Max 360c "sleeping/silent lock up" video

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Vortex for your info, a user (roaddogg?) who is experiencing the issue recently posted what escort did for the repair, ex. resoldering which was really interesting to see. I don't know if it fixed the issue though...
 

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Yeah this behavior now happens with many of Escort's newer detectors. It's not just the 360c. In Auto or AutoLoK mode, it will filter out many auto door openers in parking lots, independent of lockouts and low speed muting. If you switch to Highway mode, it will begin alerting instantly.

Given that this is happening in Highway mode, the auto door opener filtering setting isn't the issue.

Thanks for documenting and reporting the issue everyone. I know Escort has been working on this and released several firmware updates to address it. They've said it's been hard to pinpoint the source of the issue and fully resolve it. It's disappointing to hear that it's still an issue with 1.9. So it's been improved, but clearly not yet fully resolved.

Good timing too. I was planning on shooting an updated "Best Radar Detectors" video later today and so I'm sitting here thinking about this more now. The Max360c and R7 are both good detectors, but the 360c still has some of the silent sleeping / lockup type issues. The Unidens (R series, DFR series and LRD series) have also had failures with the displays and speakers that can also prevent the user from being properly alerted to a signal. So right now I'm sitting here how to best present the information. I think it ultimately comes down to giving people a full explanation of the big picture and letting them decide accordingly.
One more thing you may want to consider:
Sales numbers of the RD tested, or estimated user percentage of the market.
Say for instance, an R3 is 20% of a market, and in the same market the 360c is 5%.
Now if issues of reliability are to be taken into account it sort of has to include a "per capita" calculation.
If issues are found to be somewhat equal for compaints, but one unit has 4 times the sales, different assumptions can be made about predicted reliability.
I certainly find some brands have huge market share advantages over others, and this must bring out more complaints of popular models.
 

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Thanks for documenting and reporting the issue everyone. I know Escort has been working on this and released several firmware updates to address it. They've said it's been hard to pinpoint the source of the issue and fully resolve it. It's disappointing to hear that it's still an issue with 1.9. So it's been improved, but clearly not yet fully resolved.
Given this issue mirrors itself in both the 360 and the 360c I find it hard to believe it is anything but a firmware issue. I will say they did a good job (finally) in addressing the 'visual' lock up bug with the subsequent firmware releases. I have yet to have one 'stick'. That being said did their 'fix' addressing that issue cause the 'sleeping' issue? I can't even begin to speculate. My unit never had these issues before the big 'ivt' update. It is sad as I really do like the 360 unit. It might not have the most sensitivity but it does a great job filtering BSM's and the arrows are a huge bonus. Running my R3 while the 360 is being 'repaired' I find my neck gets a lot more use!
 

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One more thing you may want to consider:
Sales numbers of the RD tested, or estimated user percentage of the market.
Say for instance, an R3 is 20% of a market, and in the same market the 360c is 5%.
Now if issues of reliability are to be taken into account it sort of has to include a "per capita" calculation.
If issues are found to be somewhat equal for compaints, but one unit has 4 times the sales, different assumptions can be made about predicted reliability.
I certainly find some brands have huge market share advantages over others, and this must bring out more complaints of popular models.
Yeah that's a good point. How prevalent are these issues? Forums are a place where we tend to see more issues in general. Very few people join a forum to say "Man my ABC is working perfectly!" :p Usually they join for support so it's important to keep that in mind when looking at forum reports.

To be honest, I think I've heard more issues with Uniden reliability than I have Escort. I think people tend to jump on the anti-Escort bandwagon in general and give Uniden more slack, but if we're going to advise people against the Max360c, I think we should treat the R7 and R3 the same too.

I'm sitting here staring at a recall notice for my Audi. The cover trim for the wheel arches could become loose and fall off while driving. That's a potential safety issue too (realistically even more dangerous than a RD that stops alerting for a bit) and they are taking care to help resolve the issue.

It sucks, but most everything is going to have issues at some point.
 

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Yeah that's a good point. How prevalent are these issues? Forums are a place where we tend to see more issues in general. Very few people join a forum to say "Man my ABC is working perfectly!" :p Usually they join for support so it's important to keep that in mind when looking at forum reports.

