T-1 Year until the GPS Auto-lockout Patent Expires

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According to Google Patents, the anticipated expiration for the "Radar warning receiver with position and velocity sensitive functions" or '905 patent is 06-14-2020, 1 year from today.

I know many were hoping/expecting it to expire today (20 years from the Priority Date of the patent) but it looks like the application filed on 06-14-1999 was a provisional patent (application number ending in "P"). From my limited understanding of patent law, once you file a provisional patent you have one year to supply additional data/claims at which point it converts to a full application and the 20 year clock starts. (If someone has a better understanding of patent law, please feel free to expand upon this).
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Compare this with the Hoyt/Fleming patent, which claims priority to an application filed 04-04-1999. Since this was not a provisional patent, the clock ran out on 04-14-2019, 20 years from the application date.
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So one year left on their auto-lockout exclusivity, then anyone is free to implement it. We know the R7 was designed with this capability in mind, and all of the remote detectors should be able to have it added either via a HW update to the CPU or a firmware update. I'd expect any detector mid-tier or higher that is released from now on will be designed for GPS auto-lockouts as well, even if it will require a FW update after the patent expires to activate.

What changes do you expect to see in the coming year due to this expiration?
 

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That sad to hear, but glad the patent will be ending. I'm just hoping for some computer guy to crack the bin files and give use early access to this feature, or for Uniden, with there expert website management skills, to accidentally post the auto-lockout firmware.
 

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Yes, I definitely need someone more familiar with the Patent process to weigh in on this. When I look it up on the Patent Office (https://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair)
I see this:

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Which to me reads like they got their expiration date extended to 2023 (12-30-2023, essentially 2024).
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Interesting. I thought it was 'promised' by Uniden (or people speaking on their behalf), that the auto-locks out feature was to be released this summer at some point. I wonder if someone did not fully research this issue, or if there is a loophole somewhere. I am sure we will find out soon enough.
 

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Interesting. I thought it was 'promised' by Uniden (or people speaking on their behalf), that the auto-locks out feature was to be released this summer at some point. I wonder if someone did not fully research this issue, or if there is a loophole somewhere. I am sure we will find out soon enough.
I think it was just people assuming based off the filing date, but I'm not sure that really anyone here at RDF knows the true expiration date.
 

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I may need to ask my patents brethren at work.
 

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Interesting. I thought it was 'promised' by Uniden (or people speaking on their behalf), that the auto-locks out feature was to be released this summer at some point. I wonder if someone did not fully research this issue, or if there is a loophole somewhere. I am sure we will find out soon enough.
I'm wondering too. I was definitely told by Uniden that it should be released right about now and assumed that they were pretty sure as far as release dates and patents. That said, there's still the pending lawsuits as far as lockouts so this stuff can get kind of muddy. It'd be good to hear from someone who's more familiar with patents, expirations, extensions, and all that jazz.
 

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I think it was just people assuming based off the filing date, but I'm not sure that really anyone here at RDF knows the true expiration date.
To my knowledge Vortex was told by Uniden it would be released this summer, and it is mentioned in one of his videos if I am not mistaken as well. However, you 'can't shoot the messenger' as you would figure a company as well known and large as Uniden would have done their due diligence in regards to when it expires and when they can implement it into their units. Again, only time will tell and hopefully some clarification by Uniden. Personally it does not bother me, I don't use the Autolock outs on my Escort, so even if the R7 had them I would not use them.
 

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It depends on which one is actually valid for the auto lockout feature. So far I have seen three. One says it expires 2019. One says 2020. And another says 2033. I am a part of a couple of design patents and they are very hard to understand and we leave it to our lawyers to tell us, but to me, it seems like patent US6670905B1 is the correct one and doesn’t expire until 06/14/2020.
 
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lol fml this was one of the factors of me selling my r3...Then again uniden has lawyers on their team, perhaps they know more...
 

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I concur that 6-14-2020 is the correct date. Sorry for any confusion.

The '905 patent was filled on 3-15-2002. Typically, the expiration date is 20 years after that, unless the patent office adjusts it for some reason. There was some Patent Term Adjustments where they added and then subtracted 774 days, essentially making no adjustment.

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Originally, Escort filed this patent in the European Patent office and the US Patent office, as part of an effort for a world wide patent, on 6-14-2000.

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At some point, they withdrew their application from the European office, and just submitted it to the US patent office.
Again, sorry for the confusion. (I did learn a little more about patents, ha ha)
 

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I'm wondering too. I was definitely told by Uniden that it should be released right about now and assumed that they were pretty sure as far as release dates and patents. That said, there's still the pending lawsuits as far as lockouts so this stuff can get kind of muddy. It'd be good to hear from someone who's more familiar with patents, expirations, extensions, and all that jazz.
They were a little over a year into the litigation with Escort over the GPS patents when the R7 was announced, so hopefully Uniden (via their lawyers) had a thorough understanding of the patents relevant to this case. Maybe there is something we're missing regarding the claims in the '905 patent, or the Fleming patent, or some other wrinkle that Uniden figured would be settled by now? Hopefully we'll get some official clarification on this soon.

If they are planning on releasing the auto-lockout update this summer, I would hope the beta testers are already hard at work on it. Auto-lockouts are something that you really need to get right or else risk getting a ticket, and since it is a new feature for Attowave/Uniden they would require extensive testing to be confident their implementation is sound.
 
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Given the judge's decision that Uniden waited too long to file their Inter Partes Review, disallow Uniden's rebuttal to Escort's Patent construction, and order either an arbitration discussion or a schedule to move forward by June 23rd, it might be a good time to put auto-lockouts on hold.

We've been warned of impact of the Escort vs NoLimits setlement
Everyone here will be paying more for every detector on the market from every brand going forward as a result of this.
I wonder if Jon saw some writing on the wall after the judge issued his decision against Uniden.
 

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Just as Jon has stated.

Sometimes it’s not the right thing, but the best thing given the circumstances and cost long term
 

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It is insane that this was even allowed to be a valid patent.
I can see patenting a GPS inside another device, but to be able to patent a simple coding function is insane and illogical.
If others can have a GPS inside their detector then there obviously is no patent on that, so to not allow a simple coding function for existing hardware/capability makes zero sense.

If Uniden was smart, they would open source their detectors and let the community add whatever software functions they want on their own without an patent restrictions.
 

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I would have guessed they would get it extended, even if they had to improve it to get the extra time/coverage. Guess not?
 

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