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Congrats! You win a free next gen V1. Please wait 2-3 weeks for delivery
The question is what does 2 weeks mean? It has been "2 weeks" regularly since April 2019 per Valentine employees. I don't think anyone at this point thinks anything other that in 2 weeks from now it will still be 2 weeks again (then repeat). They would have been better off saying late year 2019 or early 2020 back in April rather than lead customers along month after month and let frustration and speculation go wild for so long.

Waiting on "parts" and now months later "parts" are on a "boat" someplace in the ocean for weeks between china and here (maybe a sailboat going at 1 knot?). At this point is it more likely Radanso has developed and produced it's top secret new flagship available with an api and all the built in features many users want added to the Valentine1 in the same time valentine is trying to get a volume knob made? Many current V1 users are fine with the current feature set and capabilities and a long wait and out of stock are of no concern and that's great. Don't get me wrong I am hoping the long wait is going to bring about some desired enhancements but the whole way info on this "out of stock" has been communicated by Valentine is about as poor a job that I have seen from any vendor of any product. I know people say Mike does everything for a reason but after half a year of "two weeks" and vague and/or varying generic responses to customer questions on things depending on the day and who answers the phone along with what time of the month it is and add in now reported "parking lot conversations" and "drive by reports" it just seems to be an very odd way to run a business with basically one single product to support/sell. What is gained by stringing potential customers along and allowing speculation to run wild? Particularly if it does return at some point with little or no changes.
 

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The question is what does 2 weeks mean? It has been "2 weeks" regularly since April 2019 per Valentine employees. I don't think anyone at this point thinks anything other that in 2 weeks from now it will still be 2 weeks again (then repeat). They would have been better off saying late year 2019 or early 2020 back in April rather than lead customers along month after month and let frustration and speculation go wild for so long.

Waiting on "parts" and now months later "parts" are on a "boat" someplace in the ocean for weeks between china and here (maybe a sailboat going at 1 knot?). At this point is it more likely Radanso has developed and produced it's top secret new flagship available with an api and all the built in features many users want added to the Valentine1 in the same time valentine is trying to get a volume knob made? Many current V1 users are fine with the current feature set and capabilities and a long wait and out of stock are of no concern and that's great. Don't get me wrong I am hoping the long wait is going to bring about some desired enhancements but the whole way info on this "out of stock" has been communicated by Valentine is about as poor a job that I have seen from any vendor of any product. I know people say Mike does everything for a reason but after half a year of "two weeks" and vague and/or varying generic responses to customer questions on things depending on the day and who answers the phone along with what time of the month it is and add in now reported "parking lot conversations" and "drive by reports" it just seems to be an very odd way to run a business with basically one single product to support/sell. What is gained by stringing potential customers along and allowing speculation to run wild? Particularly if it does return at some point with little or no changes.


Read the Website again, it does NOT say out of stock, its says "Temporarily out of stock"! It does not say "Never to return" IE a new model is coming the V2. It doesn't say to be replaced by an updated V1. It simply says Temporarily out of stock most likely meaning when they do a production run of current model V1s, IT WILL BE BACK IN STOCK.

Now having thought about that, Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest answer is usually the correct answer barring any real evidence to the contrary. I really feel many dreams are going to get busted when the current V1 is back in stock and most likely with a the only new thing is, a new higher retail price.
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The question is what does 2 weeks mean? It has been "2 weeks" regularly since April 2019 per Valentine employees. I don't think anyone at this point thinks anything other that in 2 weeks from now it will still be 2 weeks again (then repeat). They would have been better off saying late year 2019 or early 2020 back in April rather than lead customers along month after month and let frustration and speculation go wild for so long.

Waiting on "parts" and now months later "parts" are on a "boat" someplace in the ocean for weeks between china and here (maybe a sailboat going at 1 knot?). At this point is it more likely Radanso has developed and produced it's top secret new flagship available with an api and all the built in features many users want added to the Valentine1 in the same time valentine is trying to get a volume knob made? Many current V1 users are fine with the current feature set and capabilities and a long wait and out of stock are of no concern and that's great. Don't get me wrong I am hoping the long wait is going to bring about some desired enhancements but the whole way info on this "out of stock" has been communicated by Valentine is about as poor a job that I have seen from any vendor of any product. I know people say Mike does everything for a reason but after half a year of "two weeks" and vague and/or varying generic responses to customer questions on things depending on the day and who answers the phone along with what time of the month it is and add in now reported "parking lot conversations" and "drive by reports" it just seems to be an very odd way to run a business with basically one single product to support/sell. What is gained by stringing potential customers along and allowing speculation to run wild? Particularly if it does return at some point with little or no changes.
Well "two weeks" is also a joke used for delayed timelines so maybe they have been trolling everyone from the start.
 

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Read the Website again, it does NOT say out of stock, its says "Temporarily out of stock"! It does not say "Never to return" IE a new model is coming the V2. It doesn't say to be replaced by an updated V1. It simply says Temporarily out of stock most likely meaning when they do a production run of current model V1s, IT WILL BE BACK IN STOCK.

