Uniden R1/R3 better BSM filtering when?

[Widgets]

Ever since I purchased my Uniden R3 I have had nothing but alert after alert on K band. I have to give Uniden credit the KA band detection is extraordinary and never falses. Eventually, I started fiddling with K Narrow and updating to the 1.50v firmware which adds K block. This was only a bandaid on the problem, yes it did shut up most of the Acura and honda alerts but I was still getting a ton of GM/Mazda falses. It feels like I'm constantly playing wack a mole because I live on the border of Oregon and Washington so I have to cover a diverse set of speed enforcement. I totally get it that Uniden is focusing on the R7 right now and trickling down to the R3 but I would really like to see more improvement on the BSM side of things. Obviously, the developers at Uniden are working super duper hard right (and I am very grateful) now but it's just a thing that has been bugging me since I purchased my R3.

 

[firstsage]

Ever since I purchased my Uniden R3 I have had nothing but alert after alert on K band.I totally get it that Uniden is focusing on the R7 right now and trickling down to the R3 but I would really like to see more improvement on the BSM side of things. Obviously, the developers at Uniden are working super duper hard right (and I am very grateful) now but it's just a thing that has been bugging me since I purchased my R3.

I need to drive with my R3 more often. I normally have my R7 running. I do get K falses, but I live where K is not very prevalent, so its not as much of an issue. When I travel to other states where K is utilized more, it does increase the pucker factor when you go full tilt on K band as you are passing someone.....
+1 for getting some better BSM filtering

 

[oversteer325]

Like you said the R7 will get priority. Uniden has stated with the K Block release that their long term plan to bring BSM advancements down to the R1/3 platform. I’d say that once we see the R7 firmware with additional filtering we can start the countdown clock for it to come to the R1/3.

 

[venom690]

Try these settings:

K block: On
Advanced 30%(up to 50_%)
TSF: On
K block: On
Quiet ride :50 mph

 

[Widgets]

Try these settings:

K block: On
Advanced 30%(up to 50_%)
TSF: On
K block: On
Quiet ride :50 mph

first off why TSF on?
second how much warning do I get if K sensitivity is set to 50%

 

[doubledge]

TSF will help with k band falses. You should get plenty of range with k band set to 50% but play with those settings to find your sweet spot. Start at something higher like 70% and see if it helps. I run my R7 at 70% for k band with tsf on , k filter on and in wide mode. I don’t t see too many falses.

 

[hiddencam]

first off why TSF on?
second how much warning do I get if K sensitivity is set to 50%

Here are the results that @dchemist and I got using his low-powered Decatur Scout (7mW). Not too much of a haircut to the R1's range using K50% or City mode compared to Highway mode. The gun was angled across the road about 15 to 20 degrees if memory serves me correctly. It was a rural course; the thread is at the bottom of this post if you want to check out all the details and watch the videos.

We want to do another test with the more tricky Falcon HR or Raptor RP-1 (both use a Microstrip Patch Antenna Array).

R7 vs Others; K-Band Testing April 6, 2019

So @dchemist and I met up yesterday for some R7 low-power K-band testing with his Decatur Scout (7mW). We used it on a short rural course with a slight curve and a treeline that obscured direct line of sight from the gun to the furthest detection zone about 1/2 a mile away. The kill zone was...

www.rdforum.org

 

[lageass]

Better filters can lead to misjudgement, no warning when dangerous signals are encountered, and a ticket will be received. This happens in both ESCORT and V1 in China. 9A number DFR3 also received many fines.
What I hope is that careful filters will not lead to danger.

 

[87GN]

Here are the results that @dchemist and I got using his low-powered Decatur Scout (7mW). Not too much of a haircut to the R1's range using K50% or City mode compared to Highway mode. The gun was angled across the road about 15 to 20 degrees if memory serves me correctly. It was a rural course; the thread is at the bottom of this post if you want to check out all the details and watch the videos.

We want to do another test with the more tricky Falcon HR or Raptor RP-1 (both use a Microstrip Patch Antenna Array).

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R7 vs Others; K-Band Testing April 6, 2019

So @dchemist and I met up yesterday for some R7 low-power K-band testing with his Decatur Scout (7mW). We used it on a short rural course with a slight curve and a treeline that obscured direct line of sight from the gun to the furthest detection zone about 1/2 a mile away. The kill zone was...

www.rdforum.org

Love the pointer fingers and thanks for pulling the info! I run K wide, K filter and highway mode. To many damn Sheriffs and a few local towns still run K band. Not going to get burned by a local yokal!

 

[DC Fluid]

first off why TSF on?
second how much warning do I get if K sensitivity is set to 50%

This seems to be repeating over and over in multiple threads.
In summary, there is very little penalty for running all the filters. The R7 with Adv K band @ 30% is more sensitive than every other detector brand at 100%.
So your warnings will still be best in class for K-band 30% all filters on.

 

[hiddencam]

One thing is certain; It's great to have options!

Uniden gave us so much sensitivity with the R-series that it has drawn complaints from the get-go! Pretty funny when you think about that, but also kinda frustrating when the same issue comes up time and again.

Reign that monster in if all that raw sensitivity is driving you batty. They give us a few ways to do it (k filter, % sensitivity, narrow, TSF, K block) without much of a penalty.

But for R1/3/7 users complaining about K falses, all I can say is that it's easy to change settings on the fly according to the need. Just learn to understand what and when city/adv30-50/Hwy is there for.

 

[Tallyho]

This seems to be repeating over and over in multiple threads.
In summary, there is very little penalty for running all the filters. The R7 with Adv K band @ 30% is more sensitive than every other detector brand at 100%.
So your warnings will still be best in class for K-band 30% all filters on.

