Genevo one M and Uniden R1 vs Mesta Fusion

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Hi,
Having some time to test and a Mesta Fusion radar nearby I've tested the Genevo one M vs a Mesta Fusion Radar that my country, France, love so much .
My settings was : K band narrow, K filter low, Ka band off, Laser on, Gatso RT3 and 4 on, MRCD on, MRCT on, MRCT/D filter Low, MRCD narrow,MRCT narrow.

For R1 settings where K band wide, K filter on, Ka off, X off, Laser On, MRCD on.

I made some test with the Radar pointing toward my car.
Genevo one M alerted at 600 meters (1968,5 feets) with MRCT alert full strength.
I've got only once MRCT changing to MRCD and again MRCT.
No K band alert.
Sometime no alert at all (is it always on or it trigger with some variables speed or distance maybe?).
Summing up : Genevo one M alert vs Mesta Fusion.
The price you have to pay is that with these settings you got a lot of MRCT falses.

Talking about R1 no MRCD alert at all.
I've got a K band alert at 24.063 Mhz just too close to the radar so useless.

Driving in the opposite direction of the radar beam you get no alert neither from Genevo or Uniden.

So the Mesta Fusion is harder to detect but not impossible.

Genevo was able to alert but if you're able to tolerate MRCT falses (because of MRCD and MRCT filters low).

If Genevo will fix these falses with MRCT/D filter low it will be a precious help detecting Mesta Fusion.

If I have some time I'll test MRCT/D filter high but I think that it will be useless.

Uniden is not good for Mesta Fusion Radar.

Hoping for you, living overseas, Radenso will have the same results.
 

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The Mesta Fusion is K band.

The problem it is it shifts frequencies so fast, every detector is guessing. There isn’t a detector on the market that can properly identify it.

There between 5 and 10 K Band frequencies. It’s more rapid than MRCD which is 4 frequencies shifting.

The detectors only get a glimpse, but because it’s so fas hopping from one to another, it can’t get a lock on it properly.

We have the Mesta Fusion here as well.
 

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Hey @rmarella, thanks for this testing! Great information.

This feels like a loosing battle with how all the photo radar is evolving vs the current RDs. Manufacturers are going to have to quickly step up their game with both detection as well as GPS databases.
 

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The Mesta Fusion is K band.

The problem it is it shifts frequencies so fast, every detector is guessing. There isn’t a detector on the market that can properly identify it.

There between 5 and 10 K Band frequencies. It’s more rapid than MRCD which is 4 frequencies shifting.

The detectors only get a glimpse, but because it’s so fas hopping from one to another, it can’t get a lock on it properly.

We have the Mesta Fusion here as well.
I agree with you.
K band shift so fast between frequencies that the detector, the Genevo one M believe that it is MRCD or MRCT.
If only it can detect it with MRCD/T filter setting in high it will be good.
Falses will be reduced and it will be useful.
Considering that Mesta Fusion can detect a car at 200 meters (but here in France it can take a photo at about 50 meters) and Genevo detect it at 600 meters is not so bad....
 

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I agree with you.
K band shift so fast between frequencies that the detector, the Genevo one M believe that it is MRCD or MRCT.
If only it can detect it with MRCD/T filter setting in high it will be good.
Falses will be reduced and it will be useful.
Considering that Mesta Fusion can detect a car at 200 meters (but here in France it can take a photo at about 50 meters) and Genevo detect it at 600 meters is not so bad....
I totally agree with you and thanks for testing it out.

If you turn on Gatso, you’ll occasionally see GT show up as well.

Ours are specifically at intersections so the frequency of the beam is fairly tight and focused. Rarely will you get any type signal at 600 meters. Maybe 250 to 350 meters.

If I’m not mistaken, aren't the Mesta’s used right in the middle of the roadways to to monitor many other things?

I know, due to the amount of K bands they can track more:

Red light infractions
Speed on green
Illegal turns on a Red light (both left and right)
Tailgating
Speeding

Here, they are only allowed to use un-manned photo enforcement, at Intersections. In Europe, I understand in some counties, they are allowed to use it almost anywhere.

