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Quite Ride is great around town and when under a set speed, it really doesn't apply when one is actually using an RD for what it is supposed to be used for, exceeding the PSL while limiting as many tickets as possible. All bets are off above the set Quite Ride speed which if one is using common sense is below the PSL or just over it. Current solutions can only filter out so much such as how Radenso and JBV1 with TMF2 do it better than others. Again Quite Ride is NOT a BSM solution when one is well above the PSL.
Totally agree but it is an option for experienced user to make it quiet driving over PSL and still gives you good situational awareness.
 

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I have been a long time V1 user with no apps and have used Belscort RD's in the past from the X50 to the Sti. I have since move to the Uniden R3 last year and has been using it for 10 months now. I have been experimenting my K band settings for the last couple of months trying to tweak my K band sensitivity here and there, following recommendations from forum members to find the sweet spot. Where I live and work, K and Ka bands are widely used mixed with a bag of all sorts of door openers. I average about 40-50K miles a year driving mixed city and hwy. I have come to a point that the best solution to BSM false alerts is the use of "quiet ride" especially that newer vehicles are equipped with near true police radar frequencies. I am talking about suppressing K band false alerts(BSM + door openers) from crawling, stop and go, full stop, parking situations to highway speeds of 70-80 mph. You simply cannot block frequencies near police K band frequencies. I have read comments from forum members that Pro M has the best filtering when it comes to BSM but yet could not filter other BSM alerts like the Mazda's and possibly other's. Based on my limited knowledge of the Pro M, I believe that Uniden's options are far better than the Pro M. Out of the box, the Pro M wins no doubt. But when programmed correctly with an "experienced user", the R3 can match the Pro M and even better because the R3 has better situational awareness than the Pro M.

Here's a case and point.

Settings wise, the Pro M can mute K band from 10-130 mph and the R3's QR can mute K band from 5-90 mph. But here's the difference, the Pro M is all silent except when approaching a lock out area or marked area (I was never a fan of using GPS lockouts during my escort days with the IX and still do these days) but the Uniden's give you better situational awareness by warning you of a threat or false alert with 2 muted beeps followed by complete silence until another K band signal is detected. Can I accept 2 muted beep alerts? Sure can. Because when encountering real K band threats, you must to have "audio" alerts. Problem with only visual and no "audio" alerts at all times will lead to complacency. Both RD's have dark modes and I understand they both work the same. Use of dark mode IMO is the best setting. Tells you much easier when the threat is there and when it's gone without the need for looking at the details of the display. Now think about using these settings on an R7 with the arrows. It gets more impressive. As I have been getting used to the QR, I'm bumping it up to 80 mph from 55 mph. These will cover "all" BSM's at highway speeds.

Now back to BSM. I believe that there will be no 100% solution to BSM as far as filtering is concerned no matter what RD manufacturers will say. There will be more K band pollution as newer vehicles are introduced to the public. This maybe a subjective matter to some here but I believe it is the best solution for "all" K band alerts and "better situational awareness. I'm just a plain old timer RD user who enjoys what Uniden has done for us in the last couple years. I was skeptical at first of their products since it was introduced and took me years to get one but now on board. BTW, I am not paid by Uniden to post this topic. Just expressing my opinion and these settings are not for newbies because there is a learning curve.
Do you even own a Pro M?

I own a Pro M, a V1, an R1, and an R7. I have to go ahead and disagree with most of what you said. I have tried so many ways to tweak and tune these Unidens, but I can drive my 50 daily miles and get 10 false hits on a good day. With my Pro M it might not make a sound the entire day. When the Uniden alerts, I have to check all these variables to ensure it is real or maybe not, that takes a lot of reaction time away from me. When the Pro M alerts, I listen. Nice that a processor is doing some of the....processing...

When I am driving under my quiet ride threshold, I don’t need my detector bothering me. Quiet ride should be just that! Quiet! And don’t even get me started on how smart auto-city mode is, coupled with quiet ride. The Uniden requires my interaction and still won’t shut up in town! So many times I have to unplug it just to hear myself think while I am in traffic.

One thing I am tired of and disgusted with the Uniden line is first step troubleshooting is to reset and reflash. It’s not like I am installing different applications on it and changing the running parameters. What cheap nvm are they putting in these things?

There are a lot of features that I do like about the Unidens, I hope to see them integrated into more quality driven products one day. Without an app. I don’t need another level of distraction while I am driving.
 

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Do you even own a Pro M?

