Why? (2 Viewers)

[rut]

Why is it valentine, with an app of course, have a signal marked out and have a signal of the same frequency alert. I don't understand why the R7 doesn't do this..this is one of the many reasons I believe this detector is so refined. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Windstrings]

Rut, I'm not sure what all you're running with your valentine but if your running yav1 with direction enabled it's easy to have a frequency blocked out going one direction while it's not yet locked out while entering the area from another.

It's also possible to get intermittent weaker bounces from other objects on the other side of the road making the "same frequency" appear to come from a different direction.
The nature of them being intermittent prevents them from being locked out, and if they ever do make it to lockout status, they can become unlocked.

I deal with those by manually locking.

I also have my manual lockout # (# of passes without signal before will unlock) set some redicilous high # so they can't easily be unlocked.

If I misunderstood your question or your using another app, this may not help.

 

[barry]

rut,
Have you seen this post from @johnboy00?
barry

I don't comment on other apps anymore, but I'll explain how JBV1 does lockouts:

1) They're really tight to begin with (+/- 8 MHz by default *)
2) Auto frequency drift compensation
3) Auto punch through when signal is suddenly stronger than "normal" **
4) Auto punch through on analysis of signal orientation, strength, and ramp relative to lockout location **
5) Only one signal at a time may use any one lockout, with user-selectable algorithms for conflict resolution **

* Adjustable
** Can be disabled

 

[rut]

I guess What I was trying to say is I love the way v1 with an app is able to identify a signal that is the same as the one you have locked out previously and will notify you of the other signal that is present that is or could be the same signal . Being able to adjust lock out signal drift.. things the v1 does with the app I feel a r7 should be able to do.

 

[Brainstorm69]

Why is it valentine, with an app of course, have a signal marked out and have a signal of the same frequency alert. I don't understand why the R7 doesn't do this..this is one of the many reasons I believe this detector is so refined. Any thoughts on this?

Hmmm...could it perhaps be that it's because the apps are made by enthusiasts (thanks @johnboy00 and @mswlogo!) for enthusiasts? And by the way, it's not the detector that is so refined with respect to lock-outs, it's the app that's so refined. Without the app, Mike V wouldn't even provide lock-out functionality and doesn't believe in it. Unless he's just being disingenuous and the real reason is he won't do so because of Escort's patents.

Uniden, on the other hand, is making a detector that while it has many enthusiast features because they have listened to us, is really marketed to a large group of non-enthusiast radar detector users, probably not 1 in 10,000 of which care about this issue. We enthusiasts tend to forget that most people who use detectors don't care about the issues we do, and that radar detector manufacturers have to be more concerned about what the masses want.

 

[rut]

Not being able to utilize lockouts like the enthusiasts app is going to get someone a ticket with the masses lockout. Don't get me wrong I like my R7 I just don't feel as safe in a k band infested lockout area..

 

[studio1930]

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-Studio1930

 

[BlueV1]

I share the sentiment.
We've talked about the filtering processes of the Radenso and Escort units. We've talked about the benefits of app use with V1s.

Uniden announced the R7 and in 2019 I was hoping for something more advanced and "smart" for $600.
What I see instead is what I feel is a consumer level appliance that might be designed to be replaced in 2-3 years. I see a device that was hurriedly designed and that clearly has QC issues still.
I see a device that isn't as good as advertised. Over-hyped, but does that one trick of great range really well.

As mentioned by the Radenso guys, we are settling for junk these days.

For $600 I'd like to see it do everything a V1 or Escort can do and add in some of the Radenso style filtering we've heard about or experienced.
I'd like to see great build quality and fewer failures after a mere 3 months. (3 cases of loose screws and at least one bad power supply so far out of possibly 60-100 units from regular members here)
It's not like Uniden is a start-up company!

 

[Brainstorm69]

Not being able to utilize lockouts like the enthusiasts app is going to get someone a ticket with the masses lockout. Don't get me wrong I like my R7 I just don't feel as safe in a k band infested lockout area..

That's possible. Why don't you just use your V1?

 

[Windstrings]

On that note, we found that we had to place limits on just how detailed enthusiast were able to tweak with the yav1 app.

Give people too much latitude, it starts becoming a tech support nightmare educating everyone, re-reminding & re-education those that forgot.

