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I have been a long time V1 user with no apps and have used Belscort RD's in the past from the X50 to the Sti. I have since move to the Uniden R3 last year and has been using it for 10 months now. I have been experimenting my K band settings for the last couple of months trying to tweak my K band sensitivity here and there, following recommendations from forum members to find the sweet spot. Where I live and work, K and Ka bands are widely used mixed with a bag of all sorts of door openers. I average about 40-50K miles a year driving mixed city and hwy. I have come to a point that the best solution to BSM false alerts is the use of "quiet ride" especially that newer vehicles are equipped with near true police radar frequencies. I am talking about suppressing K band false alerts(BSM + door openers) from crawling, stop and go, full stop, parking situations to highway speeds of 70-80 mph. You simply cannot block frequencies near police K band frequencies. I have read comments from forum members that Pro M has the best filtering when it comes to BSM but yet could not filter other BSM alerts like the Mazda's and possibly other's. Based on my limited knowledge of the Pro M, I believe that Uniden's options are far better than the Pro M. Out of the box, the Pro M wins no doubt. But when programmed correctly with an "experienced user", the R3 can match the Pro M and even better because the R3 has better situational awareness than the Pro M.

Here's a case and point.

Settings wise, the Pro M can mute K band from 10-130 mph and the R3's QR can mute K band from 5-90 mph. But here's the difference, the Pro M is all silent except when approaching a lock out area or marked area (I was never a fan of using GPS lockouts during my escort days with the IX and still do these days) but the Uniden's give you better situational awareness by warning you of a threat or false alert with 2 muted beeps followed by complete silence until another K band signal is detected. Can I accept 2 muted beep alerts? Sure can. Because when encountering real K band threats, you must to have "audio" alerts. Problem with only visual and no "audio" alerts at all times will lead to complacency. Both RD's have dark modes and I understand they both work the same. Use of dark mode IMO is the best setting. Tells you much easier when the threat is there and when it's gone without the need for looking at the details of the display. Now think about using these settings on an R7 with the arrows. It gets more impressive. As I have been getting used to the QR, I'm bumping it up to 80 mph from 55 mph. These will cover "all" BSM's at highway speeds.

Now back to BSM. I believe that there will be no 100% solution to BSM as far as filtering is concerned no matter what RD manufacturers will say. There will be more K band pollution as newer vehicles are introduced to the public. This maybe a subjective matter to some here but I believe it is the best solution for "all" K band alerts and "better situational awareness. I'm just a plain old timer RD user who enjoys what Uniden has done for us in the last couple years. I was skeptical at first of their products since it was introduced and took me years to get one but now on board. BTW, I am not paid by Uniden to post this topic. Just expressing my opinion and these settings are not for newbies because there is a learning curve.
 
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Doesn't the Pro-M feature 1-beep provide the same alert as Q-Ride 2 beep? Or only for lockout signals? You want a beep for any signal below your alert speed setting correct?
Concerned because both my R3 and R7 the Q-Ride 2 beep goes off about 20% of the time for me.
Same signals with multiple test passes and very intermittent 2 beep performance.
I don't get the Pro-M enough to test this, and my wife don't care.
 

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I believe the Pro M beeps once approaching a lockout area. So far, mine works really well with the initial detection but note that there is a time frame where after the intial alert stops and a signal is detected, the next alert is totally muted. This is within a second or 2. I don't speed up until the display is blank for 5 sec and that's why dark mode is very important and my display setting is set to brightest with K band settings to 100%. Now, I have not measured the total time threshold on this. Maybe @UnidenSupport can shed light on this. This only applies to lockout areas for the Pro M. But how about the non lockout areas? Maybe Pro M users can chime in.
 
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In 50 years, you won't have to worry about K band. LOL


"Traditionally, many of these systems used frequencies in the 24GHz band. For automotive, both a narrow band (NB) and an ultra-wide band (UWB) are currently available. The unregulated 24 GHz NB spans 200MHz, from 24.05 GHz to 24.25GHz. The 24GHz UWB spans 5GHz, from 21.65GHz to 26.65GHz.

Due to spectrum regulations and standards developed by the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) and Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the use of the UWB band will be phased out by the year 2022 (the “sunset date”) in both Europe and the U.S.

In phasing out the 24GHz UWB, the regulating authorities have opened up frequencies for automotive radar in the 77GHz band. As Figure 2 shows, the bandwidth available from 77-81GHz provides up to 4GHz of sweep bandwidth, which is much larger than the 200MHz available in the 24GHz NB."

