WAZE USERS STARTING TO SUCK

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@BlueV1 You're assuming that the moment you report, it gets uploaded to Waze servers. It's quite possible the app does both a push/pull operation roughly every 90 seconds. The staff member was on the Waze infrastructure team, so I'm quite certain he knew what he was talking about. However, it was a couple of years ago, so it's possible it's been changed. I'll certainly ask Waze staff next time we have a meetup. In the meantime, next time I have a friend in the car, we'll test.

Ultimately, the point is moot. There would be no probable cause to pull someone over solely for reporting a speed trap in Waze. And if so, it's likely to be ruled Protected Free Speech, like flashing high beams has. And I don't recall anyone getting a ticket for warning other motorists of speed traps on CB radio back in the day.

If that ever happened to me, the conversation would go something like this:
LEO: "You marked me in Waze!"
Me: "So what are you doing out here anyway?"
LEO: "Trying to get people to slow down!"
Me: "So what does Waze telling drivers police ahead do?"
LEO: <silence>
 

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@BlueV1 You're assuming that the moment you report, it gets uploaded to Waze servers. It's quite possible the app does both a push/pull operation roughly every 90 seconds. The staff member was on the Waze infrastructure team, so I'm quite certain he knew what he was talking about. However, it was a couple of years ago, so it's possible it's been changed.
I get what you are suggesting. :) I really need to elaborate more so that it's clear that I'm not assuming this behavior. Also, I have a small theory.

  • I have run two Waze clients continuously for roughly 18 months and roughly 86,000 miles
  • One client is the newest and always updated version
  • The other client is an older custom version that does not have the 0.5 mile announcement limit, etc. and runs different credentials. (Not the same user account)

When I report something on the current version Waze app, I actually experience the report popping up on the other one in 10 or so seconds. Not every time, but probably 75-80% of the time. I'm not always in the best of reception areas (lots of mountainous terrain). If I were, I'd expect the percentage to be even higher.

My experience shows me that completing a report on the current version places the report in the data stream as soon as possible. Therefore, if the LEO's Waze is polling shortly after, it will get that report. I do agree that it generally doesn't matter anyway; but it could matter if someone assumed they had at least 90 seconds before it would be noticed. (I've encountered a mad trooper that saw me on his Waze and took it out on me during a stop.)

Here's my theory about how the staff member answered the question. If someone asks how often Waze checks the server, it's no sooner than every 90 seconds. If probed further, there could be 5 different answers for specific scenarios, but typically it's 90 seconds. I agree that he most likely knew what he was talking about, but the discussion on that one point might have been substantially more complicated than a generic Q&A session might have allowed. Digging deeper, he might have elaborated much like I'm more elaborately explaining my experiences here. I didn't start with these details but now here we are as thoughts have progressed. :)

Somewhere around here is my story of the 92 in a 65 ticket I got when I passed the unmarked SHP on the highway. It wasn't pretty. :rolleyes:
 

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There would be no probable cause to pull someone over solely for reporting a speed trap in Waze. And if so, it's likely to be ruled Protected Free Speech, like flashing high beams has. And I don't recall anyone getting a ticket for warning other motorists of speed traps on CB radio back in the day.
What makes you think the PC would come from warning other motorists using Waze? They'll find some other reason if you irk them they really want to pull you over.

An easy one that immediately comes to mind is "failing to use your turn signals X feet before a turn or lane change" or something similar. Or maybe they think your window tint is too dark and they have to check it. Or any number of things.

I once had a federal park ranger pull me over for drinking a bottle of iced tea. No joke. He passed me going the other way and he saw me drinking a bottle of Snapple iced tea, and he "thought it was an alcoholic beverage."
 

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Fairly active users in southern Ohio. But I totally get the OP gripe about Wazers being a bit lazy. I try to sniff them out and report as much as possible and contribute.


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Waze should display a quick set of instructions on reporting items as you install it. That could help these newer people that don't know for sure if you can report moving LEOs.
 

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old versions like 3.7.8 stop working in Europe...How its there?
 

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I'm a new Waze user. I use it anonymously and only through audio since my phone is in the cup holder. I've memorized "OK Waze, report ..." but haven't had a chance to report anything yet. But would anonymous reports even go through? What about registered users but low ratings/points (I don't really know how this works)

Waze should display a quick set of instructions on reporting items as you install it. That could help these newer people that don't know for sure if you can report moving LEOs.
How does reporting moving LEOs even work? It seems like you need constant reporting or Waze needs to constantly poll the user -- basically chasing after the LEO to report his moving location. I've encountered non-existent police reports too.