I own a Pro M, a V1, an R1, and an R7. I have to go ahead and disagree with most of what you said. I have tried so many ways to tweak and tune these Unidens, but I can drive my 50 daily miles and get 10 false hits on a good day. With my Pro M it might not make a sound the entire day. When the Uniden alerts, I have to check all these variables to ensure it is real or maybe not, that takes a lot of reaction time away from me. When the Pro M alerts, I listen. Nice that a processor is doing some of the....processing...

When I am driving under my quiet ride threshold, I don’t need my detector bothering me. Quiet ride should be just that! Quiet! And don’t even get me started on how smart auto-city mode is, coupled with quiet ride. The Uniden requires my interaction and still won’t shut up in town! So many times I have to unplug it just to hear myself think while I am in traffic.

One thing I am tired of and disgusted with the Uniden line is first step troubleshooting is to reset and reflash. It’s not like I am installing different applications on it and changing the running parameters. What cheap nvm are they putting in these things?

There are a lot of features that I do like about the Unidens, I hope to see them integrated into more quality driven products one day. Without an app. I don’t need another level of distraction while I am driving.
May I ask you what your R7 settings are? R1 should be set aside since it is not in the league of the Pro M, R3 and R7 - no GPS.

"The Uniden requires my interaction and still won’t shut up in town! So many times I have to unplug it just to hear myself think while I am in traffic."

Is this a fact or an exaggeration? My R3 does not require interaction. I don't need to switch from hwy mode to city/auto city modes and back to hwy mode when back on hwy. It just stays in advance mode. Bearable muted 2 beeps and silence.
 
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There is no doubt that the Pro M has better BSM filtering and I see as well understand why you settings are different aside from having different RD's. Our settings are based on 2 major factors. Preference and location/environment. If I use your settings in my environment, I'll go crazy with all those audible false alerts. The fact that your local PD does not use K band radars is a huge difference and the fact that you stated you "don't even have to turn it on K band" is a different story. Not here were K band is widely use. I don't know much about your place. But here in the US where I live and work, on top of local PD and door openers, I have to deal with county sheriffs that operate outside city limits and think about the multiplier here. In the last 8 months, I have been using QR to suppress audible false from BSM to door openers but yet give better situational awareness with some little changes in how I use and apply information I received. I'm sure each RD detector has it's own pluses and minuses. Both are very good detectors on it's own. The Pro M can do better in some areas and not do well in some areas when it comes to false audible alerts depending on setup preference. Infact last week, I did some test with lockout. I do pass this Dollar General store everyday and I know the frequency changes. So I locked it out. After several runs, location was confirmed to be locked out. No visual and no audible alerts. So I suspect that the technology used is like the Escorts. It locks out a location not by frequency but by radius. When you are in that radius and LEO operates in the radius, you are toast. I believe Pro M lockouts are the same - go by with radius in a marked location not frequency based lockout. Because I know for a fact that door frequency drifts and changes. That is why I never was a fan of lockouts specially in K band radar country.

V1 saavy? I prefer stand alone units and no apps. But that is subjective.
@Heywood did a great K Band lockout comparison in and out of the lockout radius of top end detectors.
Interesting to note that no brand had good K band warning in a lockout area of an addition threat. You had to leave the lockout radius.
 

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May I ask you what your R7 settings are? R1 should be set aside since it is not in the league of the Pro M, R3 and R7 - no GPS.

"The Uniden requires my interaction and still won’t shut up in town! So many times I have to unplug it just to hear myself think while I am in traffic."

Is this a fact or an exaggeration? My R3 does not require interaction. I don't need to switch from hwy mode to city/auto city modes and back to hwy mode when back on hwy. It just stays in advance mode.
Ok we won’t talk about the R1, but it does get subjected to the BSM on the highway and it is not pleasant. I have tried to take K down to 30% and real alerts were cutting it way too close. Like ticket notifier.

R7 K band settings, have tried quite a few things. TSF on and off, K band 30-70%, (won’t go any lower since K is real here), K notch on and off. Have settled for 70% so at least when I pass a BSM car I am not getting a full alert at full volume, and the range is enough that I can recover from a 3 bar alert that turns out to be real.

In town, the R7 is useless. Even with the quiet ride I am just constantly getting beeped at. Not exaggerating. Useless. Even I ignore the stupid thing (not just my wife), but I don’t speed in town so it doesn’t matter. Pro M I don’t even have to touch it. When I jump back on the freeway, Pro M is already hot where I sometimes forget to turn the Uniden back on.