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In 50 years, you won't have to worry about K band. LOL


"Traditionally, many of these systems used frequencies in the 24GHz band. For automotive, both a narrow band (NB) and an ultra-wide band (UWB) are currently available. The unregulated 24 GHz NB spans 200MHz, from 24.05 GHz to 24.25GHz. The 24GHz UWB spans 5GHz, from 21.65GHz to 26.65GHz.

Due to spectrum regulations and standards developed by the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) and Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the use of the UWB band will be phased out by the year 2022 (the “sunset date”) in both Europe and the U.S.

In phasing out the 24GHz UWB, the regulating authorities have opened up frequencies for automotive radar in the 77GHz band. As Figure 2 shows, the bandwidth available from 77-81GHz provides up to 4GHz of sweep bandwidth, which is much larger than the 200MHz available in the 24GHz NB."

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This will certainly help a lot.
 

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In 50 years, you won't have to worry about K band. LOL
There's a lot about speed enforcement that will change in 50 years, even if speeding is even possible.
I won't be here to see it though. :)
 

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I have been a long time V1 user with no apps and have used Belscort RD's in the past from the X50 to the Sti. I have since move to the Uniden R3 last year and has been using it for 10 months now. I have been experimenting my K band settings for the last couple of months trying to tweak my K band sensitivity here and there, following recommendations from forum members to find the sweet spot. Where I live and work, K and Ka bands are widely used mixed with a bag of all sorts of door openers. I average about 40-50K miles a year driving mixed city and hwy. I have come to a point that the best solution to BSM false alerts is the use of "quiet ride" especially that newer vehicles are equipped with near true police radar frequencies. I am talking about suppressing K band false alerts(BSM + door openers) from crawling, stop and go, full stop, parking situations to highway speeds of 70-80 mph. You simply cannot block frequencies near police K band frequencies. I have read comments from forum members that Pro M has the best filtering when it comes to BSM but yet could not filter other BSM alerts like the Mazda's and possibly other's. Based on my limited knowledge of the Pro M, I believe that Uniden's options are far better than the Pro M. Out of the box, the Pro M wins no doubt. But when programmed correctly with an "experienced user", the R3 can match the Pro M and even better because the R3 has better situational awareness than the Pro M.

Here's a case and point.

Settings wise, the Pro M can mute K band from 10-130 mph and the R3's QR can mute K band from 5-90 mph. But here's the difference, the Pro M is all silent except when approaching a lock out area or marked area (I was never a fan of using GPS lockouts during my escort days with the IX and still do these days) but the Uniden's give you better situational awareness by warning you of a threat or false alert with 2 muted beeps followed by complete silence until another K band signal is detected. Can I accept 2 muted beep alerts? Sure can. Because when encountering real K band threats, you must to have "audio" alerts. Problem with only visual and no "audio" alerts at all times will lead to complacency. Both RD's have dark modes and I understand they both work the same. Use of dark mode IMO is the best setting. Tells you much easier when the threat is there and when it's gone without the need for looking at the details of the display. Now think about using these settings on an R7 with the arrows. It gets more impressive. As I have been getting used to the QR, I'm bumping it up to 80 mph from 55 mph. These will cover "all" BSM's at highway speeds.

Now back to BSM. I believe that there will be no 100% solution to BSM as far as filtering is concerned no matter what RD manufacturers will say. There will be more K band pollution as newer vehicles are introduced to the public. This maybe a subjective matter to some here but I believe it is the best solution for "all" K band alerts and "better situational awareness. I'm just a plain old timer RD user who enjoys what Uniden has done for us in the last couple years. I was skeptical at first of their products since it was introduced and took me years to get one but now on board. BTW, I am not paid by Uniden to post this topic. Just expressing my opinion and these settings are not for newbies because there is a learning curve.

I totally disagree with u

I am a 2 year pro m used. I have lived thru every fw release. I get the odd false from bsm. There certain offenders but it’s not ever time for those offenders

I don’t need to set my “quiet ride” for a high speed. Mine is set at 20kmh so when I enter a parking lot. Those door sensors are all muted. I don’t want/need to hear audio beep alerts from them at all

So when I’m actually driving on the road where there are real threats. I get audio and visual alerts


Quiet ride is far from the answer to bsm false. Better analysis and filtering is the answer. So let’s say I up my quiet ride.