I've run Escort Live in conjunction with Waze and I notice a difference at night. As long as its a major highway and with some traffic, I get stationary reports on Waze to the late evening and very early night, like accidents or police stopped in the side. Obvious visible incidents. However, I get EL reports of live Ka band or live laser without anything reported on Waze in the vicinity especially later in the night. Then again, these could be falses automatically detected from other Escort/Cobra/Beltronics users too. But at night in certain areas, I tend to believe them....
 

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I get EL reports of live Ka band or live laser without anything reported on Waze in the vicinity especially later in the night. Then again, these could be falses automatically detected from other Escort/Cobra/Beltronics users too. But at night in certain areas, I tend to believe them....
If you know how to get the new EL to auto report, share how to do it. Don’t see an option other than it asking for confirmation by manually pressing button.
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If you know how to get the new EL to auto report, share how to do it. Don’t see an option other than it asking for confirmation by manually pressing button.
Posted from my iPhone using the RDF Mobile App!
All radar and laser hits are reported automatically. You won’t see any indication of this in the user interface. The reason I know is because I inspected the network traffic.

When the app asks you to confirm a report, then it is a “user report” as opposed to just an auto report.

I’m not sure what they do with the two report types, but I can tell you all radar and laser encounters are always auto reported.
 

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What makes you think the PC would come from warning other motorists using Waze? They'll find some other reason if you irk them they really want to pull you over.

An easy one that immediately comes to mind is "failing to use your turn signals X feet before a turn or lane change" or something similar. Or maybe they think your window tint is too dark and they have to check it. Or any number of things.

I once had a federal park ranger pull me over for drinking a bottle of iced tea. No joke. He passed me going the other way and he saw me drinking a bottle of Snapple iced tea, and he "thought it was an alcoholic beverage."
Been there, done that! Happened to me a long time ago but it still irks me to this day.:mad:

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I had Waze running the other day, but I'm waiting to see if I got a speeding ticket from an intersection. Waze did its job highlighting the hazard. No problem there. I sat in a 3 lane road on the far left with a few cars in front. Double trailer truck next to me just a few car lengths slightly ahead. Lights turned green, I proceed ahead and cars in front gained space. The road ahead merges to 2 lanes, my lane disappears and has to merge. Truck slightly ahead of me I accelerate and the car launches as I'm trying to get past the twin trailer truck to merge into his lane. Before I know it, I've gone over the speed limit and then thought sh*t. Unsure if I've triggered the camera but certain I'll know in the next 10 days. Have to watch my car sometimes. It just grips the road and you're off. If I'm ticketed it's not far off 5 over tho, so... difficult to tell. Sometimes countermeasures can't save you anyway unfortunately.
 
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Fairly active users in southern Ohio. But I totally get the OP gripe about Wazers being a bit lazy. I try to sniff them out and report as much as possible and contribute.


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I live close to that exit and the other day it was like a kid went crazy on waze. Cops, crashes all down 71 until Kenwood.
 

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I was at a light yesterday when a brand-new report popped up 0.04 miles ahead of me. It was an RPD cruiser waiting on the same light in the opposite lanes. Some Wazers just don't get it.
 

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Part of the issue:

Freaken apple car play doesnt help bc it only allows you to report leo’s on your side. They need to fix this ASAP. It cuts my reporting down a lot! And if i report on my side for an opposite side leo, it gets removed pretty quickly as drivers on my side cant sniff the leo on the other side (no radar detection).
 
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Part of the issue:

Freaken apple car play doesnt help bc it only allows you to report leo’s on your side. They need to fix this ASAP. It cuts my reporting down a lot! And if i report on my side for an opposite side leo, it gets removed pretty quickly as drivers on my side cant sniff the leo on the other side (no radar detection).
Man... That's a huge issue! We got NK7 Redflex shooting across 6lanes in both directions now. I rather be told than not, no matter where the cam is! That's a huge fail. I did notice stationary cams only flag the side your travelling, but thought if a marker was dropped, it was a general all round location warning. Thanks for informing. Waze is currently 50% as good as it could be (one sided).
 