Making a manual can confuse more than it helps!

That time & cost pulls resources from the vendor which must be passed to the buyer with higher pricing.

Some things are best left hidden

In reality, no one is going to build an enthusiast only detector "not cost effective" but apps can be used or not and people don't even want to pay for those as they want everything for nothing!

Even amongst enthusiast, there are many teirs and comfort zones based on skill, passion & experience.

Example... Whether app, or integrated into one unit, some experienced users will never even try apps or detectors with complicated settings, while others want more.

The R7 is already complicated enough that the general public is totally lost as to the best setup with reasons why.

Like I said, @Vortex is giving a valuable resource that without his videos would leave vendors at a loss as they really help mediate the bridge between technology and the masses or even those who like to call themselves enthusiast.
His videos were originally birthed out of Yav1 confusions.

I'm thankful Uniden had the brass to jump into this endeavor as deep as they have to make a single unit that does so much without glitches.


Giving users latitude to change frequency drift is a dicey business risk.

You set that too tight and the detector can start feeling like it's a piece of garbage bc it will appear its forgetting established lockouts as ambient temperatures rise and weather alters the physics of bounce, drift & distance.

Set it too wide and you have xxxx company that wants it idiot proof at the expense of a clean mean machine so they can run budget tech support and less quality control without being noticed.

After having several years to "mature" in this hobby, I've discovered enthusiast can get totally hell-bent and lose perspective about what really matters in their attempt to be totally concerned about what really matters!

That make sense?

A common issue with engineers and detailed oriented people.

The big picture is... Which features allows relaxed driving with peace of mind?

I guess if you like to drive 30 mph above the speed limit, no one will be relaxed!

That means not constantly having to babysit the mute button and know that you'll always know where leo is at... At least any that are in the strike zone!

 

[Windstrings]

Not being able to utilize lockouts like the enthusiasts app is going to get someone a ticket with the masses lockout. Don't get me wrong I like my R7 I just don't feel as safe in a k band infested lockout area..

I agree it's a hassle... Why I won't get one of these yet for my wife.

At least it has the low speed lockout, that takes care of home Depot type parking lots and such "unless they are on the edge of a freeway"

 

[Windstrings]

That's possible. Why don't you just use your V1?

I hate the idea of buying another unit every several years too...
Welcome to technology! Consider our cellphones!

In all fairness, it is nice to run one unit that just keeps getting better, smoother & sweeter, but sooner or later that Model A gets old!

But the price "no planned obsolescence" is:
1. Slow updates! Especially if hardware related as you have to send in. Even with firmware in V1's case.
2. Limited features & technology "without major hardware changes, the box only holds so much before its antiquated"
And where would V1 be today without an app & added device? Isn't that added device like another unit? Worse, you have to use both at same time.
3. No hand-me-downs to pass to your kids! Lol!

Companies would go broke if we could buy a unit and never have to update again....while the vendor continues research and development!

 

[mbsl500]

Why is it valentine, with an app of course, have a signal marked out and have a signal of the same frequency alert. I don't understand why the R7 doesn't do this..this is one of the many reasons I believe this detector is so refined. Any thoughts on this?

The V1 is not refined, it's apps are.
The apps are simply performing all the functions the V1 is not capable of doing on it's own.
Not a slam on V1...just a fact.

 

[Windstrings]

It's not like Uniden is a start-up company!

That's a bit demeaning.... But I understand you mean they have resources to do what they want...
(can't piss off or scare investors or those resources go bye bye!)

Seriously consider..... Arrows ALONE almost double the hardware mfg price of a detector and make engineering the two to work in harmony even harder!

See any other detectors out there with arrows that cost 300 bucks?

OK, V1 is 450, but remember that's just the detector...... No configured app, no extra device with mounting hardware, no Bluetooth module.... not to mention even if it were included, the hassle of mounting and running both at same time!

Uniden has so many things in one box!
What everyone has been screaming for for years!

Even if auto-lockouts never appear, you still got your money's worth IMO. V1 has no auto-lockouts either at that price.

Comparing with the other mfg out there that does have auto-lockouts? Now you have far less of an enthusiast detector with less range and chattier and they charge for every tiny thing!
However they prob have a high profit margin catering more to the masses..... Let's not make Uniden jealous to revert to their methods!