I think the R7 has superior range, but I don’t think it is a better detector. My wife has even requested I remove the R1 and give her back the Pro M (Lol but I don’t wanna!). Again, I would like to see some aspects of the Uniden in a better brand, but I don’t think I will own anymore Uniden. Fool me once, shame on you (R1), fool me twice (R7) and apparently I am not as smart as I hoped.
 

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Ok we won’t talk about the R1, but it does get subjected to the BSM on the highway and it is not pleasant. I have tried to take K down to 30% and real alerts were cutting it way too close. Like ticket notifier.

R7 K band settings, have tried quite a few things. TSF on and off, K band 30-70%, (won’t go any lower since K is real here), K notch on and off. Have settled for 70% so at least when I pass a BSM car I am not getting a full alert at full volume, and the range is enough that I can recover from a 3 bar alert that turns out to be real.

In town, the R7 is useless. Even with the quiet ride I am just constantly getting beeped at. Not exaggerating. Useless. Even I ignore the stupid thing (not just my wife), but I don’t speed in town so it doesn’t matter. Pro M I don’t even have to touch it. When I jump back on the freeway, Pro M is already hot where I sometimes forget to turn the Uniden back on.

I think the R7 has superior range, but I don’t think it is a better detector. My wife has even requested I remove the R1 and give her back the Pro M (Lol but I don’t wanna!). Again, I would like to see some aspects of the Uniden in a better brand, but I don’t think I will own anymore Uniden. Fool me once, shame on you (R1), fool me twice (R7) and apparently I am not as smart as I hoped.
The R1 is subjected to BSM at hwy speeds because it does not have QR feature. Now try this on your R7. With a little change of our common practices using audio alerts to assess radar strength and the when to's, not to's, you can keep your R7 much quieter. It takes getting use to with this new habit or method. Keep your K band settings with TSF on, K band sensitivity to 100% and QR set to 55 mph in dark mode to start with. Every time you encounter K band, you will get 2 muted beeps followed by silence - I use default K band sound I think #2. The most distinctable sound to me but may not be for you. Only speed up when the display is blank or determine where the threat is with the arrows and check signal strength. I just don't know how the R7 behaves with QR if it is consistent on giving you a 2 muted beeps in QR mode but my R3 does well with FW 1.50. Once you form a habit of this new method, you can bump your QR settings higher. I know a number of members will disagree with me with this method but it works for me. This setting is not for everyone. Only for experienced users because you have to make right judgement calls after receiving the info from your RD. As the saying says, no RD is immuned to having a ticket.

BTW, you did not state your QR setting with your R7.
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@Heywood did a great K Band lockout comparison in and out of the lockout radius of top end detectors.
Interesting to note that no brand had good K band warning in a lockout area of an addition threat. You had to leave the lockout radius.
The solution to this is Uniden's QR feature. You get audible and visual alerts with strength meter, silence plus a little sacrifice of 2 muted beeps. In fact, I would like Uniden/@UnidenSupport to add bogey alert tones with QR feature adding increase situational awareness.
 
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Certainly not for all.
For instance, my loud motorcycle with R7 requires FULL volume setting for the helmet speakers, wind and engine noise plus molded ear plugs.
I can't see displays of any of the new detectors well in bright sun. I need full audio, distinctive alert tones, voice and frequency, and no auto mute.
No way I can hear the 2 beeps no how.
Displays are a secondary curiosity because eyes on the road or die issue with motorbikes. To Cars this should be true also for safety, the display is a secondary source of information.
Audio alerts and gieger counter type of ramp up is safest and best for detector use.
Watching a display all the time trying to figure out what it is trying to inform you of is a form of distracted driving.
Same as looking at an app on your phone screen.
Up here that will get you twice the penalty of a regular speeding ticket and can elevate to the level of an impaired or dangerous driving charge.
I'll keep the audio and Q Ride at 50 kph. Works great for me and the K threats here.
Some of you must have K Band hell to use such radical settings or hate on the R3/R7.
BTW, I will be using the Pro-M in cities the next 3 weeks on vacation as I don't know the false signals there like home.
R7 gets highway/rural use, may run it too in cities as I had great experience in Vancouver BC.
 

