Comparison wanted - R3 (1.37) vs R7 (current) - K band reactivity speed

westwind77

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So I had a few minutes to spare today and took some video to reference my original post:

*K & Ka settings (and the rest) were identical on both versions, MRCD was Off on 1.50*

M360 85x 1.7 vs R3 1.37
As you can see the R3 picks up the signal every time and the M360 misses it every time, unless I have longer trigger pulls (those are the times both units alert). I have a good 'trigger' feeling for how long of a pull the R3 will pick up but will still sneak by the M360. On the longer pulls you can see that both units still 'light up' almost at the exact same time.


M360 85x 1.7 vs R3 1.50
As you can see here the M360 won the quick pulls vs the R3. Now there is a delay with how long it takes the R3 to 'light up' vs the M360 when longer pulls are conducted.

*I know running 2 RD at the same time 'can' cause issues, but the delays and examples here are identical whether I am running each one separately or together for this test - just easier to give a comparison this way - as always it is highly recommended not to run 2 RD's at the same time*
 

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Switch to the heartbeat display and see if it is filtering the signal for a split second before it alerts.
 

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Switch to the heartbeat display and see if it is filtering the signal for a split second before it alerts.
Whether it does or not is moot point as you are not going to stare at the heartbeat 100% of the time you drive. The actual alert is what is key. Also you can watch the dot in dark mode instead of the heartbeat if you wish as well, same thing.
 

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@westwind77 - So you want this test with KF on and TSF off? And MRCD off? And K-block on or off on 1.50? And K wide or narrow?
 

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Whether it does or not is moot point as you are not going to stare at the heartbeat 100% of the time you drive. The actual alert is what is key. Also you can watch the dot in dark mode instead of the heartbeat if you wish as well, same thing.
It’s important if the Bushnell doesn’t look exactly like a LEO signal. It could explain why you see a delay but the tests with a real dash unit don’t show the same delay.
 

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It’s important if the Bushnell doesn’t look exactly like a LEO signal. It could explain why you see a delay but the tests with a real dash unit don’t show the same delay.
In past testing I've done with earilier fw versions, it's actually been the other way around. There was less delay with the Bushnell than a real police radar. But, it's possible that the real police radar, being more powerful, was overdriving the detector more than the Bushnell. On the bench.
 

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@westwind77 - So you want this test with KF on and TSF off? And MRCD off? And K-block on or off on 1.50? And K wide or narrow?
Yes,

K Filter: ON
TSF: OFF
MRCD: OFF
K-BLOCK: OFF
K WIDE

Thank you!
 

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The Bushnell's power output is less than half of police radar guns. It is good to test all K band gadgets but not an "ideal" test for radar detector's. Don't know if you have heard about Guy's of Lidar (GOL). They were the first group of consumer testers that I know of and I can be wrong here. But my point is that, when they do radar detector testing, they use true police radar guns. Not sport radar guns like the Bushnell. We are talking about consistencies and real world application here. Find you a true K band radar gun. They are cheap and test them that way.
 

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It’s important if the Bushnell doesn’t look exactly like a LEO signal. It could explain why you see a delay but the tests with a real dash unit don’t show the same delay.
Since 'filtering' was not improved between 1.37 and 1.50 (at least not that was publicly announced) there should be not difference in reaction timing from the same Bushnell gun. The delay should be present in 1.37 as it would be in 1.50 with your assumption. However, given there is a reaction difference between firmware versions that would indicate the delay is present due to changes in the firmware, most likely the new features. MRCD detection was the only new detection feature introduced, and one would assume with it turned off it would react the same as 1.37, but it does not. I am very interested to see how a 'real' police unit compares though.
 

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Since 'filtering' was not improved between 1.37 and 1.50 (at least not that was publicly announced) there should be not difference in reaction timing from the same Bushnell gun. The delay should be present in 1.37 as it would be in 1.50 with your assumption. However, given there is a reaction difference between firmware versions that would indicate the delay is present due to changes in the firmware, most likely the new features. MRCD detection was the only new detection feature introduced, and one would assume with it turned off it would react the same as 1.37, but it does not. I am very interested to see how a 'real' police unit compares though.