To be honest, I think I've heard more issues with Uniden reliability than I have Escort. I think people tend to jump on the anti-Escort bandwagon in general and give Uniden more slack, but if we're going to advise people against the Max360c, I think we should treat the R7 and R3 the same too.

I'm sitting here staring at a recall notice for my Audi. The cover trim for the wheel arches could become loose and fall off while driving. That's a potential safety issue too (realistically even more dangerous than a RD that stops alerting for a bit) and they are taking care to help resolve the issue.

It sucks, but most everything is going to have issues at some point.
I agree, forums are where people come to complain, not to praise (typically).

I had two R3's fail, but it was obvious and replaced. The 360 series issues does not present itself unless you are paying attention and know what to look for as symptoms. It does not give you an error code either. If you look at the unit it looks to be working perfectly, when in reality is has completely failed. If 'eagle eyed' members did not report this issue I think a lot of us would not be looking for it and constantly testing for it....and finding it present.

It would be nice if everything was 100%, but that will never be the case. Look at app updates, they come every week for the same app to fix bugs.

One of my fleet vehicles had a safety recall for the straps holding up fuel tank - potential for it to fail and fall to the ground - I took it in and they said they would not touch it because it had a skid plate and they were only advised to work on non-skid plate ones as those will hit the road - mine would just fall onto the pate (eye roll).

I think people have been giving Uniden grief here and there for issues, but their issues are not all the same. They tend to have random quality build issues which can easily be fixed in a matter of days with a new unit. Unfortunately Escort seems to be unable to fix the silent lock up issue with returned units, which to me is a greater concern.
 

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Good day!! I feel your pain.....2 yrs ago my Max 360 would freeze & lockup & Escort did nothing to help me resolve the issues. I sold it & bought a Radenso XP & later Uniden R1. The Cobra DP 360 is my daily driver & 3 months....no problems & outstanding performance!! Yesterday the Auto Lo K was a blessing to silence a Acura SUV that was within 2 car lengths near me on an interstate highway. My guess is the more features that are added to these R/L detectors; the more things can & sometimes do malfunction. Added w/other devices (cell phones/on board GPS/DVD players/BT headsets/rain sensing wipers/BSM/anti-collision systems/lane assist) that may cause interference. Radenso & Uniden do not freeze or lockup & notify the driver of radar presence in time to slow down & avoid a LEO warning or citation. I just don't understand why Escort can't "reverse engineer" their competitors products & solve this problem that projects an ugly shadow upon a great company!!
Given that they have the same parent corp and I've read that the Cobra GT 360 shares the same internals as the Max 360, would it still be a reliable alternative to the Escort?
Or is the real difference, and maybe the cause of these sleeping/silent lockups the Max's firmware, which I assume is different from the Cobra's? The GT360 has a DSP, but does it use Escort's IVT filter?

edit: meant Cobra DualPro 360, but the same applies for the Beltronics GT360
 
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One more thing you may want to consider:
Sales numbers of the RD tested, or estimated user percentage of the market.
Say for instance, an R3 is 20% of a market, and in the same market the 360c is 5%.
Now if issues of reliability are to be taken into account it sort of has to include a "per capita" calculation.
If issues are found to be somewhat equal for compaints, but one unit has 4 times the sales, different assumptions can be made about predicted reliability.
I certainly find some brands have huge market share advantages over others, and this must bring out more complaints of popular models.
Its a good idea in theory but Vortex could not quantify accurately the number of sales by brand, market share, (most of have more than one unit) number of complaints and so on...
 

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I just received my Max 360c back from Escort on Friday, August 30th. The main reason I sent it in was the "sleeping/silent lock up" issue that I have had 3 times under firmware 1.9 since updating. This issue has also occurred 2 times since I received it back from being serviced this weekend. I also mentioned the increase laser false alarms under firmware 1.9. I wasn't sure where to post this video (real world videos, this new thread, or @westwind77 thread regarding his same issue with his Max 360. I have been posting a lot of my detector's issues in @westwind77 thread. Admin, feel free to move it if needed. Note: I do not use GPS lockouts (Auto Learn is off), and my detector was on Highway with K, Ka Wide both on, and I have X-band disabled, with TSR on. Also, I was not running any other detector at the same time on my trip. I put my Whistler CR97 on the windshield when I got home for this video. My wife had my R3 with her out of town. I have put over 400 miles since getting my Escort back from being serviced.