Now having thought about that, Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest answer is usually the correct answer barring any real evidence to the contrary. I really feel many dreams are going to get busted when the current V1 is back in stock and most likely with a the only new thing is, a new higher retail price.
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It's also possible that temporary is as accurate as the "2 weeks" and it may never be in stock and they are just trying to clear out accessories in the meantime. The only real evidence we know for sure is that Valentine has told many people wildly inaccurate time periods as to when any product will likely be available and every "estimate" seems at best wishful thinking on their part rather than just saying they have no idea or and it may be end of year or longer but they hope it will be less. Better to set expectations low and exceed them than set them so far off and repeat that process a dozen times. It's also not unreasonable to begin to doubt things after so much time has passed and with the info that was relayed and continues to be said each month by Valentine starting last April. The boat from china taking weeks or is it now over a month to arrive seems odd as well. All freighters are tracked these days and there is little reason not to know when it should arrive at it's destination provided it doesn't capsize or get pirated.

Anyway, it provides people lots of time to try to speculate what is going on and what may or may not be in the works. Expectations were running a wide range earlier but over time it seems most are lowering theirs down to what you say of basically the same unit as before the product outage but I think there will be some small update with all the free time they have the past six months. Can't imagine they have been just sitting idle but that's just more speculation.
 

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FWIW, they were not saying "two weeks" in April, May, June, or July of 2019. Two weeks is a newer thing.
It's almost certainly not a knob that they are waiting for, but highly likely at least a dual potentiometer of the proper size and quality.

We don't know how the trade agreements are interfering with parts that now are coming from China instead of their previous manufacturer. As Jon at Radenso has pointed out many times, Radar Detector manufacturers don't have the volume of business that gives them a great deal of clout with manufacturers. They don't buy enough product to skip ahead in line of smaller companies. They are the smaller companies that larger companies get to skip ahead of.

Part of what many people are frustrated at V1 for; repeatedly giving false dates might very well be exactly what V1 is experiencing from their manufacturers. If they are working with new manufacturers and don't have a good relationship built up yet, there could be all sorts of false starts and delayed delivery times. Logistics as a business is not flowers and rainbows.

Just some things to think about. :)
 

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FWIW, they were not saying "two weeks" in April, May, June, or July of 2019. Two weeks is a newer thing.
It's almost certainly not a knob that they are waiting for, but highly likely at least a dual potentiometer of the proper size and quality.

We don't know how the trade agreements are interfering with parts that now are coming from China instead of their previous manufacturer. As Jon at Radenso has pointed out many times, Radar Detector manufacturers don't have the volume of business that gives them a great deal of clout with manufacturers. They don't buy enough product to skip ahead in line of smaller companies. They are the smaller companies that larger companies get to skip ahead of.

Part of what many people are frustrated at V1 for; repeatedly giving false dates might very well be exactly what V1 is experiencing from their manufacturers. If they are working with new manufacturers and don't have a good relationship built up yet, there could be all sorts of false starts and delayed delivery times. Logistics as a business is not flowers and rainbows.

Just some things to think about. :)
Read the Website again, it does NOT say out of stock, its says "Temporarily out of stock"! It does not say "Never to return" IE a new model is coming the V2. It doesn't say to be replaced by an updated V1. It simply says Temporarily out of stock most likely meaning when they do a production run of current model V1s, IT WILL BE BACK IN STOCK.

Now having thought about that, Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest answer is usually the correct answer barring any real evidence to the contrary. I really feel many dreams are going to get busted when the current V1 is back in stock and most likely with a the only new thing is, a new higher retail price.
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@Transporter & @BlueV1 , please stop with the sensible posts here! This thread, and those whose RDF history is defined by it dont care. This post is strictly intended for silliness and speculation based on personal feelings and biases about MV, V1, Area51, .... You are setting yourselves up for two week bans....
 

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FWIW, they were not saying "two weeks" in April, May, June, or July of 2019. Two weeks is a newer thing.
It's almost certainly not a knob that they are waiting for, but highly likely at least a dual potentiometer of the proper size and quality.

We don't know how the trade agreements are interfering with parts that now are coming from China instead of their previous manufacturer. As Jon at Radenso has pointed out many times, Radar Detector manufacturers don't have the volume of business that gives them a great deal of clout with manufacturers. They don't buy enough product to skip ahead in line of smaller companies. They are the smaller companies that larger companies get to skip ahead of.

Part of what many people are frustrated at V1 for; repeatedly giving false dates might very well be exactly what V1 is experiencing from their manufacturers. If they are working with new manufacturers and don't have a good relationship built up yet, there could be all sorts of false starts and delayed delivery times. Logistics as a business is not flowers and rainbows.

Just some things to think about. :)
I agree VR is getting bad Intel from new manufacturer causing them to tip toe through the mine field of questions. I bust on them for not being upfront with customers but like everything there are 2 sides to every story and we know neither I still say new detector is coming but this is just wishful thinking from a guy who wants a new toy!!!
 

