Reduce The Odds Of Being Ticketed

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I've been binge-watching a lot of Lehto's Law videos and thought this would be a good one for the forum. Not sure if I put it in the right place though...

A lot of this we all probably know, but if someone finds a 'pearl' in the video and it helps them avoid a ticket, then :happyanim:

Reduce The Odds Of Being Ticketed When Pulled Over - Lehto's Law Ep. 3.07


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I've been binge-watching a lot of Lehto's Law videos and thought this would be a good one for the forum. Not sure if I put it in the right place though...

A lot of this we all probably know, but if someone finds a 'pearl' in the video and it helps them avoid a ticket, then :happyanim:

Reduce The Odds Of Being Ticketed When Pulled Over - Lehto's Law Ep. 3.07


Enjoy
Good video. I do all those things if pulled over, but it doesn't hurt to get a refresher and get a re-confirmation they are the right things to do.
 

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I’ve heard that gun owners will announce that they have a concealed carry permit and weapon...is this true and would gun owners advise letting the cop know?
 

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I’ve heard that gun owners will announce that they have a concealed carry permit and weapon...is this true and would gun owners advise letting the cop know?
I do. Been stopped a lot, only 1 ticket.

I did have a female deputy get VERY nervous when I told her I was carrying. Call me sexist but I will probably refrain from informing female LEOs in the future.
 

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I lived a constitutional carry state. No duty to inform UNLESS you held a concealed carry permit , you agreed to produce the permit when pulled over or demanded by an officer. If you had no permit or were open carrying, you did not have to inform the officer. Why have a permit? reciprocity between states and it sped up gun purchases somewhat.

Fortunately here in NC it's open carry no permit needed, no duty to inform if doing so. Concealed is different.
 

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When ISP (IL) runs your plate - they will get a warning that you are a CCW / FOID card holder. I always tell the LEO that there is a weapon on or near me. They already know that and makes them feel more at ease. I if daylight - keep my hands on the wheel - I have already gotten my licenses out and in hand by the time I get stopped. (DL and CCW) Have my 'Retired IAFF' sticker on the back tends to help also. Just my .02 worth. Spin
 

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Sometimes informing the officer even if you don't have a duty to, can lead to you instantly building rapport (trust) with them. Implied in your holding a valid permit, is you're communicating to them that you went out of your way to obtain your permit legally, which takes effort to do so, as well as have passed a background check. That says a lot about your character. They can go verify the information, and they will see you were telling the truth, and disclosed sensitive information in an honest manner before they even may have seen it themselves via their computer. They appreciate this as it shows you are concerned for their safety, and are trying to make their job as easy as possible and not cause them problems. I have literally been thanked by the officers for communicating this information to them. I haven't always done so, but when I have, the experiences have been positive. I would definitely say I feel like it has contributed to positive outcomes at the roadside for me.

There is a saying I hear on occasion: you don't win a court case at the side of the road. This means you won't get anywhere arguing with the officer who stopped you. Be polite, respectful, and don't make their job difficult. They will be more inclined to let you off with a warning more often than not. Speaking from personal experiences, when I've been difficult to them or given them attitude, they hit me with the book. When I've been polite & succinct, respectful & cooperative, and built trust with them by immediately disclosing information that would impact their feeling safe in my presence, things have always turned out well for me.
 

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My state, the law is I do not have to tell an officer if I am carrying. If I’m asked I’m not going to be stupid and tell him/her no. But if I’m not asked then I’m not going to tell.
 

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Since the thread I started is heading in this direction anyway, I'll add to the divergence...

The only time I have interacted with a police officer in SC, it was about 10 years ago and two county Sheriff's officers were conducting a sobriety/"papers please" checkpoint at about 2:00 in the afternoon. I wasn't carrying but had something in the console. Notified him anyway. We then spent about 2-3 minutes talking about what I had and his newly issued service pistol (Glock .40) and were both disappointed when another car showed up and we had to stop talking because I had to move on and get out of the way. Lol.

Good times.

In SC, a CWP holder is obligated to notify an officer if we are carrying during a traffic stop when asked to show ID. I was told that a CWP holder does have something pop up on the police computer when he runs the tags.

If the firearm is in the glove-box or center console (therefore not being 'carried' as per the CWP exception), then the driver is not obligated to inform. Having it in glove-box or console is legal without a carry permit - and there is no 'duty to inform'.

That being said, since their computer will show CWP status anyway, the officer would probably assume the driver was carrying concealed and wonder why he wasn't informed. I would just inform no matter what and avoid that situation.
 

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Here is my take on it, want to reduce the odds of getting stopped? Don't drive 30 over at night. :lolhit:
 

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I’ve heard that gun owners will announce that they have a concealed carry permit and weapon...is this true and would gun owners advise letting the cop know?
It depends on the state. Some states you have a duty to inform but in others you do not. I personally always present my lic and my concealed carry permit if I am pulled over. This lets the officer know that I am armed and 99.9999% of the time they ask me where the gun is located. I tell them and they say leave it there and leave your hands on the wheel where they can see them. There are a few reasons I do this. One is the concealed carry permit shows that I am a law abiding citizen and not a criminal. I also do it for my safety. The last thing I need is to not tell the officer and then have them see the gun and view it as a threat to their safety.

In states like VA you do not have a duty to disclose but when they run your lic they will know you have a permit. If you have not disclosed that you are carrying 9 times out of 10 they will ask you if there is a gun in the car or in your possession. It is easier to simply disclose information they are going to get anyway in states like VA.

Here is a link to a good site where you can check the laws on "duty to disclose" in your state and other states you travel in. USCCA CCW Reciprocity Map & US Gun Laws | USCCA
 
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. There are a few reasons I do this. One is the concealed carry permit shows that I am a law abiding citizen and not a criminal. I also do it for my safety. The last thing I need is to not tell the officer and then have them see the gun and view it as a threat to their safety.
I did that on my 07/14/2017 stop with NCHP...........didn't do much, he didn't cut me any breaks.