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I am one of the Waze users who stopped using it long time ago. You know why? First of all, I do not like it always running and consuming battery and I don't like connecting wires to the phone while in car. Plus it sucked as a navigation app - in my experience Google Maps worked better, so did devices from Garmin (I do not care if it worked better in your particular area). Plus I have seen too many false reports where the police was not present at marked location (local police are not stupid and are well aware of this app, I don't know about how it works at some remote villages where you people live). And one time when I saw the police cruiser standing on the shoulder while I was a passenger in someone else's car - he started driving and continued to do so for few minutes until he exited the highway, so marking him would be absolutely useless. Also, if you read news related to Taiwan protests - you might know that official app stores can pull any app that allows people to mark location of police at any time if government will request it:

TL;DR: There are many reasons for not using Waze for some people, so if you want more reliable way to detect speed enforcing police - buy better detectors and laser jammers (if they are legal in your area).
 

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I disagree, i think its navigation and traffic updates are pretty accurate. Im pretty sure google maps uses waze for their traffic information so technically google maps (assuming this is true) will always be a step behind waze with traffic updates hence waze will give you better routes. just my 2 cents.
 

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I am one of the Waze users who stopped using it long time ago. You know why? First of all, I do not like it always running and consuming battery and I don't like connecting wires to the phone while in car. Plus it sucked as a navigation app - in my experience Google Maps worked better, so did devices from Garmin (I do not care if it worked better in your particular area). Plus I have seen too many false reports where the police was not present at marked location (local police are not stupid and are well aware of this app, I don't know about how it works at some remote villages where you people live). And one time when I saw the police cruiser standing on the shoulder while I was a passenger in someone else's car - he started driving and continued to do so for few minutes until he exited the highway, so marking him would be absolutely useless. Also, if you read news related to Taiwan protests - you might know that official app stores can pull any app that allows people to mark location of police at any time if government will request it:

TL;DR: There are many reasons for not using Waze for some people, so if you want more reliable way to detect speed enforcing police - buy better detectors and laser jammers (if they are legal in your area).

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Really? Where is the logic in any of that? First if it isn't network connected and updating all the time, it is basically useless for both reporting but more specifically for use as a warning system! I don't need to receive a warning about a LEO I passed 10 minutes ago because Waze only updates every 10 or 15 minutes! And yes it uses power for the screen and network connection as well as the App just running, but again, one is in their vehicle and power is available everywhere. The very first thing when I get in my car before even putting on my seatbelt is plug my iPhone into the cable from my Kenwood DMX-905S and placing it on the dash mounted mag mount. What did that take, all of 5 seconds, not even.

I know Google bought Waze years ago but what I don't understand is how bad Google Maps is compared to Waze. Google Maps can't find my cabin but Waze takes me right to it when I put in the address (last 5 miles is on gravel roads). Google Maps has 3 roads near my cabin labeled wrong and has two sets of roads connecting to other roads that never connect so it leads one to a dead end at a lake (the other dead end is at a ravine). Yes if one could drive through the lake to a road that also ends on the other side that would be the quickest way to my cabin but even in the driest of seasons, the lake is too deep to drive across.

I also use GasBuddy often because I drive in areas I don't know so it is good to know that a station just half a mile off the Interstate instead of right next to the Interstate has gas for 10 cents a gallon less. So I tap the station for directions and it opens Google Maps to give me directions and it is 7 miles away 15 minute drive. So I punch the address in Waze and it is a mile away, 2 minutes! Goggle Maps sucks around Atlanta in my experience. Google Maps goes nuts if you try to use the Express Lanes where as Waze actually routes me to the Express Lanes if it will save me travel time plus "It Knows" when they are open in the direction I am traveling as they are Rush Hour reversible Express Lanes, again Google Maps doesn't have a clue unless I have missed some setting some place.

And as others have said, some people don't get marking LEOs. Some idiot in front of me was marking a rolling GHP ahead of me almost all the way to Chattanooga the other day. At least I finally knew what was going on when the V1 starting picking up 35.5 when he was shooting oncoming traffic. I'm betting it was the Lexus LX I passed that would not go around the GHP that was doing the PSL. I kept it at 5 over when I caught up to him and passed him on the right and he didn't bat an eye! Stopped getting rear alerts from the V1 and it was back to the usual flying low and the every 3 to 5 minute LEO markings ahead of me stopped. The other App I ran helped with this as not a single LEO Mark had a Thumbs Up, all Zeros and of course I marked all of them as Not There hopefully removing them for other drivers behind me!

I know we all have our preferences and part of that reason is that we actually have choices which is a good thing. I have some issues with Waze, but nothing like the issues I have with Google Maps. I also agree that there is no reason to downgrade Waze functionality when used with Apple Car Play especially when a car head unit has a larger display and a much more stable mount than any phone temp mounted in a vehicle. There should be more options not less!
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