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Google maps is starting to let you report speed traps.

How does it compare to Waze?
Think it will become better?
Would they share data eventually?

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I like the UI of Google Maps far more than Waze as far as navigation and searching for restaurants, etc. However, I have noticed a bug where the app may transition you to a slower route; this is unacceptable to me, and if it happens again, I will find an alternative navigation app.

Waze is only useful to me in the CSA feature, and even that feature could use significant refinement in-app. I use it only to report.

Crowd source alerts between the two is not an impossibility, but it is far more useful to pull data from these sources and present them in an easier-to-understand format in another application.
 

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If you have a V1 you can run JBV1 in the background which takes info from Waze and just have google maps up on the screen
 

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If you have a V1 you can run JBV1 in the background which takes info from Waze and just have google maps up on the screen
I have a uniden r7. Unfortunately

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Reading though the questions a couple of times, the last question in particular gives me pause and makes me wonder... @acieman, are you aware that Google has owned Waze since 2013? They already share data between the two and have for some time. Just making sure you know that. :)
 

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Reading though the questions a couple of times, the last question in particular gives me pause and makes me wonder... @acieman, are you aware that Google has owned Waze since 2013? They already share data between the two and have for some time. Just making sure you know that. :)
yeah I do know google owns Waze. But will a report made on Waze show up on google maps. Like 90% of my reports on Waze are Leo. The more people that report the stronger it is. And with any luck, the decreased revenue from tickets will make Leo go harass other people

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yeah I do know google owns Waze. But will a report made on Waze show up on google maps. Like 90% of my reports on Waze are Leo. The more people that report the stronger it is. And with any luck, the decreased revenue from tickets will make Leo go harass other people

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I highly doubt much revenue is being prevented by Waze/Google maps, to be honest. I think radar detectors still have the largest source of revenue denial, and integration with AA will aid in this.
 

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yeah I do know google owns Waze. But will a report made on Waze show up on google maps. Like 90% of my reports on Waze are Leo. The more people that report the stronger it is. And with any luck, the decreased revenue from tickets will make Leo go harass other people
Ok then you also know they began the curated rollout of Waze features being added to Maps back in June of last year, as well, right? :)

I think this has been in place since end of 2018, or the beginning of this year at the latest, has it not? I have not noticed much of an impact either way, myself. I don't disagree with your point that opening it up to more people makes the feature(s) stronger. That sounds logical.

I don't think the complaints from LEO about this are related to lost revenue though, only arguments about officer safety, if I am recalling various articles correctly.
 

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Ok then you also know they began the curated rollout of Waze features being added to Maps back in June of last year, as well, right? :)

I think this has been in place since end of 2018, or the beginning of this year at the latest, has it not? I have not noticed much of an impact either way, myself. I don't disagree with your point that opening it up to more people makes the feature(s) stronger. That sounds logical.

I don't think the complaints from LEO about this are related to lost revenue though, only arguments about officer safety, if I am recalling various articles correctly.
Yeah but admitting they are losing revenue exposes their game. We already know its for revenue not public safety. But they won't admit that publicly

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I do not agree that the motivation is revenue rather than public safety. Police are not tax collectors.

I believe that in general the law enforcement community believes that being visible in clocking speeders and issuing tickets (speeding and otherwise) is an effective method of both administering punishment to law breakers and deterring other potential law breakers, thus increasing their goal of improving overall safety.

While it seems like the data is murky with regards to individual speeders, it does seem like the data is there to support a mentality that if they're out there being visible and enforcing, there is a net positive impact:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15389580601009764

Thus, it seems like their intentions are based sound logic and the revenue is a byproduct.

It's OK if you disagree, but kindly don't confuse your opinion with a shared opinion as you did when you typed "We already know" where it would have been more appropriate to type something like "I believe".
 

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I do not agree that the motivation is revenue rather than public safety. Police are not tax collectors.

