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Why did you do this?

I think you realize that the reaction from most of these group leads is the opposite of what you expect.

This move is very upsetting, and there will be feedback.
 

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Why did you do this?

I think you realize that the reaction from most of these group leads is the opposite of what you expect.

This move is very upsetting, and there will be feedback.
Nah it's the minority that didn't like the move. And totally expected but we wanted to try to save it.

Clearly that's not happening so we're just wiping. You really can't satisfy everyone and this is the best way to ensure this problem won't come up again the to Future when inevitably a plug-in in breaks or the developer stops developing.

This is a countermeasure forum and that's what we're going to be focused on.
 

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... this is the best way to ensure this problem won't come up again the to Future when inevitably a plug-in in breaks or the developer stops developing.
Yikes, this was the issue? Reminds me of when I setup MythstreamTV with a Hauppauge video capture card so that I could watch Giants games when I was in grad school (the Slingbox was still a year or two away from being released). It was never really officially supported, and when it was it was supported poorly, and it seems like I spent as much time tinkering with the damn thing than as I did watching games. I became afraid to update my MythTV package because it seemed like every time I did, it would break MythstreamTV, so I'd wait until I had time to tinker before doing it (which of course is a security issue if any of those updates are to fix exploits). Annoying as hell and I certainly sympathize with those working the technical side on the back end. If we only ever use stuff that's supported by XF natively, we won't have problems like this.
 
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Yikes, this was the issue? Reminds me of when I setup MythstreamTV with a Hauppauge video capture card so that I could watch Giants games when I was in grad school (the Slingbox was still a year or two away from being released). It was never really officially supported, and when it was it was supported poorly, and it seems like I spent as much time tinkering with the damn thing than as I did watching games. I became afraid to update my MythTV package because it seemed like every time I did, it would break MythstreamTV, so I'd wait until I had time to tinker before doing it (which of course is a security issue if any of those updates are to fix exploits). Annoying as hell and I certainly sympathize with those working the technical side on the back end. If we only ever use stuff that's supported by XF natively, we won't have problems like this.
Yeah that's why I tried to use the opt in method as that's naively supported.

In any case I dropped hints here and there are a few people knew we were having issues with the plug-in.

It's throwing server errors throughout the day and the solution is not simple. Problem occurred after the move and I'm not really sure why it didn't surface before on the old server when XYD ran it. We literally copied the VM image lol

In any case it's preventing us from making a second server change so this of why it has to go.
 

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Yeah that's why I tried to use the opt in method as that's naively supported.
That was a good choice. Some may have panicked that some groups were public, and I was only a member of a small number of groups, but while the V1 group was selective on membership, others like the firearms group were not. Elevated (even just Beginner+) Opt-in leveraging baked-in functionality was almost the same for the most part, kept things out of public indexers, and kept disinterested parties’ feeds free of stuff they didn’t want or need. Why the wailing and gnashing of teeth I’ll never understand.
 

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I have a solution that may please everyone.

Dedicate RDT to off topic stuff...eg a place for this CM community members to continue talking about all things non CM?
 

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I have a solution that may please everyone.

Dedicate RDT to off topic stuff...eg a place for this CM community members to continue talking about all things non CM?
@InsipidMonkey was talking about "alternate servers" too Announcement - All social groups to be discontinued

Looks like you both had the same idea. Well, or you could have alternate servers at different URLs too, like firearms.socialgroups.rdforum.org, computers.socialgroups.rdforum.org, etc., and all RDF admins would do is provide the DNS delegation to a new NS for that subdomain, and whoever runs that server would have to provide the NS server for the subdomain and the server itself. The admins could always "pull the plug" by revoking the delegation to that nameserver since they control *.rdforum.org There would probably have to be a requirement to use an alternate password on any of these additional servers though, since they may not be as security conscious as the main site and we wouldn't want any possibility of passwords being stolen and used here in any case.
 

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I am just now seeing this. I posted some very private things in the firearms group. Is that group still public or has it been deleted?
 

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You have to "Opt in" and be Ind or Adv , but its still here (for now).
 

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It says “rejected” now lol

So there. Take that. Lol
 

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I am just now seeing this. I posted some very private things in the firearms group. Is that group still public or has it been deleted?
It is an opt in public group, but all of these groups are going to be deleted...
 

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Yeah that's why I tried to use the opt in method as that's naively supported.

In any case I dropped hints here and there are a few people knew we were having issues with the plug-in.

It's throwing server errors throughout the day and the solution is not simple. Problem occurred after the move and I'm not really sure why it didn't surface before on the old server when XYD ran it. We literally copied the VM image lol

In any case it's preventing us from making a second server change so this of why it has to go.
Maybe different hardware? I remember when I was in Middle school I installed AVG on the computer and copied the files to my flash drive (the school computers weren't protected well) so I could plug it into a myriad of computers but without the registry keys, it was buggy and after I pulled the flash drive, sometimes some machines held onto entries because it modified the registry when I plugged it in.

Or when I upgraded to an i7 with the Nvidia Dell motherboard. Everything was different except for the hard drive. Shouldn't have worked as well as it did but I'm not complaining!
 

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I personally would like nuclear warheads but I would settle for surface to air and surface to ground missiles. I am definitely a man of compromise. :)
I bet if you had McNukes the IRS would act differently.
 

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Maybe different hardware? I remember when I was in Middle school I installed AVG on the computer and copied the files to my flash drive (the school computers weren't protected well) so I could plug it into a myriad of computers but without the registry keys, it was buggy and after I pulled the flash drive, sometimes some machines held onto entries because it modified the registry when I plugged it in.

Or when I upgraded to an i7 with the Nvidia Dell motherboard. Everything was different except for the hard drive. Shouldn't have worked as well as it did but I'm not complaining!
If the type of hardware is affecting how a XF plugin runs, what does that say about that software?
 

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If the type of hardware is affecting how a XF plugin runs, what does that say about that software?
Weird thing is that the whole server is a VM. I have no idea why it's having all these issues. But the transfer broke a lot of other things as well.

A lot of these errors started appearing before we even started to make changes. A lot of plugins made by TH started throwing errors the moment we were live. Then we started getting errors from XF market system. Then the social groups problems emerged. I'll be honest, we were going to get rid of a lot of those groups since they were unused and not relevant to this forum. But I was going to keep the v1, christian, education and firearms groups alive to name a couple.

We hadn't even made changes to the forum at this point so it was just weird.
 

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Weird thing is that the whole server is a VM. I have no idea why it's having all these issues. But the transfer broke a lot of other things as well.

A lot of these errors started appearing before we even started to make changes. A lot of plugins made by TH started throwing errors the moment we were live. Then we started getting errors from XF market system. Then the social groups problems emerged. I'll be honest, we were going to get rid of a lot of those groups since they were unused and not relevant to this forum. But I was going to keep the v1, christian, education and firearms groups alive to name a couple.

We hadn't even made changes to the forum at this point so it was just weird.
I remember there being a post about a change in available RAM. If it's a VM, shouldn't that have been configurable in the VM settings and if so, how did that get changed? I'm assuming you copied the entire VM, disk images, configuration files, and all.
 

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Yeah we had to change the RAM allocation as the original server had more RAM than the new one. When it got copied over, it was adjusted to use less RAM, but the web server was still configured to use more causing the error.
 

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