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Let me ask you this then. The new Radenso should also have an open API and johnboy has already stated that he plans on adding support for any other detectors that offer an open API like the V1.

So if the new Radenso has JBV1 support like the V1 and can also do everything the V1 can do, but better, plus it offers even more useful features, what would be the rationale behind staying with the V1?

If you’re used to the V1 and are comfortable with the it, I can certainly understand that, but is there something more? Ultimately it doesn't matter to me which detector a person runs. I just want them to enjoy the experience. If the V1 makes you happy, that's awesome. I'm just curious about the thought process behind the decision. :)
I agree with you except for one thing. Your comment appears to assume that the Vx stays static and does not advance significantly from where it is today. We will see soon as time rolls on beyond “two weeks” which one takes the cake.
 

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@LouG and @BlueV1 I don't want to bicker. This is really stupid. Let's just enjoy ourselves and move on. My bad for being a dick or offensive.

Looking through this thread I seem to have jumped into a pre-existing convo and may have added some fuel to the fire. We may not agree, but I think some, very much including my own, of our thoughts/opinions are a little misguided.
 

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The characterization that anyone needs to be convinced to give Radenso a chance with this new product before we've seen more that a written concept might be unnecessary. If it's a good product, it will stand on it's own merits. :)
I like the skepticism. This industry has made a ton of money but disappointed a lot of people keeping the public chasing carrots. Promises of new and improved while, in reality, performance and user experience has degraded in one way or another over the years.

Everyone is forced to compromise...….give up this to get that or just wait for the next firmware update and the promise will finally be fulfilled.

I really do understand fellas like LouG . Uncompromising traditionalist. Perhaps he's a carry over from the old days like me that grew up in the golden era when there was just X & K and Cincinatti Microwave. It really never will get better than that for some of us and the V1 is still the closest thing in the gene pool.

I'd like to say right now the V1 is a known quantity (and it is if you own one) but we'll have to wait and see and evaluate it again when production resumes.

As for Radenso's AI "technology" being the wave of the future; we're not there yet. The last wagon I jumped on taught me that trust and optimism, if given too freely, greases the skids for yet another product a manufacturer wants to sell but not one that we want to buy. The compromises far outweighed any perceived benefits.

Given, the landscape has changed over the years requiring new approaches to solve new problems. But at the end of the day it's not about AI.....DSP.....IVT....TSR.....or Junk Fighter. It's simply about beeping or brapping at only legitimate sources and pointing in the right direction (from as far away as possible). :p When I see it do that (without any new compromises) then I'll be all interested in how it does it.
 
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To hopefully put this idea to bed and move on; Even LouG, who has very specific needs in his area and has a strong fondness for his V1 has embraced change just like the rest of us. In various discussions, he is not dead set on only what he already has, etc. He is expressing his thoughts at this moment in time.

The "V1 zombie" is dead...
Those of us that use apps with our V1's are on the cutting edge in a lot of ways and many of us enjoy the flood of information we are given with these apps. It's not "too complicated" to people like us. We prefer guages in our cars as opposed to "idiot lights".
We have more situational awareness than a screen on a detector can provide and we are enjoying frequently updated filtering and new features nearly every other week. If we have a problem, the fix is almost always a PM away. No one else has that kind of response yet; but I hope it becomes the norm.

Having said that, If there's truly an actually better mousetrap, people will give it a chance. :)

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I'm not so sure that "performance and user experience has been degraded over the years"? At least with V1 that is. I can totally understand folks who've gone off to try some of the new wiz-bangs with big promises feeling that way, but Imho, right here things have been pretty rock solid. And, with the advent of JBV1, things are actually getting considerably better.

Sure, BSM issues are a problem at times, but I'm pretty confident that's going to get improved upon over time. I sure hope so, but from my perspective, I haven't had a ticket since the early 80's, and have been using V1 exclusively since day one in 1992, and Escort before that. That confidence has indeed turned into a deep trust and loyalty, and I feel no vulnerability compelling enough to make a change. I fully trust that when Mike finally unveils his next upgrade, it will be well worth the wait.
 
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I can agree with every word of that @mrmagloo!

For those that might disagree with what he said, none of it probably discounts how you might currently feel about your choices. That's an important distinction that I hope everyone will embrace. :)
 

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Sure, BSM issues are a problem at times, but I'm pretty confident that's going to get improved upon over time. I sure hope so,
You're a VERY patient person. VR has let us V1 die-hards down in a massive way by not addressing the BSM issue better years ago. This combined with their lackadaisical patent chasing and 'out of stock' bullsh*t has made me quite bitter toward VR as of late.
Pretty sure I'm out of 'camp VR' with the upcoming release of the new girl.
 