The roads I most travel on range from 50-100kmh. So if I did what u are suggesting. I should set it at 100kmh and rely on an 1-2 beep audio alert if I’m speeding in say a 50kmh zone and get hit I could have my music turned up and miss the “2 beep” alert and then get nailed because as u said the “visual” alert isn’t good enough

No. I would rather have my quiet ride set at 20 kmh and not be bothered by an audio alert in a parking lot. Have superior bsm filtering and get a full audio and visual alert when I’m in 30,40,50,60,70,80,90 kmh zone
 
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I totally disagree with u

I am a 2 year pro m used. I have lived thru every fw release. I get the odd false from bsm. There certain offenders but it’s not ever time for those offenders

I don’t need to set my “quiet ride” for a high speed. Mine is set at 20kmh so when I enter a parking lot. Those door sensors are all muted. I don’t want/need to hear audio beep alerts from them at all

So when I’m actually driving on the road where there are real threats. I get audio and visual alerts


Quiet ride is far from the answer to bsm false. Better analysis and filtering is the answer. So let’s say I up my quiet ride.

The roads I most travel on range from 50-100kmh. So if I did what u are suggesting. I should set it at 100kmh abs rely on an 1-2 beep audio alert if I’m speeding in say a 50kmh zone and get hit I could have my music turned up and miss the “2 beep” alert and then get nailed because as u said the “visual” alert isn’t good enough

No. I would rather have my quiet ride set at 20 kmh and not be bothered by an audio alert in a parking lot. Have superior bsm filtering and get a full audio and visual alert when I’m in 30,40,50,60,70,80,90 kmh zone
I have the R7 Q-Ride @ 50 kph
Pro-M Auto City low limit @ 40 kph and all alerts below 30 kph off. One beep off.
This way any speeding above the usual lowest speed limits you have RD protection and extremely quiet as far as falsing, especially the Pro-M.
 

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I have the R7 Q-Ride @ 50 kph
Pro-M Auto City low limit @ 40 kph and all alerts below 30 kph off. One beep off.
This way any speeding above the usual lowest speed limits you have RD protection and extremely quiet as far as falsing, especially the Pro-M.

My city enforces “playground“ zones heavy. Which are 30kmh. So I set it at 20kmh and get a 10kmh buffer. I personally would love if radenso had 5kmh increments so I can set it at 25kmh. Sometimes when I enter a parking lot. The pro M is alerting to the door openers before I slow to the threshold. 25kmh “quiet ride” would be ideal for me
 

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My city enforces “playground“ zones heavy. Which are 30kmh. So I set it at 20kmh and get a 10kmh buffer. I personally would love if radenso had 5kmh increments so I can set it at 25kmh. Sometimes when I enter a parking lot. The pro M is alerting to the door openers before I slow to the threshold. 25kmh “quiet ride” would be ideal for me
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Ka and laser alert at any speed unless you change Ka and laser default settings?
No one here uses K in the city school zones. So I feel safe, even though all those I keep very close to 30 kph anyways.
 

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I totally disagree with u

I am a 2 year pro m used. I have lived thru every fw release. I get the odd false from bsm. There certain offenders but it’s not ever time for those offenders

I don’t need to set my “quiet ride” for a high speed. Mine is set at 20kmh so when I enter a parking lot. Those door sensors are all muted. I don’t want/need to hear audio beep alerts from them at all

So when I’m actually driving on the road where there are real threats. I get audio and visual alerts


Quiet ride is far from the answer to bsm false. Better analysis and filtering is the answer. So let’s say I up my quiet ride.

The roads I most travel on range from 50-100kmh. So if I did what u are suggesting. I should set it at 100kmh and rely on an 1-2 beep audio alert if I’m speeding in say a 50kmh zone and get hit I could have my music turned up and miss the “2 beep” alert and then get nailed because as u said the “visual” alert isn’t good enough

No. I would rather have my quiet ride set at 20 kmh and not be bothered by an audio alert in a parking lot. Have superior bsm filtering and get a full audio and visual alert when I’m in 30,40,50,60,70,80,90 kmh zone
I don't play loud music. That's the difference between you and me. I drive 40-50K miles a year. Over the years, I have learned and change driving habits, change normal/common habits using a radar detector to lessen my moving violations. I don't rely solely on RD's as I have learned in the past from an I/O hit using the V1 - relying too much on audio alerts. I do defensive driving now - use rabbits and visual scanning ahead when running solo. With this settings, I still get visual and audio alerts without the annoyance of continued audible alerts or reaching for the mute button. If you set your quiet ride to 20 kph, will you not get the annoyance of the audio alert at 30, 40, 50 kph? That's the benefit of the quiet ride for the Unidens because it covers both BSM and other K band falses. Bottom line each has his own preference. My R3 will still be quieter than your Pro M.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Ka and laser alert at any speed unless you change Ka and laser default settings?
No one here uses K in the city school zones. So I feel safe, even though all those I keep very close to 30 kph anyways.
City uses mrcd and laser.

