SWITCHED FROM MAX 360 TO THE R7 - the K 24.1 is killing me

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I run a MAX360 in my work M-F DD vehicle. And I have (had?) a MAX II in my weekend car. Just ran a new R7 in some dense highway and local traffic yesterday with good results compared to the others. With 100% on K band using K Block and K Filter, I didn't get nearly as many BSM hits as expected. And the few I did get were low signal levels usually around 1 on the meter. Ka band is what I really wanted to improve, and although it's early yet (for me) I believe it will pay off.

Here is the saving grace for those BSM hits...Use a custom alert tone that doesn't smash you over the head. This is where others like Escort and even Radenso fall short. With the R7 you can pick the alert tones that are enough to get your attention, but not grate on your nerves. But that Ka whistle alert does a fine job of alerting you at a good volume! So you can balance this out to gain the extra Ka range without going nuts. To me it's worth that extra range.

The level of customization on the R7 is a wonderful thing. I can't wait for Auto-Lockouts. That will top it off. Give some of those custom settings a try. Good stuff!

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A consistent barrage of falses at the same frequency sounds like it might be coming from the OPs own car. It wouldn’t be the first time.

I don’t experience the same thing as described.
 

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K block was designed to filter out Honda and GM vehicles which transmitted at 24.199+- and it worked wonders. All of a sudden, car makers including Ford, Mazda and Jeep came out with BSM systems transmitting all over the K band spectrum so there is no way Uniden can block the new vehicles.

More information is needed here....does your car have a BSM system and if so, what frequency is it transmitting at? When you are getting these K band alerts, are they front or rear? I drive in heavily congested northern NJ and the R7 provides enough settings/options to make K band alerts bearable while still providing more than adequate range for real LEO encounters.
I drive a 2016 Audi Q5 no BSM
80% of K 12.121 is from the rear
Appreciate your help
 

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I guess I don't understand why I paid 600 for a super detector to turn down the sensitivity to 70 percent or below
Its like your mother buying you a stereo graduation and then telling you to lower the volume
You see what I don't get
Perhaps Uniden should make an R7 mini with arrows and 50 sensitivity and sell it at $399
Because the sensitivity in KA band (where most police activity is) is nearly double the max 360. The R7 is a monster, but you can dial it in to your liking. The Max 360 is balanced, but you can't turn up the range on KA band.
 

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Perhaps Uniden should make an R7 mini with arrows and 50 sensitivity and sell it at $399
I've been real happy with my Max 360c that I got when I couldn't get my new R7 to boot.

Unless your driving style requires max range, the 360 is certainly good enough and is very quiet as you know. I figured with the 360 it would be effective until the next round of detectors came along with more than incremental improvements and I would then buy a replacement. The R7 is a great unit but doesn't sound like the one for you either.
 

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One thing to add is that the 360c has auto lockouts and the R7 does not. That can also make a difference. You can always return it if it does not suit your needs well. Out of the box, the R7 is a chatty radar detector because of it's sensitivity.
 

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A consistent barrage of falses at the same frequency sounds like it might be coming from the OPs own car. It wouldn’t be the first time.
That is a plausible scenario as the specific frequency and consistent rear alert (huh huh, he said "rear") point to an in-vehicle source. It could also be a defective R7 that is going batsquat on 24.121. My suggestion would be to use the detector in a different vehicle and see what happens. Keep cell phones, dash cams, GPS units etc out of the vehicle and see if the R7 does the same thing.
 

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I guess I don't understand why I paid 600 for a super detector to turn down the sensitivity to 70 percent or below
Because an R7 at 30% is still better at K Band than many detectors out there at higher sensitivity rating based on one test. Because on Ka band it's superior than anything else out there. Uniden provides the option of changing the sensitive because the North American market is big and people have different environments than you. I've had good success at running my R3 and my R7 at 80% down to 30% sensitivity, with K Filter on, TSF both off and on, K Block on for the R7 and Q-ride set to 60mph. Those are settings that work for me as I only have one agency around me that I've confirmed runs K band and I only pass through that area on a highway. Your settings will vary based on your area. But there are enough tools that Uniden gives you in the settings to partially or mostly solve your issue.
 
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It is not fair to shame Uniden for doing what it is supposed to do best,which is to detect radar!
Why is that? It's perfectly fair to call out Uniden or any other manufacturer for their lack of advanced filtering on K band in today's driving environment.

