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Greetings :)

So, here's the skinny:

Me:

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Hello

I live in New York City and often travel to Europe. In both places MRCD/MRCT detection is needed (NYC is updating their speed cameras at an alarming pace).

My understanding is that the only Escort model having both directional arrows AND MRCD/MRCT detection is the Escort 360c International.

- Is this model available for purchase in the US ?
- If not - is there an update scheduled for the US spec model so it can deal with MRCD/MRCT ?
- Would an International 360c or Redline EX model work with the US version of Escort Live (registration, firmware updates, etc) ?
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Hello,

If you are in the United States and need MRCD detection, the only model you would want is a Redline Ex. You do not need an international version of that model for it to detect. The problem is, an international model is not designed to work in the United States and vice versa. There is no way to switch an international to work in here or switch a US version to work internationally. You will essentially need two detectors if you will be in the US and Europe...
So the short story - I have been happy with my Beltronics GT-7 (let's say it's an Escort and move on), I'm in NYC and MRCD is becoming a thing here. Plus, there's that LEO on Riverside Drive in NYC who has hit me at least three times with a laser gun of some sorts from 20 yards away and I didn't get a single beep (my RX-65 did), so - that's another story, but - time for something new.

I got a smoking deal on an R3, been using it for the last two weeks, and it's a love/hate thing. To put it simply - I was dead set that the R7 will be my next one, but if its display options have anything to do with the R3's, the deal is off.

It's awful, the choices of black digits on a lit background on the left side make the whole screen look three times smaller than it actually is. Very difficult to read. Just looks gimicky.

Anyway - it looks like MRCD/MRCT is simply not something Escort wants to pay attention to. If the 360c International has it, maybe I'm willing to source one, as it otherwise fits everything I wish for in a detector, but paying that price for something that will not catch half the cameras in my vicinity, thanks, but no thanks.

Escort's reply has not been very helpful as it's a boilerplate "buy the US version and suck it up" answer, not giving any info on WHY the International version is not good for the US (is it not good actually ?)

Then again, I wish to finally give a shot to Escort Live, so one would say that I'll be reasonably covered, BUT - what will upload newly discovered MRCD cameras to the database if there's (almost) no Escort product that would detect them in the first place ?

Or am I missing something ? Is MRCD/MRCT somehow still detected and reported by Escort products, but just as something else (multiple simultaneous K hits for example) ?

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Can’t say much beyond Hello, Haven’t paid any attention to the 360c or EX but agree the don’t seem to be paying much attention to the new threat. Have often wondered why if the R3 can pickup mrcd that why a software update can’t be applied to the lesser ecorts and bells. Only thing that comes to mind is marketing strategy. They want to force people into the flagship high end units.
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...They want to force people into the flagship high end units...
Well, from my perspective the problem is precisely that they seem to be forcing people OUT of their most expensive flagship unit - the Max 360c, which doesn't seem to detect MRCD in US version - per their own words.

I am more than ready to pull the trigger on a 360c, if not for that. They advise me to get the Redline EX if I need MRCD, but - despite the fact that it looks insanely good (it reminds me of my dear Sharp GF-800 boombox or of my old dream - the Nakamishi Dragon tape deck, old people like me will understand) - it doesn't offer arrows, which puts it in a completely different group for me.

A Redline 360 would really do it, but well. We can always dream.

As for keeping two units, one for Europe and one for the US - good luck with that.
I guess for the moment I'll look for the cheapest Cobra DualPro 360 I can find, and keep the R3 handy just in case. But I'm still curious as of what the 360c International actually is, and actually does. I heard it has a completely different horn or something ?
 

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Bump :)

I might have been too long in my first post, so I'll make it simple:

For Escort products that are NOT explicitly able to report MRCD/MRCT (meaning - that are NOT a Redline EX or a 360c International) - Is MRCD/MRCT somehow still detected and reported, but just as something else (multiple simultaneous K hits for example) ?

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Can’t speak for escorts but my R7 alerts to MRCD/CT reasonably well. We have a lot here in MD so I cross them every day.

As far as the R3 is concerned, I thought I read that it was a hardware issue for why it’s not better for this. Might be wrong.
 

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I am actually very happy with the R3's performance.
What I can't get used to is the way the info is laid down on the screen. It's extremely difficult to read, despite the screen being of good quality and not smaller than BelScort's screens.

The problem is with that whole left side that is in color, with the actual info being in black, rather than the other way around.
And I have my reservations about how the R7 would present information, despite the screen being twice as large (although, it seems like at least they did set up the left side correctly this time).
 

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I am actually very happy with the R3's performance.
What I can't get used to is the way the info is laid down on the screen. It's extremely difficult to read, despite the screen being of good quality and not smaller than BelScort's screens.