It’s a nasty piece of equipment. I’ve hit it with every top detector. R7, R3, R-Ex, Pro-M
Even my Radenso RC-M. It’s a crap shoot on what you’ll see..... if you see anything

It’s another reason we strongly advise enthusiasts that live in Europe, and other counties, to look at detector specific to their location.

Even though the Radenso, and Genovo look the same, come from the same factory, and share some of the same characteristics, they are 2 different companies with 2 specific specifications on what they are required to do.

The only detector on the market that seems to be marketed for both regions is the Escort Redline EX.
 

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So your country too has quick bought and installed this Mesta...
If you want to see it as a part of paysage came here in France.
They are installing here more and more replacing other old model of Mesta more modests than this one.
The are installed in fixed spots in the national routes and maybe soon in the highway.
Some cabins will be empties (no equipment inside) and because of the glass are reflecting, it is difficult know if the radar is inside or not .
For now they check speed and red light but soon they should check phoning while driving (I can not imagine how they can) and overpass in the right side.
Mesta Fusion and Gatso RT3.
France love drivers.....
 

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We’ve had the Mesta Fusion installed in Edmonton since February 2018. Could’ve been earlier.

Off the top of my head, I can think of about 6 or 7 locations.

We also have mobile MRCD, mobile Dragon eye and Stalker Photo Lidar, and a couple of different manufactures of MRCT at a lot of intersections.

Basically everything new that comes to North America comes through Edmonton first for some reason. It’s like the city has reached out to every manufacturer and invited with a sweetheart deal to use us and gain a huge amount of revenue.
 

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Talking about R1 no MRCD alert at all.
I've got a K band alert at 24.063 Mhz just too close to the radar so useless.
Hi. Thanks for sharing. Yesterday I did some R1 testing too against a traffic camera that constantly alerted at the same frequency 24.063 GHz. Strange coincidence with your results. I don't know what this cam is, because it was detected to the lower limit of R1 and you gave me a good food for thought. Unfortunately I have no Genevo or Radenso to see what they would indicate. Opposite approach detection is just awful, not much time for reaction. A second camera, I happen to come by, wasn't detectable until some 5 meters from behind. Sometimes R1 manage to intercept them a little earlier but still not good enough. It is "K alert and jump on the brakes" funny business. But who does that? Waze is a good second defense tool. RD and App help each other, you never know what would safe you. I always drive with Waze. I count on my RD more for mobile speed traps, albeit R1 could sometimes give us very good results. Well, here's Europe after all and Uniden never honored us with an international model. :( I suggest they would think about it for their future development plans.
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Hi, very strange coincidence with the radar you showed in the post.
Same frequency.
Is it a multaradar?
You say the alert range was not so useful.
I have R1 and genevo One M.
I was satisfied with my R1 but since we got Gatso Radar I realized that it was useless.
I still keep it because of it show the exact frequency of the trap.
Genevo told you the band but not the frequency so you are not sure if it is a false alert or not.
I was able to tell, in my case, K band was at 24.063 Mhz because of Uniden.
With Genevo I never knew that.
A part the absence of the frequency showed on the dispaly I'm satisfied with Genevo One M.
I use a special holder that keep it in vertical position but I discovered that if I hold it in half a way between horizontal and vertical position it get a good range for K band Radar and Gatso.
I will made some search to know what is the radar you share in your post and if I will have some information I'll let you know.
 
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This is just a box but what it contains I could only guess. It might be a MRCD but very low sweeping similar to the one you tested, but this could be speculation without facts. Strange coincadance though. Yeah, this frequency imediately took my attention while reading your results. I assume it's something similar. If you haven't seen the test yet, you can follow the link from the International section, or in Uniden section. There is one more mrcd sweeping higher in frequencies in the uniden range. Unfortunately my dash cam is not set too low to see the R1 but I know well what frequency was. It was always the same at every test run. Genevo is too expensive here. That's a lot of money for a radar detector but who is to blame when they have almost no competition here. If Uniden were present here, it never would have been that way.
 

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If it’s that low, it could only be picking up 1 frequency even if it’s broadcasting more than 1.

Could be switching slow or really fast between 2 frequencies so it looks like 1 solid frequency.

At first I thought it might be Reflex which is something the Unidens will usually only pick up on K wide and TSF off.