So my Max 360c had been on for at least 1 hour and 30 minutes at the start of this video. Somewhere at about maybe an Hour or so into the trip, it stopped alerting to radar. I had received a good 1.6 mile C/O 34.7 warning from a MS state trooper earlier and it had responded to several Dollar General K-band openers earlier. I became suspicious at some as I got closer to home that it was "sleeping/had a silent lock up". I passed two different LEOs in neighboring city that normally run C/O 34.7, and I received no alert. I also passed by an area with a K-band false, and I received no alert. I then saw two LEOs in my city that normally run C/O K-band or 34.7/35.5, and I received no alert. Ok, maybe all 4 off those LEOs had their radar off. It could be, but I did not think so. I then drove by 3 k-band door openers that normally set off my Max 360c, no alert visually or audibly. I then drove by a K-band speed sign that normally sets my Max 360c off, again no alert of any kind.

I came home, left my vehicle running to keep the Max 360c on, and I grabbed my Bushnell K-band (Speedster III) gun that is right at 24.090 to 24.091. I turn on the gun, and you can see just above the MPH letters it is transmitting. No alert. I tried not to point it at the Max 360c as not to "overwhelm" it, but it wasn't picking up anything anyway. I wanted to have the Bushnell on camera transmitting. After no response on my Max360c, I turned on the CR97 (I did leave the Max 360c on, because I knew once I power cycled it, it would start working again). My C97 has no problem recognizing the K-band gun. My Max 360c is still silent. I also shot a video with my cell phone as well. At 2:16 in the video, I had power cycled the Max 360c (on my cell phone and not my dash cam), and the Max 360c has no problem picking up the Bushnell. Maybe I can figure out how to merge the dash cam and cell videos. I had to drop the video quality on this video to get it to upload. Sometimes I have problems getting my dash cam videos to post, so that is why I also shot a cell phone video too. Anyway, here is my dash cam video. When my Max 360c is working properly (which is most of the time) , I really like it a lot. It has solid sensitivity and solid BSM filtering. In these last five "sleeping/silent lock ups" that I have experienced since late May, I get no warning or visual cues from my detector that lets me know that it is "sleeping/taking a break" from alerting to radar. Any comments, feedback, or suggestions are appreciated and welcome. I am thinking this is a firmware issue, but I know it is not happening to everyone with this platform, so I really I am not sure if it could also be a hardware issue too. I have had two sleeping and silent lock ups since getting my detector back from Escort from being serviced for this issue and being "repaired". Normally, it would just be every 4 weeks or so, and I have never had them ("sleeping/silent lock ups") on back to back days. At least I haven't had any laser false alarms since getting my detector back. I shot the video in my garage, and I put garbage bags in my car just for privacy purposes....lol.

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@EscortRadar, please help him. Some of us appreciate your post the other day. This customer here, wants to use your products. Wants to like your products, is not using these real issues as a excuse to troll ER. Get him new unit, and take this one, out in CEO or head engineer cars and ask them to accidentally drive +10 over the speed limit. See how they like the feeling of not being able to trust their tool. I get it, it can be hard to have a unit like this in a lab and spend whatever time it takes to figure this out. Do that anyway.

Also, interview @RoadDogg carefully about the vehicle and it’s environment, exact driving geo locations in case something external is affecting this platform. Something is up. Too many people who are not trolls and dislike your company are having issues. Suck it up, and get this resolved.
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I just received my Max 360c back from Escort on Friday, August 30th. The main reason I sent it in was the "sleeping/silent lock up" issue that I have had 3 times under firmware 1.9 since updating. This issue has also occurred 2 times since I received it back from being serviced this weekend. I also mentioned the increase laser false alarms under firmware 1.9. I wasn't sure where to post this video (real world videos, this new thread, or @westwind77 thread regarding his same issue with his Max 360. I have been posting a lot of my detector's issues in @westwind77 thread. Admin, feel free to move it if needed. Note: I do not use GPS lockouts (Auto Learn is off), and my detector was on Highway with K, Ka Wide both on, and I have X-band disabled, with TSR on. Also, I was not running any other detector at the same time on my trip. I put my Whistler CR97 on the windshield when I got home for this video. My wife had my R3 with her out of town. I have put over 400 miles since getting my Escort back from being serviced.