But I can’t comment on what surrounding communities use in school zones. I know they do shoot k band. So if I’m in their areas. I have to prepared for a possible k band attack
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I don't play loud music. That's the difference between you and me. I drive 40-50K miles a year. Over the years, I have learned and change driving habits, change normal/common habits using a radar detector to lessen my moving violations. I don't rely solely on RD's as I have learned in the past from an I/O hit using the V1 - relying too much on audio alerts. I do defensive driving now - use rabbits and visual scanning ahead when running solo. With this settings, I still get visual and audio alerts without the annoyance of continued audible alerts or reaching for the mute button. If you set your quiet ride to 20 kph, will you not get the annoyance of the audio alert at 30, 40, 50 kph? That's the benefit of the quiet ride for the Unidens because it covers both BSM and other K band falses. Bottom line each has his own preference. My R3 will still be quieter than your Pro M.
Again my pro M doesn’t false as badly as your R3 through superior filtering so I’m not reaching for the mute button to the point that I’m so annoyed that I have compensate things by setting quiet ride to 100kmh. I drive about 35,000km a year pretty much all city


Let me put it this way My citys traffic enforcement doesn’t even shoot k band. I don’t even need to turn it on. The surrounding areas. Do shoot k band though. I don’t really speed over there because I’m in and out and rarely there.

The city uses k band for speed signs and traffic sensors. (I lock them out) but they are non threats.


I ran a V1 for over 10 years. I turned k band off the 2nd day I had it. I hit mute button to turn off 1 bogey door open opening. It’s flashing away then boom. The V1 picks up the 2nd door opener and it’s beeping away. So I know what annoying us


Since u don’t use lockouts I’m surprised u don’t still run a V1 with saavy
 
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Every way to deal with it has plusses and minuses. K-band is still used for traffic control and is even increasing its footprint in some location. The user just needs to be knowledgeable about those plusses and minuses of various techniques.
 

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My city enforces “playground“ zones heavy. Which are 30kmh.
Same here. Setting Quiet Ride (QR?) to some high value simply doesn't work. And LEO does sit in school zones.
 

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School zones... definitely a no no for speeding of any kind in my book
 

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School zones... definitely a no no for speeding of any kind in my book
Live in Edmonton and your opinion will change very fast. A school zone was elementary school from 8am-430pm on school days. Then they added jr high to the school zone. My opinion a kid is 13 and up and a parent no longer picks up their kid anymore. I shouldn’t be forced to drive 30kmh. But this still wasn’t good enough so they
changed all “school zones” and made them all “playground zones” so everyday from 730am-9pm in 30kmh

So every area that had a sport field regardless of how much and how it looked liked it was 30kmh

They backtracked and removed some areas that got no use

But schools and sporting fields attached to schools are completely fenced off. Visibility is excellent.


I live a winter city. It’s gets dark at 4pm in the winter and cold. No kid is out playing in field or a playground on Monday at 6pm on dec 17 etc
 

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Live in Edmonton and your opinion will change very fast. A school zone was elementary school from 8am-430pm on school days. Then they added jr high to the school zone. My opinion a kid is 13 and up and a parent no longer picks up their kid anymore. I shouldn’t be forced to drive 30kmh. But this still wasn’t good enough so they
changed all “school zones” and made them all “playground zones” so everyday from 730am-9pm in 30kmh

So every area that had a sport field regardless of how much and how it looked liked it was 30kmh

They backtracked and removed some areas that got no use

But schools and sporting fields attached to schools are completely fenced off. Visibility is excellent.