We have a new MRCT camera here that looks similar. Here’s what it looks like.
 

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If it’s that low, it could only be picking up 1 frequency even if it’s broadcasting more than 1.

Could be switching slow or really fast between 2 frequencies so it looks like 1 solid frequency.

At first I thought it might be Reflex which is something the Unidens will usually only pick up on K wide and TSF off.

We have a new MRCT camera here that looks similar. Here’s what it looks like.
While everyone appreciates your tireless contributions, can you provide any good news stories about the constant bombardment of new killer tech invading our realm?
LOL, I see the writing on the wall, self driving vehicle with me in the back seat away from the throttle pedal. :violin:
 

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If it’s that low, it could only be picking up 1 frequency even if it’s broadcasting more than 1.

Could be switching slow or really fast between 2 frequencies so it looks like 1 solid frequency.

At first I thought it might be Reflex which is something the Unidens will usually only pick up on K wide and TSF off.

We have a new MRCT camera here that looks similar. Here’s what it looks like.
Who knows... What you say makes sense. It looks similar indeed but no guarantee, the appearance are just boxes.
I didn't mean to do it but as we have already initiated discussion, look what is going on while I was approaching from behind:

Just awful. :( I don't remember if I switched the POP mode on at that moment but even if I didn't (probably), it wouldn't have been much different, only a couple of moments earlier. Not that it doesn't matter. These things also have their limitations to detect and take photos at a close distance.
 
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While everyone appreciates your tireless contributions, can you provide any good news stories about the constant bombardment of new killer tech invading our realm?
LOL, I see the writing on the wall, self driving vehicle with me in the back seat away from the throttle pedal. :violin:
Good news
1. it’s construction season. You can’t drive fast enough to trigger the new toys.
2. It’s only in the city of Edmonton
3. It’s not on the highway yet.
4. I’m excited to see what’s coming next.
5. Driving through the mine field of traps makes it interesting on every drive if you have the right stuff.
 

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Watching your video effectively the detection is very limited.
25-50 meters .
But you have to consider that this radar was pointing in the opposite direction of your drive.
I agree with you about the distance needed for this radar to make photos.
Here in France K band radar triggers at about 50 meters.
Even the Mesta Fusion (It can check multi lane with a range of up to 200 meters) trigger at only 50 meters.
And for the radar pointing toward your car you have the same detection range ?
 

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If you refer to the video in this thread, I don't recall if I was with K-Pop mode turned ON, while passing by that cam, because from my personal tests here obviously POP mode dramatically cuts down the detection range from behind, both K-band cams and MRCD's. If you enable K-filter on top of that, things are going even worse with an alert already in the kill zone. Otherwise with filters off and pop off a 100 m give or take from behind is much better than 10 meters. These are "cunning" speed control measures and if you detect them and you drive over PSL without a car on your tail - brakes! There is no other salvation, every second or milisecond counts.

In addition to this I know that some people around are buying stickers that exactly match the license plate ciphers, put them on the plate and then... :yeahthat: Countermeasures... :mmmhmm:
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So in your country you do have K I/O.
At least in France we don't have that.
Uniden can save you with is sensibility .
I knew the plate stickers but I'm asking if it will be efficiently vs I.R. flash lamp...
 
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So in your country you do have K I/O.
At least in France we don't have that.
Uniden can save you with is sensibility .
As far as I know from officially published information, MPH Bee III is with expired license issued by the sanction body in our country. But it could be prolonged without publication and from my experience most probably was. According to data published it can work at two frequencies: K and Ka bands. But I decided to turn POP's off permanently anyway.

I knew the plate stickers but I'm asking if it will be efficiently vs I.R. flash lamp...
According to the seller of this nano-folio "it works in the infra-red spectrum" and "Cameras with normal or IR flashes would not read your LN, because would see only light reflections". But I've never used that stuff and cannot confirm. If this isn't a scam, it's a relatively cheap additional protection for 3 EUR per cipher in a complete dark somewhere in an unfamiliar place with a hidden camera next to a tree or on a post.
 

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You probably right, @nano. I've heard they were using Siemens here but this was a long time ago. Do you possibly know some specifications for these and which frequency they emit at?
 

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