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Not only that, but if you have 5-6 cars around you and most of you are doing over 10 over. If you get a laser alert from a direct hit and slow down... and the cars around you are not slowing down, the cop is going to go after a car that isn't slowing down.
Well my friend I have shot the V1, Max360, 360c and Pro m with the PL3 and DET from 100’, 300’ and all the way to 1000’ and zero of them alerted unless I had a direct hit on them. And by direct hit I mean shooting the windshield. It made no difference what the distance was the results were the same. Now at very close range I could tell you how many feet away each detector would sound off but either way once you got more than a 1-2’ away from the detector it would not alert anymore. Heck the R7 needed a 100” direct hit to alert. So this magic scatter alert eludes me. I just don’t see how it’s possible unless you guys are thinking it ricochets. :)

In my personal opinion people who claim a scatter save actually got hit and just didn’t get pulled over. Not ruling out an extremely rare unicorn scatter save but I just highly doubt it’s common at all.

I want to add to this also. There are times when doing ALP testing I would randomly have different Radar Detectors in my car. Sometimes my V1 and other times my Max360. There are many times when the shooter would just hit my grill to test my set up and those detectors would not go off. I’m telling you they require a pretty close to direct hit to alert. I’m also telling you in my testing the worst at detection is by far the R series.
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Perhaps this will help.

Some are coming from the idea that an app is augmenting features that aren't present in the current V1.

Some of us are coming from the point of view that apps can do more than any stand-alone detector. Simple things such as changing your lockout radius and tolerance per lockout (or even move a lockout on a map) up to multiple types of alerts on a live map that detectors don't even have the hardware for.

Once you've gotten a taste of that, it really doesn't matter much what built-in features a detector has or doesn't have.
If it had GPS for example, we'd turn it off if possible or ignore it's presence in the apps.
Unless it can do what the app does, we'd rather turn that feature off on the detector.

As @DrHow has referred to it, the WS device is mostly just the sensors and the apps are the brains.
Brother if it was that awesome all detector companies would do it. It’s not that hard. Just saying. :)

Listening to what the biggest complaint about the DSP is? The app. Lol
 
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Brother if it was that awesome all detector companies would do it. It’s not that hard. Just saying. :)

Listening to what the biggest complaint about the DSP is? The app. Lol
This is your response??? Disappointing.
You are judging all apps on what sounds like a poor performing DSP app?

We'd love it if ANY other company had an open API model! Choices are good for everyone.

It IS awesome, but not monetarily worthwhile for consumer companies.
In a few discussions it has been said by one or both of the Radenso guys that it's not monetarily worth catering to us enthusiasts because we represent such a small market share. In essence, detectors are generally designed for Joe Average Consumer, not us. (I would argue with supporting ideas that Uniden definitely has the same philosophy. But I would do so in a different thread.)
Radenso team, feel free to state it appropriately in your own words if you wish. I don't want to represent you incorrectly. :)

Have you been so prejudiced against apps that you've never even seen what we are talking about here? If so, your opinion is even less valid. Also, you don't know how hard it is or isn't... You are just talking.

So many times I have asked you to elaborate on your statements. Give supporting evidence of WHY you think the things you say. It's the difference between noise and something valuable. You've had many opportunities in this very thread. Oh, well...

For those that are open minded and want to see some real examples of what we think is awesome: (These are just a few of the easily found images and videos on RDF.)


 

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This is your response??? Disappointing.
You are judging all apps on what sounds like a poor performing DSP app?

We'd love it if ANY other company had an open API model! Choices are good for everyone.

It IS awesome, but not monetarily worthwhile for consumer companies.
In a few discussions it has been said by one or both of the Radenso guys that it's not monetarily worth catering to us enthusiasts because we represent such a small market share. In essence, detectors are generally designed for Joe Average Consumer, not us. (I would argue with supporting ideas that Uniden definitely has the same philosophy. But I would do so in a different thread.)
Radenso team, feel free to state it appropriately in your own words if you wish. I don't want to represent you incorrectly. :)

Have you been so prejudiced against apps that you've never even seen what we are talking about here? If so, your opinion is even less valid. Also, you don't know how hard it is or isn't... You are just talking.

So many times I have asked you to elaborate on your statements. Give supporting evidence of WHY you think the things you say. It's the difference between noise and something valuable. You've had many opportunities in this very thread. Oh, well...

For those that are open minded and want to see some real examples of what we think is awesome: (These are just a few of the easily found images and videos on RDF.)


You are so angry it’s actually hilarious at this point. I love an infusion of humor once in a while anyway. Thank you for that.

I have been very specific for you on many occasions. Let me try to Miley Cyrus this for you.

I don’t want to have to use an app ever. I have tried all the apps for the V1. ALL OF THEM. IMHO it sucks if you have to use them. I’m not flying an aircraft I am driving a car. I don’t want to have to use an app. Certainly at this point you understand this.