So my Max 360c had been on for at least 1 hour and 30 minutes at the start of this video. Somewhere at about maybe an Hour or so into the trip, it stopped alerting to radar. I had received a good 1.6 mile C/O 34.7 warning from a MS state trooper earlier and it had responded to several Dollar General K-band openers earlier. I became suspicious at some as I got closer to home that it was "sleeping/had a silent lock up". I passed two different LEOs in neighboring city that normally run C/O 34.7, and I received no alert. I also passed by an area with a K-band false, and I received no alert. I then saw two LEOs in my city that normally run C/O K-band or 34.7/35.5, and I received no alert. Ok, maybe all 4 off those LEOs had their radar off. It could be, but I did not think so. I then drove by 3 k-band door openers that normally set off my Max 360c, no alert visually or audibly. I then drove by a K-band speed sign that normally sets my Max 360c off, again no alert of any kind.

I came home, left my vehicle running to keep the Max 360c on, and I grabbed my Bushnell K-band (Speedster III) gun that is right at 24.090 to 24.091. I turn on the gun, and you can see just above the MPH letters it is transmitting. No alert. I tried not to point it at the Max 360c as not to "overwhelm" it, but it wasn't picking up anything anyway. I wanted to have the Bushnell on camera transmitting. After no response on my Max360c, I turned on the CR97 (I did leave the Max 360c on, because I knew once I power cycled it, it would start working again). My C97 has no problem recognizing the K-band gun. My Max 360c is still silent. I also shot a video with my cell phone as well. At 2:16 in the video, I had power cycled the Max 360c (on my cell phone and not my dash cam), and the Max 360c has no problem picking up the Bushnell. Maybe I can figure out how to merge the dash cam and cell videos. I had to drop the video quality on this video to get it to upload. Sometimes I have problems getting my dash cam videos to post, so that is why I also shot a cell phone video too. Anyway, here is my dash cam video. When my Max 360c is working properly (which is most of the time) , I really like it a lot. It has solid sensitivity and solid BSM filtering. In these last five "sleeping/silent lock ups" that I have experienced since late May, I get no warning or visual cues from my detector that lets me know that it is "sleeping/taking a break" from alerting to radar. Any comments, feedback, or suggestions are appreciated and welcome. I am thinking this is a firmware issue, but I know it is not happening to everyone with this platform, so I really I am not sure if it could also be a hardware issue too. I have had two sleeping and silent lock ups since getting my detector back from Escort from being serviced for this issue and being "repaired". Normally, it would just be every 4 weeks or so, and I have never had them ("sleeping/silent lock ups") on back to back days. At least I haven't had any laser false alarms since getting my detector back. I shot the video in my garage, and I put garbage bags in my car just for privacy purposes....lol.

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Just asking what is with the black blankets? Also, looks like you repowered the Bushnell at one point, the 360 also came alive? When I test with the Bushnell I don’t get readings of 30mph on its display, or whatever like you did pointing the gun at a fixed object inside the vehicle. I understand you could be moving it, not holding stable enough. Still, I don’t think I hold mine stable enough either.
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Yeah that's a good point. How prevalent are these issues? Forums are a place where we tend to see more issues in general. Very few people join a forum to say "Man my ABC is working perfectly!" :p Usually they join for support so it's important to keep that in mind when looking at forum reports.

To be honest, I think I've heard more issues with Uniden reliability than I have Escort. I think people tend to jump on the anti-Escort bandwagon in general and give Uniden more slack, but if we're going to advise people against the Max360c, I think we should treat the R7 and R3 the same too.

I'm sitting here staring at a recall notice for my Audi. The cover trim for the wheel arches could become loose and fall off while driving. That's a potential safety issue too (realistically even more dangerous than a RD that stops alerting for a bit) and they are taking care to help resolve the issue.

It sucks, but most everything is going to have issues at some point.
Amen.. Thank you.

We should be equal opportunity supporter or critic, as needed, no matter personal preference for a brand. Better yet, get the personal preference thing out of ones mind (not talking feature preferences. Taking side one brand over another). We all have temptations to do this.
 
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Yeah that's a good point. How prevalent are these issues? Forums are a place where we tend to see more issues in general. Very few people join a forum to say "Man my ABC is working perfectly!" :p Usually they join for support so it's important to keep that in mind when looking at forum reports.