Well you violated my Number 1 rule which is that claims about sensitivity not only need to be backed by proper and consistent testing but that such testing must be referenced in order for those claims to be validated.

There's far too much mythology and cultism about range without empirical evidence from some quarters around here.

So where is this hard evidence?

I'll pose the same question to @DChiJEllis since he made the exact same uncorroborated claim the other day and it could be snowballing into a housewives tale at this point, subject to verification of course.

 

[oversteer325]

Well you violated my Number 1 rule which is that claims about sensitivity not only need to be backed by proper and consistent testing but that such testing must be referenced in order for those claims to be validated.

There's far too much mythology and cultism about range without empirical evidence from some quarters around here.

So where is this hard evidence?

I'll pose the same question to @DChiJEllis since he made the exact same uncorroborated claim the other day and it could be snowballing into a housewives tale at this point, subject to verification of course.

I think these claims are coming from this test.
TXCTG - R7 K=30%, V1, Max 360, K-Band Testing #3 (plus R3 FW 1.50 K=50% on K band and a 34.7 run for all) - Van Alstyne - 07-27-2019

 

[Run4donut]

As it stands now the R3 is seriously lacking in the filtering department. If your first action is to reach for the mute button when the detector alerts to K. That is a sign of a detector that cried wolf too many times. I go about 1000+ false hits from BSM before I encounter real K band. I already locked out fixed locations and put it in City mode with quiet ride included. There is just too much damn pollution on K band that I can't rely on this detector to give me useful information.

 

[Widgets]

I think vortex said a while ago that car companies will be moving to a different band instead of K band by 2020 or something. If this is true I'm sure radar detector companies will catch and hopefully we will rid the world of K band falses

 

[DC Fluid]

Well you violated my Number 1 rule which is that claims about sensitivity not only need to be backed by proper and consistent testing but that such testing must be referenced in order for those claims to be validated.

There's far too much mythology and cultism about range without empirical evidence from some quarters around here.

So where is this hard evidence?

I'll pose the same question to @DChiJEllis since he made the exact same uncorroborated claim the other day and it could be snowballing into a housewives tale at this point, subject to verification of course.

Well excuuuuse me.
The test above was one, and others here and other sites have done similar scenerios with R7 vs other top tier detectors, sometimes for different reasons but showing similar results.
I'm on vacation operating on Cdn mobile phone roaming in USA.
Please forgive the lack of surfing for references. So sorry.

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SWITCHED FROM MAX 360 TO THE R7 - the K 24.1 is killing me

This thread the OP has similar issues and has received advice....

 

[dchemist]

Better filters can lead to misjudgement, no warning when dangerous signals are encountered, and a ticket will be received. This happens in both ESCORT and V1 in China. 9A number DFR3 also received many fines.
What I hope is that careful filters will not lead to danger.

Is this due to Redflex, MRCD/MRCT, or something similar with China's automated systems? Here the Radenso systems (RC-M and Pro-M) are reported to handle those threats better but I have no personal experience.

I know many say that the notice from Unidens are too short to save you and V1 only picks them up when all the filters are off.

I should get back on topic to the OP but it might be worth trying some Radenso/Genevo products for your particular situation.

 

[Tallyho]

I think these claims are coming from this test.
TXCTG - R7 K=30%, V1, Max 360, K-Band Testing #3 (plus R3 FW 1.50 K=50% on K band and a 34.7 run for all) - Van Alstyne - 07-27-2019

Well excuuuuse me.
The test above was one, and others here and other sites have done similar scenerios with R7 vs other top tier detectors, sometimes for different reasons but showing similar results.
I'm on vacation operating on Cdn mobile phone roaming in USA.
Please forgive the lack of surfing for references. So sorry.

Thanks for the link, oversteer. Maybe there's another one instead?

Lest anyone think this helps make the case, it invalidates the claim made by DCFluid. Which is why it's important to check your sources before tossing around claims that have so far turned out to be false.

We correctly get all bent out of shape over "brand bashing" but "brand favoritism" can be equally problematic and sometimes more hidden.

 

[oversteer325]

Thanks for the link, oversteer. Maybe there's another one instead?

Lest anyone think this helps make the case, it invalidates the claim made by DCFluid. Which is why it's important to check your sources before tossing around claims that have so far turned out to be false.

We correctly get all bent out of shape over "brand bashing" but "brand favoritism" can be equally problematic and sometimes more hidden.

I’m not trying to prove or disprove anything. I just saw this test had the R7 at 30% with all filters on so I thought the link was relevant.

 

[DChiJEllis]

I think these claims are coming from this test.
TXCTG - R7 K=30%, V1, Max 360, K-Band Testing #3 (plus R3 FW 1.50 K=50% on K band and a 34.7 run for all) - Van Alstyne - 07-27-2019

@Tallyho
Correct. This is the test I'm referencing. But it is just one test. I've had nothing but positives running my R3 and R7 at less than 100% (80, 70, 60, 50 and 30) with K Filter and TSF on, K Block on for the R7 and my Q-Ride set to 60 mph. I've only confirmed one agency around me running K Band so I feel that my settings are appropriate for my area. The OP in the other post was having trouble with K Band falses and wanted to know why he should run a $600 detector at less than its full capabilities. The answer is that the R7 IS more sensitive and therefore will false more so you have to dial the senstivity back if you want fewer falses. Or he was just looking for an excuse to go back to a Max360. Either way, I gave him my opinion. and I'll go back and structure my response to the other post as such.