How much would you pay for a new V1?

How much would you pay for a new v3.8952 V1 and BT module?

  • $450 (approximately the "current" price)

    Votes: 30 25.4%
  • $500 (approximately $50 more)

    Votes: 11 9.3%
  • $550 (approximately $100 more)

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • $600 (approximately $150 more)

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • $650 (approximately $200 more)

    Votes: 6 5.1%
  • I have no interest in purchasing a V1 if it remains v3.8952

    Votes: 63 53.4%

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There are at least a few threads where the differences in lidar sensors are visibly shown.
The lens on the front of a V1 is about the size of a nickel. (The back sensor is the size of a pea.)

The R7 depends on a single light pipe on top that routes down to the single sensor on the board. (I've pointed out a small sensor facing forward in the same area, but no one to my knowledge has found it to detect lidar.)

What this, and other design cues says to me is that the R7 was not intended to be mounted against the headliner. It also doesn't come with a straight cord. There's more, but this thread isn't the place.
 

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Zero as is...


I would be interested in r7+ performance w/ user updatable firmware, onboard jbv1 features, gps & onboard PLS database...
That's going to be a bloody huge detector to fit that level of screen info on.
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I sell V1 in China.
Doesn't using detectors/jammers in China carry a death sentence?
 
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How do you source your V1s? Do you buy direct from Valentine? Can you explain your relationship with Valentine Research? And the other vendor's whose radar detectors you sell?
V1 has no agent and can only be purchased on official website
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That's going to be a bloody huge detector to fit that level of screen info on.
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Doesn't using detectors/jammers in China carry a death sentence?
Radar detectors can be sold publicly in China, which is not explicitly prohibited. Very few of them may be confiscated by the police. No other penalties
 
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V1 has no agent and can only be purchased on official website
No issues buying multiple units? Always “heard” they didn’t like that.
 

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Radar detectors can be sold publicly in China, which is not explicitly prohibited. Very few of them may be confiscated by the police. No other penalties
I was being facetious. It's Nth Korea that executes people for watching southern TV.
 

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Looking at this historically:

Hardware Version 1.6:
1.36 - First model, no superwide Ka Band detection (covers 34.2 to 35.2 GHz only), no laser detection; $299 MSRP

Hardware Version 1.7:
2.391 - new case, same horn, additional logic board (for laser), front laser sensor, super wideband Ka coverage; Cost of laser sensing V1 $399 MSRP

Hardware Version 2.0:
4.103 - new case, new combined analog/digital display, same horn, new board featuring FGA, front laser sensor, super wideband Ka coverage; better nuisance filtering. Cost of new designs and patents. Retirement fund. $499 MSRP.
 
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I want to sell my MAX 360 and purchase a V1
When they return savvy and BT
 

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The V1s up there with the best ones I don't have one but no son loves his one I don't mind Paying I bit more if it's good but like most people wage does not go up but like all other things do shit it pisses me off
 
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There are at least a few threads where the differences in lidar sensors are visibly shown.
The lens on the front of a V1 is about the size of a nickel. (The back sensor is the size of a pea.)

The R7 depends on a single light pipe on top that routes down to the single sensor on the board. (I've pointed out a small sensor facing forward in the same area, but no one to my knowledge has found it to detect lidar.)

What this, and other design cues says to me is that the R7 was not intended to be mounted against the headliner. It also doesn't come with a straight cord. There's more, but this thread isn't the place.
I am a big Uniden fan, but that sure is a half-assed attempt at laser detection on the R7. The V1 is the only RD that has a usable rear laser sensor (instead of a lossy light pipe) and I have actually picked up laser from behind with it. And yes, I am well aware that you should have "parking sensors" if you see laser on a regular basis.

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Looking at this historically:

Hardware Version 1.6:
1.36 - First model, no superwide Ka Band detection (covers 34.2 to 35.2 GHz only), no laser detection; $299 MSRP

Hardware Version 1.7:
2.391 - new case, same horn, additional logic board (for laser), front laser sensor, super wideband Ka coverage; Cost of laser sensing V1 $399 MSRP

Hardware Version 2.0:
4.103 - new case, new combined analog/digital display, same horn, new board featuring FGA, front laser sensor, super wideband Ka coverage; better nuisance filtering. Cost of new designs and patents. Retirement fund. $499 MSRP.
You left out versions 1.8X of which 1.86 is the current version.

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You left out versions 1.8X of which 1.86 is the current version.

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Yes, I did that deliberately. I'm only noting the points in time where Valentine increased their price. There was no price change between 1.7 --> 1.8x. No major hardware updates were done (granted some improvements and simplifications for manufacture, but basically the same hardware. Software improvements were handled by cheap Earl Scheib priced software upgrades).

I believe a price hike will occur going to the new hardware platform (FPGA & digital display & support for image analysis).
 