With superior detection comes the responsibility for superior filtering. They have delivered on one side of the equation and not the other so it's not only fair, it would be unfair not to acknowledge what they have achieved side-by-side with what they haven't achieved.

However, it is also fair to acknowledge that no one manufacturer has cracked this nut yet. You can have range or you can have filtering, but you can't currently have both in the K band world. It's why the holy grail of "range" ain't the same as what it used to be and not the only measure of a great detector for everyone.
 

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As a saying says, you can't satisfy everyone. Get what's best suited for you and not others. But always make sure you have done your part by knowing the settings that's best for you before you throw the towel. You can't go wrong with the 360C. You will still have enough time to get down to PSL with it. Both the R7 and 360C is not immune to speeding tickets. Different folks different strokes.
 

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Why is that? It's perfectly fair to call out Uniden or any other manufacturer for their lack of advanced filtering on K band in today's driving environment.

With superior detection comes the responsibility for superior filtering. They have delivered on one side of the equation and not the other so it's not only fair, it would be unfair not to acknowledge what they have achieved side-by-side with what they haven't achieved.

However, it is also fair to acknowledge that no one manufacturer has cracked this nut yet. You can have range or you can have filtering, but you can't currently have both in the K band world. It's why the holy grail of "range" ain't the same as what it used to be and not the only measure of a great detector for everyone.
Trying to filter K band is like trying to shield yourself from rainbrops during a hurricane using a totes umbrella. It can't be effectively done. We wanted exteme range and and arrows and Uniden delivered. Despite a K notch filter, K narrow, Quiet Ride, the ability to dial down K band sensitivity etc, K band filtering remains a challenge. There is no getting around the fact that certain car manufacturers, may a plauge be upon their house, have installed BSM systems that transmit smack dab in the middle of K band frequency. That is nt the fualt of Uniden, rather, car manufacturers. Hopefully one of us will be able to challnenge a K band ticket on the baisis that K band BSM pollution was the source of the officer's reading, not their rardar gun. Until then, and as always, K band came from Satan;s anus.
 

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Why is that? It's perfectly fair to call out Uniden or any other manufacturer for their lack of advanced filtering on K band in today's driving environment.

With superior detection comes the responsibility for superior filtering. They have delivered on one side of the equation and not the other so it's not only fair, it would be unfair not to acknowledge what they have achieved side-by-side with what they haven't achieved.

However, it is also fair to acknowledge that no one manufacturer has cracked this nut yet. You can have range or you can have filtering, but you can't currently have both in the K band world. It's why the holy grail of "range" ain't the same as what it used to be and not the only measure of a great detector for everyone.
You can elect to have superior filtering on the R7 and it will be quiet as a church mouse.

use the following settings:

City Mode.
TSF on.
K block on.
K Narrow (or wide)
K filter on

I guarantee you that it will probably beep once every 60 minutes on busy interstates and just for 3 seconds or so.

Now you want the full range of the R7 on K band AND awesome filtering..that is not going to happen.Unfortunately. the garbage K band that cars spew out is K band ! there is no magic wand theory here, Uniden can go and block every single possible car k band false and guess what ? the police may just be using that frequency around the corner.I do not understand what is so hard to understand about this concept.BSM is K band radar ! every filter you put on to reduce false alerts is effectively reducing the range of the detector and is effectiveness.There is just no way around it,

Instead we should be mad about car manufactureres polluting all of the K band spectrum by basically making each car with BSM a K band mobile radar gun.

If I drive around with my Golden Eagle KA band 35.5 Dash unit around and trigger your detector, would you consider that a false alert? I mean I will drive by you and drive your detector crazy, you will then look out the window and see a black honda civic.You may consider that a false alert but I do have a police radar mounted on my car spewing KA band out so how is it a false alert? because I do not have a badge and a gun and a ticket book handy? now Imagine every 1 out of every 10 cars started driving around with a KA band Dash unit, would it be Uniden;s fault that it would go off all the time ?

Uniden gave you the filters to turn on, use them! use the filters above and I guarantee you that your "falses" will diminish to a comfortable level, just do not complain when your R7 does not detect the cop 3 miles away from you.