To be honest, I think I've heard more issues with Uniden reliability than I have Escort. I think people tend to jump on the anti-Escort bandwagon in general and give Uniden more slack, but if we're going to advise people against the Max360c, I think we should treat the R7 and R3 the same too.

I'm sitting here staring at a recall notice for my Audi. The cover trim for the wheel arches could become loose and fall off while driving. That's a potential safety issue too (realistically even more dangerous than a RD that stops alerting for a bit) and they are taking care to help resolve the issue.

It sucks, but most everything is going to have issues at some point.
Yes The Unidens break and have issues, but at least you know they are broken and can not be relied on when that happens.

When a 650 dollar detector is on and the scanning bars are moving back and forth I expect that thing to be protecting me, then I pass a cop and get a huge fine and it is GG for me.

I really want to like to Max 360c, I even considered getting one for testing and because it has blue tooth to pair to my phone/sena, I even used to recommend people the 360c but I can not anymore in good faith do that anymore.

The scariest part is that Escort could probably push an update for the detector to un an internal check every so often and display an error if not detecting, but they know damn wall that would make their detectors look bad to the average consumer that just drives around and thinks their detector is working perfectly and they would get more warranty claims.
 

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Sorry for the hassle guys, when you are a large established company and have market share your motivation to quickly fix issues probably isn't as big of a priority for other companies.

For you tech guys, with there wifi capability on some units, and there whole connected thinking, is it possible at some point rather than physically sending units in for repair they can connect in remotely to analyze and maybe repair?
 
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Given what has been reported lately if I were Vortex I would pull my recommendation until this is straightened out. At least with the prior lock up bug you saw and heard it and knew to reset the unit, not with this one though!
I never have and never will trust the Max platform in any iteration. The debacle launch in May of 2013 started things off on the wrong foot and then it went downhill quickly with vdeos of the Max alerting 34.7 to blue jeans, X band falsing when it was cold, the lockup bug etc etc etc. Escort's inability to fix let alone acknowledge that there is a problem with these units is troubling. Crud, the only solution I can come up with is to power cycle the unit every 30 minutes.
 

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Thanks for sharing your experience with the Max, didn't know the history but do now. When you mentioned “escorts inability to fix let alone acknowledge” are you referring to the Max our todays troubles with some 360/360c ?
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
That's great news! Thanks for checking back in.

Can you share what the issue was?
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
Excellent news. I'm really enjoying my 360c in the family car. The autolockouts and BSM filtering is top notch. Really looking forward to the lockup fix. Thank you for the update!
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
This is great news. The current reported problems with the max 360c was the reason why I was holding off on purchasing it. Plus, my current Max IIs with the newest ivt filters have been absolute beasts against bsms. It doesnt even false to Hondas! If the new firmware updates fix the problems with the max360c I would seriously consider buying one! Thanks for the response.
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
THANK YOU!!! And when you say all "360" portable detectors, I take it that also includes the Beltronics GT-360 and the Cobra variant that recently came out, in addition to the Escort 360 & 360C?
 

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THANK YOU!!! And when you say all "360" portable detectors, I take it that also includes the Beltronics GT-360 and the Cobra variant that recently came out, in addition to the Escort 360 & 360C?
I'm curious about the DP 360 as well. I spoke with the Escort Techs about 10 days ago, and they "thought" the DP 360 had the latest software out the gate. So far with one month of use, I've had no lockups, no rear false alerts, nor any false laser alerts.
 

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In the next day or two we will be releasing new firmware for all "360" portable detectors which should address this, false rear radar alerts, and false laser alerts.
Thank you! Although personally, out of the inventory below, No one who has used them have ever had a lockout. I carry a Stalker, or Bushnell when I use one. Never a problem.

Question: will the fix for the rear antenna, and lockup, and laser false hurt any alert performance? Don’t want to see that. Same for the fantastic BSM capability (while still keeping good K band legit alerts coming at good distances)?

I guess I should ask if there will be improvements to range.

One more question... you have a bunch of RL EX fans in here. They/we are a frustrated bunch. What is up with the EX? Dead duck, or some magic coming? If you are not aware of what is reported on the EX on RDF, have a search. You will see generally people wanting to like the device, like the design, build heft, Mount, features, MRXX, and stealth. It needs help work BSM, range, and MRXX range and false alert problems.
 

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I did not know we had an Escort rep in these forums. Cool stuff!

Now if I can only convince Adaptiv to join in....
 

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