Motorcycle TPX Lidar (2019) kill options

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Do I sense a test in the future?
Different LiDAR guns, different bikes, hand held vs tripod.
Get a charcoal grey or raw carbon fiber sport bike with tiny led headlight, grey or black leather gear and helmet....
That will challenge any LiDAR gun to up its game.
I think I’ll start small with my LTI against my Road Glide first. Not the fastest, but it’s a start.
 

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Officer: hey there sir, what is that big red button on your handlebar do?
Biker: why officer, that there is my instant kill switch on my uhhh, parking sensors, yeah, the parking sensors, for when uhhhh, you know, parking.... :pino:
 

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Maybe rig up an “Easy” button. Lol.
 

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just tell them it is for the auxiliary lights or some other BS lol
 

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OK so I sent an email to Adaptiv with a copy of header of this post and a link to this Thread.

This is what they replied with:


"Hi Robert,



Thank you for the feedback and the link.



The issue that you've mentioned is definitely something that we've had numerous discussions internally.



We've took everything that you've mentioned and some into consideration and decided on a compromise, which is what we have now.



We had select-able jamming interval and the ability to turn itself back on after auto shut-off kicked in with our previous version of laser jammer, however, based on customer feedback, the select-able jamming interval feature was hardly used (most users just use the default setting of 3 seconds) and people really didn't like having the ability to turn itself on after auto shut off as we've had customers that got pulled over getting a smaller speeding ticket (instead of a big speeding ticket thanks to the jammer) and had the jammer turning back on while the officer is writing them up.



With that said, we will revisit these issues again.



Please keep the comments coming and let us know if you need anything else.

Thank you,

Adaptiv Technologies
www.AdaptivTech.com

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Well I hate to have to disagree with experienced respected members but,
I am an experience motorcyclist. Depending on conditions 3 seconds could pressure you into a panic application of brakes on a risky surface or corner. People with 4 wheels don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that we can't just grab full brake at any moment in time.
Considering the surface, surroundings and road conditions is every driver's responsibility at any speed! So I would think that you would consider that when riding.... what do you do when you get blasted by radar? What about in case of an emergency stop? Out of curiosity, what speeds do you ride in what speed zones? How much are you trying to lose in the 3 seconds?
 

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Considering the surface, surroundings and road conditions is every driver's responsibility at any speed! So I would think that you would consider that when riding.... what do you do when you get blasted by radar? What about in case of an emergency stop? Out of curiosity, what speeds do you ride in what speed zones? How much are you trying to lose in the 3 seconds?
my biggest issue is not seeing the light even when I have it installed next to my detector up high.

So we as motorcyclist have three options.

1:we trust the Auto JTK and trust we can shave enough speed in order to avoid a ticket, this option is great if it is illegal in your state to own or operate jammers .

2: We decide that our personal driving record is more important than pissing off an officer who may or may not go crying to his seargent that a motorcycle using jammers denied him of his bounty.

3: We leave the jammers in test mode and install a power kill switch to just switch it off manually once we reach the correct speed.

I honestly think that the third option is the best, but adding switches to people's bars it is not something everyone wants to do, and it is something you should be able to do with the provided controller.

In addition getting rear ended on a bike is no joke.,
 

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What about an input that you could wire into your brake light wire....... It could be in test mode all the time until you hit the brake while it's jamming at which point it would then go into timed autokill. More time is probably wasted by reaction time to start braking than the actual braking.

If you were to hit the brakes at any time while the unit isn't actively jamming it wouldn't do anything.

Just an idea. Might be a dumb one since i don't ride. :)
 

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In many states, the officer only needs to visually estimate your speed, so he can still pull you over even though he doesnt get a reading. You are probably pissing off more fellow LJ enthusiasts by JTG or JTL (Jamming TOO LONG) than cops. There was a member here who was pulled over since he couldnt get a reading, officer saw the jammers and called them radar jammers (don't remember if a tix was issued) then later showed up at his house to get a better look at them.... yea, I'll do whatever it takes to avoid suspicion and getting pulled over in the first place...
 

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Considering the surface, surroundings and road conditions is every driver's responsibility at any speed! So I would think that you would consider that when riding.... what do you do when you get blasted by radar? What about in case of an emergency stop? Out of curiosity, what speeds do you ride in what speed zones? How much are you trying to lose in the 3 seconds?
Forgive me for sounding offended, but I am.
I'm not some testosterone driven 20 something on a crotch rocket. If you read my earlier posts you would realize an old school noisy 1000 pound touring cruiser with no abs and single disc brakes can't easily scrub 20 or 10 kph in the 2 seconds left after you hopefully notice an alert while watching all the dufus car drivers attempting to maim you.
Same goes for driving my F150 with a travel trailer, 10 kph over and give me lots of time and distance to get things composed.
That's why the R7, for maximum warning.
My travelling speeds? 20 kph (12mph) over is maximum travel rate as fines double after that. 40 kph (24mph) maximum if the world is on fire cause after that fines double again, points double, insurance increases, and your vehicle gets impounded and storage fees are in the thousands.
RCMP traffic duty here are not as willing to let you go if more PSL +10kph.
So the whole request was to allow some flexibility for the user who may not enjoy instant alert due to motorcycle factors, and that not everyone has superbike like brakes and tires.
With so little room for error given on the PSL asking for 2 seconds isn't some sort of sacrilege.
 

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Rather than relying on a light you should add a siren. Communication between CM and driver is imperative, as is driver to vehicle.

How can one discern radar detection if there is no alert, or any knowledge of alert? The same applies for any countermeasure.

When operating my vehicle, I drive to its capabilities, including brakes and tires.
 