The problem is with that whole left side that is in color, with the actual info being in black, rather than the other way around.
And I have my reservations about how the R7 would present information, despite the screen being twice as large (although, it seems like at least they did set up the left side correctly this time).
The R7 is far bigger and easier to read with white letter/number on left as you say.
But it is not nearly as bright as the R3 and I can only see it when set to white when on my motorcycle in daylight.
R7 has no visibility issues on any colour inside my truck, specially mounted high just under headliner.
 

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Bump :)

I might have been too long in my first post, so I'll make it simple:

For Escort products that are NOT explicitly able to report MRCD/MRCT (meaning - that are NOT a Redline EX or a 360c International) - Is MRCD/MRCT somehow still detected and reported, but just as something else (multiple simultaneous K hits for example) ?

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No. If the detector does not have the hardware to do mrcd/mrct then it won't do anything since it can't pick it up.
 

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No. If the detector does not have the hardware to do mrcd/mrct then it won't do anything since it can't pick it up.
So, if my R3 picked up a camera at a specific location as MRCD four out of five times (the fifth time it listed it as K), and my GT-7 picked some, low level K at the same location - does it mean my R3 listed K wrongly as MRCD ?
 

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Not necessarily. MRCD/CT is k band radar just very low power and frequency changing. This combo makes it hard for most RDs to detect it. If they don’t have FW that can identify these features it often just shows up as a k band signal. My R7 does the same thing.
 

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So, if my R3 picked up a camera at a specific location as MRCD four out of five times (the fifth time it listed it as K), and my GT-7 picked some, low level K at the same location - does it mean my R3 listed K wrongly as MRCD ?
The problem with MRCD and the R3 is that the R3 is restricted by hardware as to how low in the K band frequency it can scan. R7 can scan lower.
So MRCD units may or may not be up in the range R3 can pick up.
Cold weather lowers the frequency and you may lose some you were receiving.
Additionally MRCD rapidly changes frequency so R3 may only pick up the parts in its reception ability, while missing another part of the radar.
So you may get weak or no signal those times.
 
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Thanks All
So, I'd guess - ironically, my GT-7 in Threat mode can give me hints about MRCD (by displaying multiple simultaneous X band columns, as the trailing time is long enough for a new column to appear before the previous one goes away), where my DualPro360/GT-360 can not, as it doesn't have that display mode, and my R3 gets it mostly (all my tests were in hot weather).
I can't even test the BelCobra, as at this spot it shows a recorded camera location, and doesn't shift to show me a live signal (not sure if it means it doesn't detect it or just ignores it).
 
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@goblin.... I have a crazy idea. Might work.

Contact @Heywood...

Buy a international 360c. First program it best for US market. See if they exclude some US frequencies. Bet they do not... if so, should work well in US

Test on the street. And test with radar units NY members here have. They might be interested too to see how it works.

Then right away send to a willing Heywood to run his magical MRCD testing corridors in CA. He will tell you exactly if the MRCD performance is good. He might like to try one if he has not already.

We ALL would like to see the results above.

Make sure this all happens within the 30 return window.

IF enough logistical time available, @cihkal, if he has time or interest, could run 360c int. up against the fixed location MRCT speed cams in Chicago.

I know this is bunch of logistics. But, we all have asked st one time or another if a 360c would work for someone like you and many others.
 

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@goblin.... I have a crazy idea. Might work.

Contact @Heywood...

Buy a international 360c. First program it best for US market. See if they exclude some US frequencies. Bet they do not... if so, should work well in US

Test on the street. And test with radar units NY members here have. They might be interested too to see how it works.

Then right away send to a willing Heywood to run his magical MRCD testing corridors in CA. He will tell you exactly if the MRCD performance is good. He might like to try one if he has not already.

We ALL would like to see the results above.

Make sure this all happens within the 30 return window.

IF enough logistical time available, @cihkal, if he has time or interest, could run 360c int. up against the fixed location MRCT speed cams in Chicago.

I know this is bunch of logistics. But, we all have asked st one time or another if a 360c would work for someone like you and many others.
I'm game, getting back into the business.
 

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Getting to me and then back through the postal system probably wouldn’t work in the time frame.

Jumping countries is always longer and they screen a lot of packages.
 

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I'm game, getting back into the business.
Woot woot. This man can test, track and chart too. Does great work!
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Getting to me and then back through the postal system probably wouldn’t work in the time frame.

Jumping countries is always longer and they screen a lot of packages.
Too bad. You would be critical part of the process. If I knew 360c worked in US ok, I would buy one not caring abilities to return and send to you.

For Goblin, using a FedExpress fastest guaranteed method to you would be slow?
 
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Too bad. You would be critical part of the process. If I knew 360c worked in US ok, would buy one not caring abilities to return and send to you.

For Goblin, using a FedExpress fastest guaranteed method to you would be slow?
Probably 4 to 7 days each way. As for buying one myself? Nope. To much here.
 

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