Then when you go out on a highway with low traffic turn it on to highway mode and enjoy superior range than any other detector out there.
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Trying to filter K band is like trying to shield yourself from rainbrops during a hurricane using a totes umbrella. It can't be effectively done. We wanted exteme range and and arrows and Uniden delivered. Despite a K notch filter, K narrow, Quiet Ride, the ability to dial down K band sensitivity etc, K band filtering remains a challenge. There is no getting around the fact that certain car manufacturers, may a plauge be upon their house, have installed BSM systems that transmit smack dab in the middle of K band frequency. That is nt the fualt of Uniden, rather, car manufacturers. Hopefully one of us will be able to challnenge a K band ticket on the baisis that K band BSM pollution was the source of the officer's reading, not their rardar gun. Until then, and as always, K band came from Satan;s anus.
I theorize about this too, even on the radar's cert course it says that another source of radar on the same frequency can make the officer get the wrong reading.Modern Radar units can often identify interference but there is a chance.

I noticed while driving around that the KA dash unti would sometimes display "interference" .

I can only imagine that with the amount of BSM going on it could interfiere with police radar which is why police radar moved away from K band long ago and was given the exclusive KA band range.

I wonder how that would hold off in court.
 
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Because an R7 at 30% is still better at K Band than anything else out there. Because on Ka band it's superior than anything else out there. Uniden provides the option of changing the sensitive because the North American market is big and people have different environments than you.
Ok well said and thank you
 

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Trying to filter K band is like trying to shield yourself from rainbrops during a hurricane using a totes umbrella. It can't be effectively done. We wanted exteme range and and arrows and Uniden delivered. Despite a K notch filter, K narrow, Quiet Ride, the ability to dial down K band sensitivity etc, K band filtering remains a challenge. There is no getting around the fact that certain car manufacturers, may a plauge be upon their house, have installed BSM systems that transmit smack dab in the middle of K band frequency. That is nt the fualt of Uniden, rather, car manufacturers. Hopefully one of us will be able to challnenge a K band ticket on the baisis that K band BSM pollution was the source of the officer's reading, not their rardar gun. Until then, and as always, K band came from Satan;s anus.
Don't blame any manufacturers for making devices that transmit within the frequencies as dictated to them by regulators.
Blame the government regulators for not being considerate of the operation of your radar detectors....
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You can elect to have superior filtering on the R7 and it will be quiet as a church mouse.

use the following settings:

City Mode.
TSF on.
K block on.
K Narrow (or wide)
K filter on
Pretty much exactly the settings I use and my R7 rarely falses on K as well (quiet ride set to 25). I do set the K alert tone to one of the "softer" options since K band is sparsely used around me so still most K alerts when they do sound are non-threats. I find the range on city for K band along with minimal falsing a nice balance (so few that I don't ignore them) while still getting super Ka range.
 

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K block was designed to filter out Honda and GM vehicles which transmitted at 24.199+- and it worked wonders. All of a sudden, car makers including Ford, Mazda and Jeep came out with BSM systems transmitting all over the K band spectrum so there is no way Uniden can block the new vehicles.

More information is needed here....does your car have a BSM system and if so, what frequency is it transmitting at? When you are getting these K band alerts, are they front or rear? I drive in heavily congested northern NJ and the R7 provides enough settings/options to make K band alerts bearable while still providing more than adequate range for real LEO encounters.

I drive an Audi 2016 Q5 with no BSM
My settings are:


Sensitivity Mode: Highway
GPS: On
Voice: On
Ka Frequency Voice: On
X Band: On (south Jersey)
K Band: On
K POP: ON

Ka POP: ON
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
MRCD: off
K Filter: On
K Block: On

Ka Filter: On
TSF: On
Ka Mode: Wide
Priority: Ka Priority
Mute Mem: X, K
Threat: All Threat On
Auto Mute: On
Auto Mute Volume: 2
Quite Ride: 35mph


I guess I'll kick the K down to 50 or 60 %

and Segment the Ka 2,4,5,6,8

thanks
 

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I drive an Audi 2016 Q5 with no BSM
My settings are:


Sensitivity Mode: Highway
GPS: On
Voice: On
Ka Frequency Voice: On
X Band: On (south Jersey)
K Band: On
K POP: ON

Ka POP: ON
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
MRCD: off
K Filter: On
K Block: On

Ka Filter: On
TSF: On
Ka Mode: Wide
Priority: Ka Priority
Mute Mem: X, K
Threat: All Threat On
Auto Mute: On
Auto Mute Volume: 2
Quite Ride: 35mph


I guess I'll kick the K down to 50 or 60 %

and Segment the Ka 2,4,5,6,8

thanks
the R7s Highway mode is reserved for when you are out in the woods on some mountain road and you need the absolute most sensitivity there is in case Smokey is waiting for you around the corner.