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I am a big Uniden fan, but that sure is a half-assed attempt at laser detection on the R7. The V1 is the only RD that has a usable rear laser sensor (instead of a lossy light pipe) and I have actually picked up laser from behind with it. And yes, I am well aware that you should have "parking sensors" if you see laser on a regular basis.
I seem to recall the Radenso folks (Jon, I think) addressing this topic and basically pointing out that the laser detection is not now and will pretty much never be anything more than a marketing checkbox. It’s something they basically have to include, table stakes, but its effectiveness even in the best possible circumstances is questionable, and the investment it would take to both detect all guns and filter out false would add nothing but unwelcome cost increases. All for something that would still function primarily as a ticket notifier.

Yes, it would be neat to have ALP-like sensitivity and filtering in a windshield mount detector. But I know I personally wouldn’t want to pay for it, and outside a handful of enthusiasts around here the broader detector market of buyers absolutely would not pay for it. So they don’t bother. They’d rather sink those costs into better BSM filtering and other detector features that would help them stand apart or at least put them consistently at the top of the radar detector heap. I honestly can’t blame them.
 

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I seem to recall the Radenso folks (Jon, I think) addressing this topic and basically pointing out that the laser detection is not now and will pretty much never be anything more than a marketing checkbox. It’s something they basically have to include, table stakes, but its effectiveness even in the best possible circumstances is questionable, and the investment it would take to both detect all guns and filter out false would add nothing but unwelcome cost increases. All for something that would still function primarily as a ticket notifier.

Yes, it would be neat to have ALP-like sensitivity and filtering in a windshield mount detector. But I know I personally wouldn’t want to pay for it, and outside a handful of enthusiasts around here the broader detector market of buyers absolutely would not pay for it. So they don’t bother. They’d rather sink those costs into better BSM filtering and other detector features that would help them stand apart or at least put them consistently at the top of the radar detector heap. I honestly can’t blame them.
i say invest more in signal filters and leave laser detection out of the unit :(
 

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i say invest more in signal filters and leave laser detection out of the unit :(
While many would say that laser detection on a non-jammer system is just a "ticket notifier", it's generally agreed that the V1 has the best chance among dash-mounted units to pick up LIDAR scatter. Why would Mike V. give up that advantage?
 

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While many would say that laser detection on a non-jammer system is just a "ticket notifier", it's generally agreed that the V1 has the best chance among dash-mounted units to pick up LIDAR scatter. Why would Mike V. give up that advantage?
Mike never would as he did it best. In all my years I think I may have been saved by v1 catching scatter but that was many moons ago and now i rely on waze for laser... If i'm in rural nowhere and waze members are few and far between I just stay within 10 of the speed limit.
 

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I seem to recall the Radenso folks (Jon, I think) addressing this topic and basically pointing out that the laser detection is not now and will pretty much never be anything more than a marketing checkbox. It’s something they basically have to include, table stakes, but its effectiveness even in the best possible circumstances is questionable, and the investment it would take to both detect all guns and filter out false would add nothing but unwelcome cost increases. All for something that would still function primarily as a ticket notifier.

Yes, it would be neat to have ALP-like sensitivity and filtering in a windshield mount detector. But I know I personally wouldn’t want to pay for it, and outside a handful of enthusiasts around here the broader detector market of buyers absolutely would not pay for it. So they don’t bother. They’d rather sink those costs into better BSM filtering and other detector features that would help them stand apart or at least put them consistently at the top of the radar detector heap. I honestly can’t blame them.
Except that it's saved me a couple of times, let's say $200. How much cheaper would a V1 be without laser capability? I'd say not $200
 

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Except that it's saved me a couple of times, let's say $200. How much cheaper would a V1 be without laser capability? I'd say not $200
Maybe, and that’s a hard maybe, it might have saved you a couple of times over many years. But the number one complaint about the V1 laser sensor is the falses since it appears to have little to no filtering. So it’s great that it picks up laser better than others, but when various LED brake lights set it off or red neon light signs, etc, what appeal it has goes down the drain for most people. I’ve had my R3 crap itself (and cause me to nearly do the same) several times in the middle of nowhere, alerting on laser for no discernible reason and causing a fully unnecessary brake pedal stomp and startled adrenaline dump. So I disabled the laser detection altogether. Guess what? I did the same thing on the V1 :)

For laser detection to be effective, in addition to raw sensitivity (which the V1 is best at among current windshield mount detectors), it needs two things: 1) Detect all guns, even in VPR mode, and 2) filter out any false alerts. If it can’t do both, with the level of sensitivity required to provide even the snowball’s chance at a scatter save, then for me it’s not worth having.
 

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Compared to my older V1 that would respond to neon taillights, etc. the newer models no longer do that. I have a 3.8945 from 2016. The 3.894 should be the same.

Also, I used to be able to test my V1 laser detection with a standard IR remote. The same remote has no effect on my 2016 model.
 
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