I'll be using my MPH Python II.
 

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Since 'filtering' was not improved between 1.37 and 1.50 (at least not that was publicly announced) there should be not difference in reaction timing from the same Bushnell gun. The delay should be present in 1.37 as it would be in 1.50 with your assumption. However, given there is a reaction difference between firmware versions that would indicate the delay is present due to changes in the firmware, most likely the new features. MRCD detection was the only new detection feature introduced, and one would assume with it turned off it would react the same as 1.37, but it does not. I am very interested to see how a 'real' police unit compares though.
I agree.

I really hope Uniden can figure out MRCD and true BSM filtering without using delays. Especially since new low powered K probably looks more similar to the Bushnell.

Update- I guess my last statement is wrong given the long ranges below.
 
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The Bushnell's power output is less than half of police radar guns. It is good to test all K band gadgets but not an "ideal" test for radar detector's. Don't know if you have heard about Guy's of Lidar (GOL). They were the first group of consumer testers that I know of and I can be wrong here. But my point is that, when they do radar detector testing, they use true police radar guns. Not sport radar guns like the Bushnell. We are talking about consistencies and real world application here. Find you a true K band radar gun. They are cheap and test them that way.
Less than half? I don’t know about that.

The Bushnell's are really good for testing. @hiddencam has a pictorial on how you can change the frequency with the set screw and where it is. You can dial it up and down if you like.

It may not be as good receiving signals coming back, but that’s not what we’re looking for anyway.

Even if there might be a difference in range, as long as your comparison testing is done in the same time frame, same gun position, the spread between the detectors should be the same, just maybe further back or closer in.

Many testers have used the Bushnell and had good success with them. I myself have a couple of Bushnell’s in my arsenal of Radar guns, and I have a few.

Just because it’s a sports gun, it shouldn’t be looked down upon or discredited. Most of us who have done a lot of testing don’t.

We encourage more people to start testing and really want people to grab guns like this to test for themselves. See what it’s like on the other side of the gun. Share their experiences and results with the community.

Also because they are readily available, and a lot have them, more can recreate the test and can confirm or challenge the results.

It’s a great starter gun at a very low cost.
 

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Less than half? I don’t know about that.
Check post #442. I don't have the technical info. But testing years back has told me it will not be detected by all radar detectors over a longer distance compared to true radar guns. In fact some members here who did the test can only detect the Bushnell in a max distance of 1/4 of a mile and the 3/4 of a mile from police radar guns. Will that not give you an idea of what the difference is in terms of power output?

 

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I stated comparison testing between settings and other detectors.

If it’s only flat out range maybe, but it’s still a pretty powerful gun.

There’s so many factors at play. You can’t pin a distance on any of them. Even the same gun, same detector, same time, and same course, on a different day, will have differences.

I know that because I have multiple guns and multiple detectors. And a few set courses I like to use. It’s not only limited to K band.
 

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Check post #442. I don't have the technical info. But testing years back has told me it will not be detected by all radar detectors over a longer distance compared to true radar guns. In fact some members here who did the test can only detect the Bushnell in a max distance of 1/4 of a mile and the 3/4 of a mile from police radar guns. Will that not give you an idea of what the difference is in terms of power output?

Just FYI, I've had plenty of test detections over 2 miles using the Bushnell. It all depends on the test conditions.
 

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Just FYI, I've had plenty of test detections over 2 miles using the Bushnell. It all depends on the test conditions.
I clearly understand that. Put a true radar gun in the same course, you will detect the police radar farther than a Bushnell. I am just stating that the power out of the Bushnell radar guns is not as strong as the power output of a police radar gun.
 

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@westwind77 - results are posted in intermediate. Sorry for those of you who are not yet to that level, but we have historically posted certain types of testing in elevated access forums. This is one of those types of testing.
 
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