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20 or 10 kph in the 2 seconds left after you hopefully notice an alert while watching all the dufus car drivers attempting to maim you.
:roflolmao:
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In many states, the officer only needs to visually estimate your speed, so he can still pull you over even though he doesnt get a reading. You are probably pissing off more fellow LJ enthusiasts by JTG or JTL (Jamming TOO LONG) than cops. There was a member here who was pulled over since he couldnt get a reading, officer saw the jammers and called them radar jammers (don't remember if a tix was issued) then later showed up at his house to get a better look at them.... yea, I'll do whatever it takes to avoid suspicion and getting pulled over in the first place...
Bikes are harder to lock on than cars, even at 5 seconds an officer would not suspect jammers, I would say only about less than 1% of all motorcycles on the road have jammers.

A JTG may raise suspicions, but 5 seconds may not and may be attributed to the smaller size and smaller head lights.

but think about it, giving us only two options will result in some bikers just opting for JTG , if you give me 5 seconds I will gladly leave the auto TJK option AND add a switch in case I need to turn them off faster.
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Rather than relying on a light you should add a siren. Communication between CM and driver is imperative, as is driver to vehicle.

How can one discern radar detection if there is no alert, or any knowledge of alert? The same applies for any countermeasure.

When operating my vehicle, I drive to its capabilities, including brakes and tires.
The jammers do come with an outlet for a speaker or something of sorts, the challenge here is that unless your bike comes with a sounds system (most bikes do not) you would have to now install an audio system just for the jammers, depending on what you have on your bike the electrical system on a bike is not like a car,we have limitations on how much stuff we can plug in before we over load the system and blow up the battery (I blew up the battery a week ago after I installed the jammers and now I can't drive with my aux lights on) adding yet another electrical gizmo to your bike is asking for trouble.

The solution would be to buy another blue tooth sena and install it on the right side of the helmet, install a wireless blue tooth adapter for the TPX and charge both the sena AND the blue tooth adapter plus your regular sena that you use for your phone and music, camera and whatever else you take with you, all this for the remote chance you may get hit with laser on this trip,not worth it.
 
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I love my current setup with the TPX system, Sena SRL2 headset, SM10 BT xmitter, and the bright light. However, four or five seconds auto kill would better suit my driving style and conditions most of the time.

I'm far from 20-something, but I enjoy a good >+50 mph just about daily on our open Midwest roads. If I only needed to scrub of 20 kph then 3 seconds would be fine for my bike.

I do see the point about auto rearming being a potential issue during a roadside chat. Good point from the manufacturer.

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I love my current setup with the TPX system, Sena SRL2 headset, SM10 BT xmitter, and the bright light. However, four or five seconds auto kill would better suit my driving style and conditions most of the time.

I'm far from 20-something, but I enjoy a good >+50 mph just about daily on our open Midwest roads. If I only needed to scrub of 20 kph then 3 seconds would be fine for my bike.

I do see the point about auto rearming being a potential issue during a roadside chat. Good point from the manufacturer.

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I call BS though, who leaves his bike on while in the middle of a traffic stop, I mean I understand cars because of the AC and heater option but the bike will probably be off during the whole interaction, and the TPX will auto turn on when you turn on the bike anyhow.

And they could leave the default at 3 seconds, but there should be an optional 5 seconds and an instant JTK with the press of the power button

edit: I mean the other option is once you start gettting close to PSL start pressing and holding the power button for 2 seconds to bring it to parking mode.
 

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I call BS though, who leaves his bike on while in the middle of a traffic stop, I mean I understand cars because of the AC and heater option but the bike will probably be off during the whole interaction, and the TPX will auto turn on when you turn on the bike anyhow.

And they could leave the default at 3 seconds, but there should be an optional 5 seconds and an instant JTK with the press of the power button

edit: I mean the other option is once you start gettting close to PSL start pressing and holding the power button for 2 seconds to bring it to parking mode.
Well, I would have agreed with you on the turning off the bike during a traffic stop, but now that I own a motorcycle without a key (wireless FOB only), I see things a bit differently. When I shut off my motorcycle with the kill switch or the kickstand, the power stays on, including the accessories (i.e. TPX system and radar detector). I have a different button that I have to push to power off the bike. That button doesn't always turn off the bike if I don't hit it correctly, so it is not uncommon for me to think that I powered off the bike only to see the lights and accessories powered on as I start to walk away. Since I have 25+ years of experience with using the kill switch and yanking the key out of a motorcycle, I am still not used to hitting this extra power off button. It is not uncommon for me to park and start chatting with a friend while my bike is still powered on since I don't have a key to turn and I just forget to hit the extra button.

As more motorcycles move to keyless FOBs, it may become more common that people leave the bikes on longer than expected. As a side note, when you walk away from the bike with the key in your pocket, the bike will timeout and power itself off if the motor is not running.

You are correct that the system will simply power up when you start the bike again, which is nice since I don't want to manage my devices during motorcycle power up and down.

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My bike has a FOB but you still has to turn what looks like a kitchen sink knob lol.

If i get a bigger ticket is not going to be due to my TPX , but rather the huge R7 sitting on top of my handle bars .

Unless it is illegal in your state to own jammers i don't see the issue, most cops don't even know what that TPX controller and light is for anyways, it may be a shift light as far as they know.



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My bike has a FOV but you still has to turn what looks like a kitchen sink knob lol.

If i get a bigger ticket is not going to be due to my TPX , but rather the huge R7 sitting on top of my handle bars .

Unless it is illegal in your state to own jammers i don't see the issue, most cops don't even know what that TPX controller and light is for anyways, it may be a shift light as far as they know.



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You mean like this? LOL!
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Yeah, I've had people ask me if that is a radar detector two fuel pumps over to where i am gassing up
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