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FWIW, they were not saying "two weeks" in April, May, June, or July of 2019. Two weeks is a newer thing.
Wasn't it just two weeks ago, they started saying that.
Or was it two - two weeks ago? (Repeat as necessary)
 

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FWIW, they were not saying "two weeks" in April, May, June, or July of 2019. Two weeks is a newer thing.
It's almost certainly not a knob that they are waiting for, but highly likely at least a dual potentiometer of the proper size and quality.
This was from June {Looking at July for v1s now.} which stated the release will be within 2 weeks and I know it started a while back as I called in May and they told me June.

You're right about April. since on April 11th they were saying about a month per a post by Mathewstorm in a prior thread. He also started this current thread with "within 2 weeks" which we know now was no more accurate than the post in April. I assume he called rather than make up release eta's but only he knows.

Mike has been ordering these parts for like 2 decades so he certainly knows to have a lead time to account for unexpected delays and surely speaks to the manufactures regularly throughout the year (that seems sensible). I was more upset that I waited on a purchase for a while based on the info they told me on the phone months ago. Anyway, I gave up a while back and have been using the R7 for a couple months now and will check back in a few weeks to see what the latest talk is and at that point will see if I want to give the v1 a second try. I didn't even know about the app for it when I bought my first one although that in late 2012.

I know some revere Mike like the "Messiah" and as such believe everything he does or does not do should be without criticism or question and objectivity can go out the window. He has accomplished a lot but this whole thing with lack of info, rolling dates and no product for half a year is a bit extreme to defend.
 

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It has been "2 weeks" regularly since April 2019 per Valentine employees.
No, it hasn’t.

This was from June {Looking at July for v1s now.} which stated the release will be within 2 weeks
No, it didn’t. Saying that they’re hoping for “sometime next month” is not the same thing as “two weeks.”

If you don’t understand the difference between sticking to facts and claiming VR isn’t allowed to be criticized, then that explains a lot.
 

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Forget 2 weeks... How about 400 something for the past God knows how long. Just saying no firm date with a price that could fluctuate $99.99. I like VR but not a good look.....
 

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I can see how Valentine (the company) can be less than ideal as a business according to some parameters. I can see how they might be making mistakes in the way they handle certain issues.

What I can't do is take anyone else's word for it when I've not seen it for myself. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon without knowing the qualifications of the bandwagon's driver. There's already way too many armchair quarterbacks on the internet. :)

To my knowledge, VR has not revealed all of the details of this situation. In some people's opinion, that's smart business sense even if it frustrates some of us on RDF.
 

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I know some revere Mike like the "Messiah" and as such believe everything he does or does not do should be without criticism or question and objectivity can go out the window.
Certainly not me. It is literally his business to do as he sees fit. History shows us that he couldn't care less about RDF.
He just makes a detector that has done its job well for me for decades, and with the help of JB is doing it better than ever. And I happen to think better than anything else on the market.
 
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Forget 2 weeks... How about 400 something for the past God knows how long. Just saying no firm date with a price that could fluctuate $99.99. I like VR but not a good look.....
If they bring back a new stock of current V1’s at $449-499 for the exact same detector that was for sale earlier this year. I will absolutely not purchase one. On top of that having to buy a separate Bluetooth dongle, having to find / buy a android to run JBV1 etc because I have such a outdated model V1.. It will far surpass the cost of flagships from the other big names that have a lot of that stuff built in. Guess I’ll have some thinking to do. It wouldn’t as big of a deal if I had a newer model V1 i would most likely just be happy with that.
 

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@Mauserguy27, You might have the wrong idea of the relationship to JBV1 and V1 age. Here's how I view it:

JBV1 was not intended to make up for lesser filtering in older V1's. To support this; (as far as we know ->) firmware versions 3.894 from late 2015, 3.8945 from early 2016, and 3.8952 from 2017 are all functionally equivalent. The difference between 3.894 and 3.8945 is that "Junk-K fighter" is on by default in the newer release. Version 3.8952 indicates minor internal changes, but supposedly adds nothing above 3.894 or 3.8945. (These changes allow the 34.7 range to be defined in one sweep instead of two though.)

A 3.893 TMF1 unit will have less TMF capabilities than a 3.894+ TMF2 unit, but as I'm saying, JBV1 isn't designed for that scenario. JBV1 does other things than what the V1 does natively. TMF2 currently does a substantial amount of filtering.

Your 3.863 unit (which I'd guess is 10-13 years old and can't use JBV1, or any app) has no TMF features at all. For many, upgrading from TMF1 to TMF2 would be worth the upgrade price alone. I would bet that you'd appreciate all that TMF2 can do if you tried it as well.

Consider this; (Since you've had your 3.863 unit a little over "two weeks" :p )
What would you get from any top-tier detector of that age from any manufacturer? It's easy to look at the rarely changed exterior of the V1s and assume that they are all the same. But as you have already seen, there have been a lot of changes over the years.

If you decide to try another brand and enjoy it more, that's great! I'm suggesting that it would be unfair to compare your 10-13 year old V1 with a current unit. :) That's almost half the life of the first V1's from 1992 and to put that in perspective; that might be like running an iPhone 3 or 4 today.

I hope that helps!!!
 

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