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Certainly not for all.
For instance, my loud motorcycle with R7 requires FULL volume setting for the helmet speakers, wind and engine noise plus molded ear plugs.
I can't see displays of any of the new detectors well in bright sun. I need full audio, distinctive alert tones, voice and frequency, and no auto mute.
No way I can hear the 2 beeps no how.
Displays are a secondary curiosity because eyes on the road or die issue with motorbikes. To Cars this should be true also for safety, the display is a secondary source of information.
Audio alerts and gieger counter type of ramp up is safest and best for detector use.
Watching a display all the time trying to figure out what it is trying to inform you of is a form of distracted driving.
Same as looking at an app on your phone screen.
Up here that will get you twice the penalty of a regular speeding ticket and can elevate to the level of an impaired or dangerous driving charge.
I'll keep the audio and Q Ride at 50 kph. Works great for me and the K threats here.
Some of you must have K Band hell to use such radical settings or hate on the R3/R7.
BTW, I will be using the Pro-M in cities the next 3 weeks on vacation as I don't know the false signals there like home.
R7 gets highway/rural use, may run it too in cities as I had great experience in Vancouver BC.
Well, riding on a motor bike is an exception. :)
 

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Yeah, I had to go with the Uniden to get the headphone audio jack, the Pro-M doesn't have one. :confused:
 

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Yeah, I had to go with the Uniden to get the headphone audio jack, the Pro-M doesn't have one. :confused:

This is where uniden and radenso could benefit from a Bluetooth. Lots of ppl saying open api. But I think it would be used by the motorcycle community more. Bluetooth connection to a Sena
 

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There is no doubt that the Pro M has better BSM filtering and I see as well understand why you settings are different aside from having different RD's. Our settings are based on 2 major factors. Preference and location/environment. If I use your settings in my environment, I'll go crazy with all those audible false alerts. The fact that your local PD does not use K band radars is a huge difference and the fact that you stated you "don't even have to turn it on K band" is a different story. Not here were K band is widely use. I don't know much about your place. But here in the US where I live and work, on top of local PD and door openers, I have to deal with county sheriffs that operate outside city limits and think about the multiplier here. In the last 8 months, I have been using QR to suppress audible false from BSM to door openers but yet give better situational awareness with some little changes in how I use and apply information I received. I'm sure each RD detector has it's own pluses and minuses. Both are very good detectors on it's own. The Pro M can do better in some areas and not do well in some areas when it comes to false audible alerts depending on setup preference. Infact last week, I did some test with lockout. I do pass this Dollar General store everyday and I know the frequency changes. So I locked it out. After several runs, location was confirmed to be locked out. No visual and no audible alerts. So I suspect that the technology used is like the Escorts. It locks out a location not by frequency but by radius. When you are in that radius and LEO operates in the radius, you are toast. I believe Pro M lockouts are the same - go by with radius in a marked location not frequency based lockout. Because I know for a fact that door frequency drifts and changes. That is why I never was a fan of lockouts specially in K band radar country.

V1 saavy? I prefer stand alone units and no apps. But that is subjective.
Great points to ponder here...for example, I am under the impression that the DFR7's lock-outs are both location based (via GPS) AND frequency based...so if I'm passing a locked out location and the RD "sees" a new frequency, it will alert Me to the new freq.
Can anyone confirm my understanding of how the Dfr7 handles the above situation?

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Great points to ponder here...for example, I am under the impression that the DFR7's lock-outs are both location based (via GPS) AND frequency based...so if I'm passing a locked out location and the RD "sees" a new frequency, it will alert Me to the new freq.
Can anyone confirm my understanding of how the Dfr7 handles the above situation?

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Not sure about specifications but R7/R3 lockout all within +/- 0.035 of the frequency locked out by user.
Depending on what that is you could miss a lot of legitimate K range.
An update from Uniden to change this to +/- 0.005 or 0.010 would be most welcome.
It would be much narrower like K block.
Fine for stationary lockouts.
 

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so if I'm passing a locked out location and the RD "sees" a new frequency, it will alert Me to the new freq.

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If the new frequency is in the allocated range(+/-.035 of true police radar frequency based on what forum members are saying) of the DFR7 in a lockout area, you will not get any alert from your detector within the lock out radius. If LEO is operating in that area and you are speeding, you are toast. I am assuming that the R3 and the DFR7 with GPS should have the same technology. Here's a good info about lock outs. Heywood's Lockout Zone/Range Testing July 22 2019
 
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If the new frequency is in the allocated range(+/-.035 of true police radar frequency based on what forum members are saying) of the DFR7 in a lockout area, you will not get any alert from your detector within the lock out radius. If LEO is operating in that area and you are speeding, you are toast. I am assuming that the R3 and the DFR7 with GPS should have the same technology. Here's a good info about lock outs. Heywood's Lockout Zone/Range Testing July 22 2019
DFR7 didn’t always carry the lockout. It was unreliable as best.

The R3 did. As long as there was a k band signal present within the .035 of the original manually locked out signal, it continued muting it.

It did see it, but it audibly kept silent.
 

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