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You guys bring up some great points about not rushing to be an early adopter and sticking with something tried and true. The new AI stuff definitely looks exciting, but new tech generally needs some time for refinement so ultimately I guess it’ll come down to waiting and seeing how things pan out. Once we have something tangible in our hands, we’ll be able to have a more concrete discussion. in the meantime, we’re fortunate to have a bunch of great choices. :)
 

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You're a VERY patient person. VR has let us V1 die-hards down in a massive way by not addressing the BSM issue better years ago. This combined with their lackadaisical patent chasing and 'out of stock' bullsh*t has made me quite bitter toward VR as of late.
Pretty sure I'm out of 'camp VR' with the upcoming release of the new girl.
Buz - You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I mean, if you truly feel you are currently at risk running your V1, and you really think there is a better alternative than V1/JBV1, then I totally understand your need to move. However, this forum is littered with folks who have tested the greener pastures and found things weren't as great as they thought. I too gave a passing thought of getting a R7, but after reading many the comments over there, I realized I wouldn't be happy. RD's are a sum of the total package performance, and in my opinion, V1/JBV1 still rules. I'm happy, confident, and definitely don't feel that I'm at risk.

And regarding the Out of Stock, I'd much rather have Mike take his sweet time to make sure the next gen is fully vetted and ready for prime time. Frankly, I don't care if it takes to the end of the year or longer to deliver a true game changer, if indeed that's what the mad scientist is working on behind the black curtain. The guy has got a ton of pride, and every update/upgrade over the years have proven that. Clearly, the competition is interest or even a little worried, or they wouldn't be lurking around, so that has to say something.

Cheers!
 

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Buz - You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I mean, if you truly feel you are currently at risk running your V1, and you really think there is a better alternative than V1/JBV1, then I totally understand your need to move. Cheers!
I am definitely, without a doubt, running at risk with my V1....risk of throwing the f'ing thing out the window.
If you haven't noticed, pretty much the only thing I chime in on around here is wanting better BSM filtration.(not better range or off-axis detection)
I live in a area that has been growing with K Band enforcement. There are now five known K Band guns running around my immediate area, of which I've boiled down their center frequencies (using all confirmed encounters for the last year or so) to these:
24.075*
24.100
24.125*
24.137
24.200*

Do you recognize any of those general frequencies? (especially the ones with an asterisk)
Those are common BSM frequencies that I encounter way too often.

Just yesterday I'm about to crest the top of a bridge at a few over, when I suddenly get a 24.202 medium strength. Of course I drop anchor (dangerous) only to notice an Acura SUV ahead in the lane to my right. This is just one of soooo many instances where bad BSM filtering pisses me off.
Another favorite is getting stuck behind one on roads that are difficult(and/or illegal) to pass.

Yes the V1 is tried and true. It has enough range and off axis detection for me. But if VR doesn't update/fix their BSM filter really soon, then I will gladly sacrifice that old school reliability for a new, quiet, cutting edge unit that may be a bit 'glitchy'. I'm quite sure radenso will be very proactive on fixing issues as they come up.
 
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@LouG and @BlueV1 I don't want to bicker. This is really stupid. Let's just enjoy ourselves and move on. My bad for being a dick or offensive.

Looking through this thread I seem to have jumped into a pre-existing convo and may have added some fuel to the fire. We may not agree, but I think some, very much including my own, of our thoughts/opinions are a little misguided.
I'm not offended. I'm of an age where my offence trigger is on safe, not a hair trigger.
I don't consider this bickering either.
You have your opinion, I have mine. We're both think the other's wrong, to a point.
We're both allowed.
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I like the skepticism. This industry has made a ton of money but disappointed a lot of people keeping the public chasing carrots. Promises of new and improved while, in reality, performance and user experience has degraded in one way or another over the years.

Everyone is forced to compromise...….give up this to get that or just wait for the next firmware update and the promise will finally be fulfilled.

I really do understand fellas like LouG . Uncompromising traditionalist. Perhaps he's a carry over from the old days like me that grew up in the golden era when there was just X & K and Cincinatti Microwave. It really never will get better than that for some of us and the V1 is still the closest thing in the gene pool.
Well thank you for your understanding. But I'm not a died in the wool traditionalist.
For instance, I'm a child of the 60's that loves music from the 60's and 70's. But my wife introduced me to Grunge and Indie, and that's a big chunk of my playlists now.
My detector needs have evolved with the threats, and the threats have become much more serious here since Govt's discovered how much money was on offer, Even Dog Vans (K9 to you) and commercial vehicle units have Stalkers now. But since the advent of V1 apps, I haven't seen anything that serves my needs better, in the environment that I drive, which is the crucial factor.
I originally was interested in the R series, but time changed my mind. That's the benefit of waiting, you save money.
Perhaps if I lived in some parts of the States I may think differently.
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You're a VERY patient person. VR has let us V1 die-hards down in a massive way by not addressing the BSM issue better years ago. This combined with their lackadaisical patent chasing and 'out of stock' bullsh*t has made me quite bitter toward VR as of late.
Pretty sure I'm out of 'camp VR' with the upcoming release of the new girl.
OK, that's what you're finding. But the only BSM's I ever hear are the occasional GM Commodore. We have Mazdas, Hondas too, all the usual suspects except for your other US brands.
VR being out of stock doesn't worry me in the slightest. If both my V1's died I might feel different. But what are the odds of that? (touch wood)
So I don't feel let down at all.
We all have different perspectives.