My local PD cut me loose on the broken headlight last month though, guess it depends on the violation.
 

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Every time I've ever been pulled over I'm 100% honest with the cop and do it in a joking manner (Never been pulled over doing anything crazy reckless where their sense of humor is gone). If I was speeding, I'll fully admit to it which normally throws the officer back in amazement as if nobody has ever been truthful with them. I also tell them immediately that I'm a concealed carry holder and I'm carrying it on my right hip. I turn off the radio, keep my hands on the steering wheel, and announce everything I'm doing especially after I've told them I have a weapon. Every single time so far, I've been let go without even receiving a written warning. Most cops are pretty cool as long as you weren't doing anything insane and will be cool with you if you're cool with them. If you do get a ticket and you were in the wrong, then you got what you deserved. I also have a 2 channel dash cam setup and if the cop is one of those rare assholes that made shit up, I'll quickly inform them that I have it on video and if they still give me a ticket I'll bring the video to court and make an ass out of the officer. People that hit with a ton of tickets were either doing some crazy stuff or were just being rude to an officer doing their job. Be respectful, stay calm, and own up to your own actions.
 

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As a concealed carry holder, I will not divulge that info unless specifically asked. Some claim that once the LEO runs your license he can see whether or not you have a carry permit. Not sure how true that may be.
Depending on the state you’re in you’re breaking the law.

Texas you MUST inform and they CAN see you have a CWP. I know that as I’m friends with an Austin PD officer and asked him.

Idaho is the same way. I had a CWP in Idaho as well.
 

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This is MUCH better advice than the "am I being detained? Am I being detained? Etc.," BS that goes around car forums regularly. I've been pulled over 3 times for speeding now, and done basically this every time. I got two verbal warnings and a side-of-the-road write-down to a non-moving violation (failure to show registration, which I had but took me a minute to find, for 44 in a 30). Being respectful, while not incriminating yourself, is the best way out of a ticket.

(Being a white male doesn't hurt either, sadly).
 
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This is great. The crap people try nowadays, like recording the cop with their phone is the easiest way to put the whole thing adversarial. Be polite, they are doing their job, do yours which is to be reasonable. Every stop I've had where I am flat but respectful has ended well. There is no reason to do what you see on youtube - videoing while saying "it is my right to record you, it is my right to record you" etc. Do that, and enjoy your night in the slammer and your big ticket.
 

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I was pulled over and the officer asked if there was anything in my car he needed to worry about. I always carry. I informed him there was nothing in the vehicle that he should be concerned about. Because, he was not specific. I was also in full control of where in the vehicle it was and he had no legitimate need to worry.

A very good friend of mine is a magistrate here in WV. He said that my response to his specific question was perfect. I was once asked if I had any weapons in the car and told him I had one in my middle console. Legal in WV and VA. He looked at me and smiled and said, "You don't pull yours, I won't pull mine." It's funny that in states where it is constitutional carry the LEO's are not overly concerned bout the driver having a weapon in the vehicle. They sometimes ask or sometimes don't.
 

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I was pulled over and the officer asked if there was anything in my car he needed to worry about. I always carry. I informed him there was nothing in the vehicle that he should be concerned about. Because, he was not specific. I was also in full control of where in the vehicle it was and he had no legitimate need to worry.

A very good friend of mine is a magistrate here in WV. He said that my response to his specific question was perfect. I was once asked if I had any weapons in the car and told him I had one in my middle console. Legal in WV and VA. He looked at me and smiled and said, "You don't pull yours, I won't pull mine." It's funny that in states where it is constitutional carry the LEO's are not overly concerned bout the driver having a weapon in the vehicle. They sometimes ask or sometimes don't.

I think they're good with it because they know you're a legal, non felon, for the most part maybe minus some speeding a law abiding person. Not a gang banger with a shaved serial number pistol. Don't think people really need to worry about the people that CAN legally own a gun. It's the people who can't is what causes concern.


But yeah, when I get pulled over, I'm always respectful, almost every cop I've run into has been a decent person, admit to whatever they got me doing- yeah you got me, felt like speeding or not wearing a seat belt, it's their job- is what it is. You start arguing with them and getting lippy and they aren't going to cut you any slack, probably the opposite and try to screw you as hard as possible. Got pulled over I think in january, he thought he was going to get me for a owi, got pulled over passing a truck in the dark think 78? in a 65. He told me he was going to give me a warning for the speed but had me get out, do the field sobriety test, blow in the tube. I was a dead zero, but yeah, he was decent with me and I was on my way. Sucked being stopped on the highway, and you know everyone I passed before went by and was probably laughing at me.

Pissed me off, got pulled over last week. Was actually taking it fairly easy on the way home from work. He was selectively i/oing people, detector went off not long but before I could see him. Think I was about 63 in a 55 at the time. Jammed the breaks and took it down to like 58, thought that was too slow so got back on it, was going for bouncing between 59 and 60. Hit a little roller hill and hit 61, he said 62, and I didn't have my seat belt on and he could see it. Thought shit, he better not get me for the speed, was thinking the seat belt when he pulled out. He was decent, was talking to him for a minute. Ended up just getting me for a 10 dollar no seatbelt, but did give me a written warning for the speed and american family didn't send me the new insurance card so got a written warning for that too. Don't think warnings affect insurance but either way don't want speeding on my record. Can't believe it the detector went off and still got nailed so I guess that's on me. But at least didn't get it for speeding. Sometimes you're getting run over at that speed. With the warnings the ticket was like 2 feet long, damn, especially when should have been preventable
 

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