Edmonton won't remove photo radar despite new provincial guidelines

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Edmonton won't remove photo radar because it makes one incredible amount of money, the city says, and they are addicted to spending it on worthless crap.

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Its asinine how much photo radar there is in that city. I am truly surprised that people do not retaliate against any of it. Or would we even hear about it?
 

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Its asinine how much photo radar there is in that city. I am truly surprised that people do not retaliate against any of it. Or would we even hear about it?
IMO - Alberta has been prosperous for the most part over the years. Before the recent recession/bust cycle, even if you weren't in Oil/Gas you still had decent jobs/wages/opportunities/spending money. Most people saw photo radar as another tax.

Slowly more and more people are getting upset it though.
 

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You know it's all about safety *cough cough*

why aren't they all just in playground zones/school zones? Personally I agree with them in those zones but anywhere else is a different level of bs.
 

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Its asinine how much photo radar there is in that city. I am truly surprised that people do not retaliate against any of it. Or would we even hear about it?
They have. All the units have live video cameras running at all times.

The trucks usually have bull racks/headache racks or canopies to protect the operators since the units all have to be manned.

The RLC’s, that do not need to be manned, are generally at intersections that are video monitored for traffic control.

So whatcha gonna do?
 

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I saw this today and thought your having a laugh aren't you? It's obvious it's just grabbing cash. I want to see the stats that show tickets at the Bonnie Doon location beside Servus Credit Union have reduced year on year and have prevented accidents! What's that? You can't prove it ? You don't say? Hmmmmmmm #shysters
 

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They don't even reinvest it into the current mine field roads. The news doesn't surprise me, what about that photo noisedar they ran a while back? What kind of country is this?
 

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It doesn’t seem that voting down cameras helps. Ohioans passed a law that said no cameras and cities are declaring eminent domain and ignoring the State. The State has passed legislation saying we are going to cut money we send you and you have to turn over the excess. To which the cities are appealing and counter suing.
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It doesn’t seem that voting down cameras helps. Ohioans passed a law that said no cameras and cities are declaring eminent domain and ignoring the State. The State has passed legislation saying we are going to cut money we send you and you have to turn over the excess. To which the cities are appealing and counter suing.
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Perfect. Just perfect. The fact is that the one overriding tenant of our Democracy is that we are a nation of rule by law and that no man is above the law. Apparently however that does not apply to government. It is very sad. Is it any wonder that respect for government, at all levels, is at a historical low?
 

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Its asinine how much photo radar there is in that city. I am truly surprised that people do not retaliate against any of it. Or would we even hear about it?

A small group of photo radar protestors have been holding up signs warning ppl of the the photo truck for about 3 years now


The city is quick to point out that they believe their program is working because 100,000 less tickets were given out but main reason is because of photo radar protesters.


The traffic department head said the culture is changing because of fewer mobile tickets

For fixed intersection cameras Tickets have gone up. Because there are more fixed cameras according to the traffic head


If the culture has really changed and ppl aren’t speeding. Then it doesn’t matter how many fixed intersection camera nor how many more mobile photo trucks are out there. If ppl have changed. They won’t trigger any device.
 

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Someone needs to sue the city, and get a Judge to not only order them to refund all ticket money, but to pay punitive damages to everyone who got a ticket after the new guidelines were issued. Instead of just complaining, sue them (of course you'll need to deliberately turn off your CMs and get a speeding ticket in order to have standing to sue).
 

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I like it this way it is. It would be so boring to drive around city without COE trucks. Especially without DCAM. I could not live without everyday Dragoneye multiple hits.
Of course i would be saying a totally different story if I would run Blinders, LIs, ZR5s etc etc. Would drive me crazy :)
 

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Someone needs to sue the city, and get a Judge to not only order them to refund all ticket money, but to pay punitive damages to everyone who got a ticket after the new guidelines were issued. Instead of just complaining, sue them (of course you'll need to deliberately turn off your CMs and get a speeding ticket in order to have standing to sue).

Trust me if I got photo ticket in an area where they aren’t suppose to be. I will be looking to get it thrown out. I would use the arguement that the commander and chief feels they don’t need to adhere to the higher up so why I should I. And even throw in the city didn’t “consult” with me before proceeding to deliberately continue to not follow guidelines
 

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I like it this way it is. It would be so boring to drive around city without COE trucks. Especially without DCAM. I could not live without everyday Dragoneye multiple hits.
Of course i would be saying a totally different story if I would run Blinders, LIs, ZR5s etc etc. Would drive me crazy :)
That’s crazy. Lol.
 

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I like it this way it is. It would be so boring to drive around city without COE trucks. Especially without DCAM. I could not live without everyday Dragoneye multiple hits.
Of course i would be saying a totally different story if I would run Blinders, LIs, ZR5s etc etc. Would drive me crazy :)
With the right tools, it's a ton of fun :). ROI is huge here haha
 

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So, are these just guidelines or actual legislated laws that must be followed.
Unless the province makes it a clear cut law that must be followed it is unenforceable.
This is a trick that allows the city and their lawyers continue to operate legally outside of the "guidelines" and the province looks like a peoples hero by pretending to be against unfair taxation.
But everybody still gets the keep your money.
I call shenanigans!

Also, they gave them enough loop holes with the safety concerns clause that it will never stick. After all speed kills, right? Any time, any place.
 
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So, are these just guidelines or actual legislated laws that must be followed.
Unless the province makes it a clear cut law that must be followed it is unenforceable.
This is a trick that allows the city and their lawyers continue to operate legally outside of the "guidelines" and the province looks like a peoples hero by pretending to be against unfair taxation.
But everybody still gets the keep your money.
I call shenanigans!

Also, they gave them enough loop holes with the safety concerns clause that it will never stick. After all speed kills, right? Any time, any place.

They are guidelines.

I don’t believe there is actual legislation on how to operate photo enforcement.

But the thing is photo enforcement had certain guideline before in place. And the city of Edmonton had no problems adhering to them. Most of the guideline are extremely loose and it comes down to opinion vs set parameter. Eg photo enforcement can only be used in paces where accidents occur often or an area of cases with high speeding. every road has speeders. The question is what is high?

But the clear guidelines like a sign must be place on each road of travel that has a fixed intersection camera or every road entering the city must have a photo enforcement warning sign. Edmonton has no problem adhering to those. But when clear removing photo enforcement where it’s safe to speed and relatively no collision. Nope the city will continue because it’s their main money maker.
 

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Like Edmonton citizen doesn't have enough reason already to hate living there :p (Just a BC boy who doesn't like snow and love to pick on Edmonton)
 

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