Anywhere where you are near a town or metropolitan area Highway mode will just not do.

Highway mode: out in the middle of nowhere,take off TSF k filter and K block if you want to make the detector mad sensitive, may help if a sheriff in an old impala is hidding by the local rodeo.

Advanced mode: This is your "anywhere but the middle of nowhere" mode.Decrease sensitivity until false alerts diminish to an acceptable level. at 30% it is about as sensitive as the V1 and the Max 360.Some tests show that at least 60% is needed to defeat the low power budget K band radar dash unit known as Stalker Patrol that some small towns and cities like dues to it's price.

Advanced is what you want to run when on a rural road with traffic or around towns.

City mode: This is the mode I use on the interstate in Florida because troopers do not use K band (at least that I have seen) . it is basically K band at 17% at 17% it is probably comparable to the Max city mode.It will save you from a constant on trap, maybe not instants.It is the mode you set when you are confident K band is not a huge threat but you rather not turn it completely off.

Hope it helps.
 

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the R7s Highway mode is reserved for when you are out in the woods on some mountain road and you need the absolute most sensitivity there is in case Smokey is waiting for you around the corner.

Anywhere where you are near a town or metropolitan area Highway mode will just not do.

Highway mode: out in the middle of nowhere,take off TSF k filter and K block if you want to make the detector mad sensitive, may help if a sheriff in an old impala is hidding by the local rodeo.

Advanced mode: This is your "anywhere but the middle of nowhere" mode.Decrease sensitivity until false alerts diminish to an acceptable level. at 30% it is about as sensitive as the V1 and the Max 360.Some tests show that at least 60% is needed to defeat the low power budget K band radar dash unit known as Stalker Patrol that some small towns and cities like dues to it's price.

Advanced is what you want to run when on a rural road with traffic or around towns.

City mode: This is the mode I use on the interstate in Florida because troopers do not use K band (at least that I have seen) . it is basically K band at 17% at 17% it is probably comparable to the Max city mode.It will save you from a constant on trap, maybe not instants.It is the mode you set when you are confident K band is not a huge threat but you rather not turn it completely off.

Hope it helps.
I honestly never dreamed of running a R7 on City Mode

I’m not questioning or doubting you
I just thought that city mode was intended for driving in Manhattan down broadway at 42nd steet
Much appreciate the heads up and reality check
 

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I honestly never dreamed of running a R7 on City Mode

I’m not questioning or doubting you
I just thought that city mode was intended for driving in Manhattan down broadway at 42nd steet
Much appreciate the heads up and reality check
Check this test out:

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In your area I would run advanced K band 40 to 50%
 
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I drive an Audi 2016 Q5 with no BSM
My settings are:


Sensitivity Mode: Highway
GPS: On
Voice: On
Ka Frequency Voice: On
X Band: On (south Jersey)
K Band: On
K POP: ON

Ka POP: ON
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
MRCD: off
K Filter: On
K Block: On

Ka Filter: On
TSF: On
Ka Mode: Wide
Priority: Ka Priority
Mute Mem: X, K
Threat: All Threat On
Auto Mute: On
Auto Mute Volume: 2
Quite Ride: 35mph


I guess I'll kick the K down to 50 or 60 %

and Segment the Ka 2,4,5,6,8

thanks
You may want turn POP off for K and Ka band, increase quiet ride to 55 mph and go with dark mode with green arrow. With quiet ride, you will only get 2 muted beeps on initial alert and there is a threshold time in such a way you that you may not get another 2 muted alerts when another signal is detected.. But you have to pay attention to the screen - the display will flash when an alert is detected. If you want your R7 quieter, you have to rely on your display instead of audio alerts. It's a matter of training and getting used to new habits the non traditional way. You also have to play on the K band sensitivity settings to your liking and start with 50% and go down - play around with it . The R7 is not like a point and shoot camera but it gives the end user sooo many options.
 

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