PS. I read your other post. Do you not use an app?
 
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I'm not offended. I'm of an age where my offence trigger is on safe, not a hair trigger.
I don't consider this bickering either.
You have your opinion, I have mine. We're both think the other's wrong, to a point.
We're both allowed.
I have a ton of respect for this actually. You said one thing, I was candid with my opinion, and at the end of the day that's all it is.

For anyone else, if you don't like what was said simply report it, take it to PM, or make a group chat before we go down the path of mentioning detector wars and extremists. These types of conversations don't happen in other areas of the forum, and it's not like I'm only posting here lol. Food for thought @BlueV1
 
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PS. I read your other post. Do you not use an app?
I use V1C for frequency identification only.
Stationary K falses do not bother me the way that moving BSM falses do.
I'm not aware of any app that can tell the RD to ignore BSM signals.
 

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I use V1C for frequency identification only.
Stationary K falses do not bother me the way that moving BSM falses do.
I'm not aware of any app that can tell the RD to ignore BSM signals.
JBV1 has a filter option to mute common BSM K-band frequencies.
 

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I use V1C for frequency identification only.
Stationary K falses do not bother me the way that moving BSM falses do.
I'm not aware of any app that can tell the RD to ignore BSM signals.
JBV1 has a filter option to mute common BSM K-band frequencies.
I can confirm JBV1 does a nice job muting GM and Honda BSM alerts. It looks for the signal pair from GM products (pretty safe) and temporarily mutes Honda BSMs while it determines if the signal is frequency modulated (i.e., a BSM) or not. The mute is released if the signal isn't frequency modulated, which means it could be a LEO or door opener. Of course, the door opener signals can be auto-learned and locked out. I haven't tried the new Mazda BSM option yet.
 

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JBV1 has a filter option to mute common BSM K-band frequencies.
LOL, I'm guessing you didn't read my post entirely. I have 24.075, 24.125 & 24.200 REAL guns in my town. The second I see anything around those frequencies I have to drop anchor. I have an iphone, so not sure how V1driver handles BSM, but I don't want to wait for identification/processing/signal rejection, I want a RD that doesn't alert to them in the first place.
 

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On @Buz 's point, it's not only an issue for the V1. Most detectors have a big problem with K band falses and "filtering".

On @LouG 's point, it depends a lot on your situation:

I'm lucky not to live in an area where K band is prevalent. It's here, just sparse enough that if I know it's in use, I pay more attention. Also lucky for me, it's usually used in more rural areas around here so I have to worry less about falses in those places. I use an R series because I need every bit of sensitivity for 35.5 I/O. You guys have seen my videos. Unfortunately, I'm my own BSM filter (which is also why I care about having a precise and accurate frequency display) and have to determine if it's a real signal in areas where K band is run. This would be no bueno if I were in a local where K band is prevalent like in Buz's situation, I don't think any current detector is good enough.

Considering K band for some of the better detectors....
R Series. Noisy when ran wide open and reducing sensitivity reduces range, though may quiet it down, so it's difficult to recommend for a prevalent K band area.
ProM. It's quiet but with the price that it fails at detecting certain police radar early enough.
V1. Can be quiet enough with JBV1 but if you run it with TMF on, it's the same as the ProM against certain guns.
360c. Might actually be one of the better detectors to run where K is prevalent but has it's own set of problems.

So, for those who run in an area where K band is used, and heaven forbid, I/O K band, I don't believe any current detector is good enough. Something that can do what Radenso is claiming RAI can do is truly needed.

For people in Lou's situation, V1 JBV1 is just fine
For people in my situation, R series works pretty darn well.
For people like Buz, and to counteract future threats, something like RAI is really looking hopeful.
 

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LOL, I'm guessing you didn't read my post entirely. I have 24.075, 24.125 & 24.200 REAL guns in my town. The second I see anything around those frequencies I have to drop anchor. I have an iphone, so not sure how V1driver handles BSM, but I don't want to wait for identification/processing/signal rejection, I want a RD that doesn't alert to them in the first place.
The "GM BSM" filter requires that it receive both frequencies use by the BSM system at the same time.
 

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The "GM BSM" filter requires that it receive both frequencies use by the BSM system at the same time.
Not sure what that has to do with the overwhelming number of BSM alerts I receive daily.

I would think you (being from PA) would be the number one champion for fixing this ongoing BSM issue? If radenso eliminates BSM and other K falses, then I think a Pennsylvanian would be the luckiest person alive to get their hands on this new technology. You guys are nothing but K-band!
 
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