I believe that in general the law enforcement community believes that being visible in clocking speeders and issuing tickets (speeding and otherwise) is an effective method of both administering punishment to law breakers and deterring other potential law breakers, thus increasing their goal of improving overall safety.

While it seems like the data is murky with regards to individual speeders, it does seem like the data is there to support a mentality that if they're out there being visible and enforcing, there is a net positive impact:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15389580601009764

Thus, it seems like their intentions are based sound logic and the revenue is a byproduct.

It's OK if you disagree, but kindly don't confuse your opinion with a shared opinion as you did when you typed "We already know" where it would have been more appropriate to type something like "I believe".
Dude , it is 90% revenue, you should do some reading into it, a town in Florida was recently dismantled because they were using their only connecting street to a highway to raise millions to their town of 300 people, the cops had awesome gear, they were using the money to gas their own cars ,and more.

Why do you think small towns jn Georgia sends sheriffs and local cops to the interstates to write tickets? Because the town gets a portion of the money, more more money=more founding=better pay for officials and better facilities/equipment, they can also lower the taxes for local residents so it is a win win

In Virginia a town was fighting the state to get more of the cut from speeding tickets issued at the interstate .



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I believe based on reading that you are interpreting the Florida situation incorrectly and arriving at the wrong conclusion. The case study of Waldo, FL would appear to support my position and refute yours, based on publicly available sources, such as these:


Reading through those articles and others, it would appear the state sent them a clear message that the focus was to be public safety. Sources seem to show that Florida outlawed the quota practice and made it a requirement that any town collecting above 1/3 of the operating costs of their police department must report that to the state so that the state can evaluate the department's practices. It seems clear that Waldo's police force wasn't acting with integrity, as evident by the fact that it when confronted with the entirety of the situation their town council disbanded the force and replaced with enforcement that was focused on the job rather than acting as tax collectors.

Send over citations for your other two examples and we can look at those, too, however you're talking about isolated/edge cases. Bad actors that show up as the exception rather than the rule. The intent is to achieve public safety. Not gather revenue. The revenue is a by product of enforcement.
 
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I believe based on reading that you are interpreting the Florida situation incorrectly and arriving at the wrong conclusion. The case study of Waldo, FL would appear to support my position and refute yours, based on publicly available sources, such as these:


Reading through those articles and others, it would appear the state sent them a clear message that the focus was to be public safety. Sources seem to show that Florida outlawed the quota practice and made it a requirement that any town collecting above 1/3 of the operating costs of their police department must report that to the state so that the state can evaluate the department's practices. It seems clear that Waldo's police force wasn't acting with integrity, as evident by the fact that it when confronted with the entirety of the situation their town council disbanded the force and replaced with enforcement that was focused on the job rather than acting as tax collectors.

Send over citations for your other two examples and we can look at those, too, however you're talking about isolated/edge cases. Bad actors that show up as the exception rather than the rule. The intent is to achieve public safety. Not gather revenue. The revenue is a by product of enforcement.
"over operating cost" well boys we need new dodge challengers! That should get our operating cost up.

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Dude , it is 90% revenue,
I think for most places this is the case - but it's definitely not the case for ALL cases. But still, it's a huge part of revenue for departments - hence the stigma around quotas.
 

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Google maps is starting to let you report speed traps.

How does it compare to Waze?
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google maps suck now but is getting better as it owns waze now. Speedtraps on google are not reported nearly as fast yet as google struggles to intergrate waze.
Waze is best until google maybe gets as good and dissolves waze?
 

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google maps suck now but is getting better as it owns waze now. Speedtraps on google are not reported nearly as fast yet as google struggles to intergrate waze.
Waze is best until google maybe gets as good and dissolves waze?
I hope Waze never gets disolved, I have gotten really used to their UI and I enjoy the cartoonish map
 

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ArkAngel is going to be pulling data from both sources :).
As of now I’m running The TomTom app on CarPlay for GPS and Waze on the phone for reports (IOS 13 allows this).
I’m looking forward to ArkAngel running on the phone.
 
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