If we are the enthusiast we say we are, auto-lockouts shouldn't be a game changer.

I want it all too, I trust it will come.
I believe the firmware may even be ready, just can't flip the switch due to no legal greenlight yet?

Meanwhile, I have to get something for my wife!..... Profit lost!

 

[BlueV1]

The V1 is not refined, it's apps are.
The apps are simply performing all the functions the V1 is not capable of doing on it's own.
Not a slam on V1...just a fact.

That's a good point. How many actually know what a current V1 does on its own?
There are built in K-band filters for the rear horn and TMF2. The newest competition might benefit from rear horn filtering.

With K-band seemingly on the rise, it could be helpful to test some of these features.

-- Double Post Merged: Jul 3, 2019 --​

V1 is 450, but remember that's just the detector

If we are being accurate; it was $399 without the Bluetooth device. We'll see what happens to the price in the future.

 

[johnboy00]

Everything in the RD severely limits what you can do with the RD, practically speaking. There are far fewer constraints when the RD and an Internet-connected, miniature supercomputer, with gobs of memory+storage and a built-in touchscreen display, work together as a system that can interface with your car audio system or headset.

 

[Windstrings]

Everything in the RD severely limits what you can do with the RD, practically speaking. There are far fewer constraints when the RD and an Internet-connected, miniature supercomputer, with gobs of memory+storage and a built-in touchscreen display, work together as a system that can interface with your car audio system or headset.

Agreed, it's quite glorious if you're geeky enough to maintain a nice big screen with lots of options!

But I'm intrigued with the even greater ranges of the R7... Seeing 4 freqs at once is more than enough for me, and it's nice to have one "go to Spot" for my eyeballs when split second decisions are being made. I also am Pleased with the options offered and I expect even more will come.
I don't even need my C-50 anymore!
And firmware update abilities never expire and are free without subscriptions of which I hate.

But I'm also a tad irritated at the 1/2 to 1.5 sec bluetooth delay I experience with my V1.

I would love to pass my V1 setup to my wife but it's more than she can handle.

I would hate myself if I got her the 360C then then R7 got auto-lockouts!
It would be hard to get rid of without a serious loss after that!

 

[johnboy00]

Agreed, it's quite glorious if you're geeky enough to maintain a nice big screen with lots of options!

But I'm intrigued with the even greater ranges of the R7... Seeing 4 freqs at once is more than enough for me, and it's nice to have one "go to Spot" for my eyeballs when split second decisions are being made. I also am Pleased with the options offered and I expect even more will come.
I don't even need my C-50 anymore!
And firmware update abilities never expire and are free without subscriptions of which I hate.

But I'm also a tad irritated at the 1/2 to 1.5 sec bluetooth delay I experience with my V1.

I would love to pass my V1 setup to my wife but it's more than she can handle.

I would hate myself if I got her the 360C then then R7 got auto-lockouts!
It would be hard to get rid of without a serious loss after that!

No app-less RD can show 4 frequencies at once. Perhaps you meant 4 bands at once, but only 1 frequency. There are apps that have an even better "go-to spot" and still show you the frequencies of all detected signals.

Not having to do firmware updates (because nothing is broken) is great, too.

There's hardly any delay with an LE dongle.

What you're really saying is, that which is all inside the R7 is good enough for you. I can't argue with that. However, it's not good enough for me (not even close).

 

[Dukes]

No app-less RD can show 4 frequencies at once. Perhaps you meant 4 bands at once, but only 1 frequency. There are apps that have an even better "go-to spot" and still show you the frequencies of all detected signals.

Not having to do firmware updates (because nothing is broken) is great, too.

There's hardly any delay with an LE dongle.

What you're really saying is, that which is all inside the R7 is good enough for you. I can't argue with that. However, it's not good enough for me (not even close).

Sure nothing is currently "broken" but remote firmware updates would be an excellent addition to the V1. Especially with newer modulated threats appearing, it would be nice since apps cannot give you MRCD/CT detection.

 

[johnboy00]

Sure nothing is currently "broken" but remote firmware updates would be an excellent addition to the V1. Especially with newer modulated threats appearing, it would be nice since apps cannot give you MRCD/CT detection.

You can't just add proper MRCD detection with firmware. Anyway, that's presently a non-issue where most people live and drive.