I live a winter city. It’s gets dark at 4pm in the winter and cold. No kid is out playing in field or a playground on Monday at 6pm on dec 17 etc
So you're telling us Edmonton has a fixed time for playground zones of 9:00 PM year-round??
Man, in BC, king of over regulated social engineering we have had playgrounds dawn to dusk and they are only at actual playgrounds. School zones are signed as such unless and elementary school has playground there.
Even then the fenced off main streets surrounding schools are not usually signed to 30 kph. Mostly the secondary roads that have access to the school grounds or parking.
Edmonton sucks the big roll of tickets....
 

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So you're telling us Edmonton has a fixed time for playground zones of 9:00 PM year-round??
Man, in BC, king of over regulated social engineering we have had playgrounds dawn to dusk and they are only at actual playgrounds. School zones are signed as such unless and elementary school has playground there.
Even then the fenced off main streets surrounding schools are not usually signed to 30 kph. Mostly the secondary roads that have access to the school grounds or parking.
Edmonton sucks the big roll of tickets....

That’s exactly telling u. “playground” zones used to be 730am to 1hr after sunset.


There is no such thing as a “school” zone anymore. It’s all “playground” zones now from 730am-9pm everyday

I could post pics of these areas for u and u will shake your head. I don’t even need to cherry pic a location. I would let someone pick 5 locations and the time. And I ll go there and pics to show many “kids” are playing in those sporting fields.

I have 0 issues with slowing down where spray parks and places with actual playground equipment. But sporting fields because they are attached to a jr high school it’s excessive

I live close to 2 locations on the same road. Where it’s over 700m of “playground” zones. I’m tellung u right now. This road is wide. 2 lanes of travel In direction with a parking on both sides as well.
 

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City uses mrcd and laser.

But I can’t comment on what surrounding communities use in school zones. I know they do shoot k band. So if I’m in their areas. I have to prepared for a possible k band attack
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Again my pro M doesn’t false as badly as your R3 through superior filtering so I’m not reaching for the mute button to the point that I’m so annoyed that I have compensate things by setting quiet ride to 100kmh. I drive about 35,000km a year pretty much all city


Let me put it this way My citys traffic enforcement doesn’t even shoot k band. I don’t even need to turn it on. The surrounding areas. Do shoot k band though. I don’t really speed over there because I’m in and out and rarely there.

The city uses k band for speed signs and traffic sensors. (I lock them out) but they are non threats.


I ran a V1 for over 10 years. I turned k band off the 2nd day I had it. I hit mute button to turn off 1 bogey door open opening. It’s flashing away then boom. The V1 picks up the 2nd door opener and it’s beeping away. So I know what annoying us


Since u don’t use lockouts I’m surprised u don’t still run a V1 with saavy
There is no doubt that the Pro M has better BSM filtering and I see as well understand why you settings are different aside from having different RD's. Our settings are based on 2 major factors. Preference and location/environment. If I use your settings in my environment, I'll go crazy with all those audible false alerts. The fact that your local PD does not use K band radars is a huge difference and the fact that you stated you "don't even have to turn it on K band" is a different story. Not here were K band is widely use. I don't know much about your place. But here in the US where I live and work, on top of local PD and door openers, I have to deal with county sheriffs that operate outside city limits and think about the multiplier here. In the last 8 months, I have been using QR to suppress audible false from BSM to door openers but yet give better situational awareness with some little changes in how I use and apply information I received. I'm sure each RD detector has it's own pluses and minuses. Both are very good detectors on it's own. The Pro M can do better in some areas and not do well in some areas when it comes to false audible alerts depending on setup preference. Infact last week, I did some test with lockout. I do pass this Dollar General store everyday and I know the frequency changes. So I locked it out. After several runs, location was confirmed to be locked out. No visual and no audible alerts. So I suspect that the technology used is like the Escorts. It locks out a location not by frequency but by radius. When you are in that radius and LEO operates in the radius, you are toast. I believe Pro M lockouts are the same - go by with radius in a marked location not frequency based lockout. Because I know for a fact that door frequency drifts and changes. That is why I never was a fan of lockouts specially in K band radar country.

V1 saavy? I prefer stand alone units and no apps. But that is subjective.
 

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Quite Ride is great around town and when under a set speed, it really doesn't apply when one is actually using an RD for what it is supposed to be used for, exceeding the PSL while limiting as many tickets as possible. All bets are off above the set Quite Ride speed which if one is using common sense is below the PSL or just over it. Current solutions can only filter out so much such as how Radenso and JBV1 with TMF2 do it better than others. Again Quite Ride is NOT a BSM solution when one is well above the PSL.
 

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