Now getting back to my original point and not very many people would argue with this except you diehards. Without the apps the V1 is useless. It 1990s technology. That’s my opinion. I could buy 500 of them if I wanted to. Do you understand this? Am I getting through? I believe even Miley Cyrus would understand everything I wrote up above. Well ..... maybe not her but you get my point. The V1 is being left behind. I do not understand why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. I truly truly don’t. It doesn’t bother me. Next year Redenso or some other company might completely destroy anything Uniden has or NetRadar. I will celebrate that. And if there are any diehard Uniden fan boys kicking and screaming and making up excuses I will call them out for that also. At some point in time there must’ve been a great company making buggy whips. Sooner or later they became obsolete. Certainly you understand obsolescence? If anything just the distance problem makes it obsolete. But there are plenty other detectors that have the same distance the V1 has and they don’t have to use an app. So there we go again. Back to the topic of this thread. Apps. Besides this is all about VR and not what’s best. I’m completely convinced of that at this point. If Mike V comes out with a completely new product in the near future you boys will drop the V1 like a hot potato and switch. It won’t even be a discussion. You’ll just do it. That’s because you love valentine more than you do capabilities. That’s also my opinion.

So if you love apps so much then what you’re telling me is if next year Uniden ( or any company for that matter) maintains its number one status for detection range but also creates the ability to interact with some cool app you will switch to them solely for that reason? In order for you to stay consistent with your argument your answer will have to be yes.

At least we are making progress here. We’ve got all these pages on this thread and no one is reporting anyone or PMing mods. There’s something to be said for that.

Edit- cools pictures by the way. Thanks for posting them.
 
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One thing about the app and having a phone, my V1 sits above my RVM and just kind of exists. I have JBV1 set up so arrows and sound comes from the V1 and voice announcements come from my Pioneer head unit.. So I kind of look at the V1 as a black box that is just sitting there... Personally, I'd love to see Johnboy hook up with Mike Valentine and incorporate his JBV1 program into the V1 with a nice, clear, display and make it on the fly upgrade-able via WiFi/USB. Bit until that happens, running JBV1 and Daze on a phone is easy for me. I'm a big fan of simplicity but not at the expense of usefulness and capability and while I'm not a super tweaker, I don't even use boxes yet, I like the ability to be able to tweak if I want to. An open API is paramount to this which is why I support V1 and JohnBoy. I get it that we are probably a small segment of the users but even still the other companies would encourage support of their fine products by opening up the API and I don't thing it would hurt their sales at all.
 

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One thing about the app and having a phone, my V1 sits above my RVM and just kind of exists. I have JBV1 set up so arrows and sound comes from the V1 and voice announcements come from my Pioneer head unit.. So I kind of look at the V1 as a black box that is just sitting there... Personally, I'd love to see Johnboy hook up with Mike Valentine and incorporate his JBV1 program into the V1 with a nice, clear, display and make it on the fly upgrade-able via WiFi/USB. Bit until that happens, running JBV1 and Daze on a phone is easy for me. I'm a big fan of simplicity but not at the expense of usefulness and capability and while I'm not a super tweaker, I don't even use boxes yet, I like the ability to be able to tweak if I want to. An open API is paramount to this which is why I support V1 and JohnBoy. I get it that we are probably a small segment of the users but even still the other companies would encourage support of their fine products by opening up the API and I don't thing it would hurt their sales at all.
That would be an awesome idea. At the same time they can get with the times as far as detection distance. If Valentine did that they would have a whole new unit that would probably skyrocket to number one. Then we would be sitting here arguing with R7 fan boys why the V2 is better. I bet my left hand that they would conduct themselves better though.
 

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This is my stance with apps vs no apps. I prefer to have the option of apps to enhance the capabilities of a detector but I prefer to have the functions In the detector in case I don’t want to run an app or have my phone.

I have said many times that the V1 is ancient in a lot of areas where things come standard on other detectors.

With that being said if apps were available to me then and now to make my V1 relevant for my threats I face each day. I would use the V1 with an app but sadly that isn’t the case

And that’s where the problem is. Mike refuses to change. Ppl can call and email him asking/pleading with him to add gps functionality,mrcd detection (without turning off every filter so every k band is beeping, etc) but he won’t. And a part of that frustration is that we know if mike changed. The new “V1” would be a killer product

I would love to be able to (key words are “be able to” see all the info that the detector is seeing just to see. Would love to track my alerts as data to analyze for the fun of it.

Patton isn’t wrong when he says It’s a different level with certain V1 users in the “defensiveness” when the V1 gets criticized

Now here is the thing that gets me with certain V1 “fanboys”. They talk stuff that simply isn’t true. Saying “does my V1 look outdated. I told think so” and then show a picture of their latest phone running at app. News flash. That’s not the V1. That’s a smart phone with an app

Or stuff like “every detector is crippled without an app”. There is truth to that. But they won’t say that the V1 is most crippled without an app



I was a long time V1 fan. But reality hit me. Mike holds true to his original mission statement and I can’t fault him for not deviating from that. In fact I fault myself in wanting him to

So now I look at the other companies and see what they have to offer. And for me right now. The team at radenso is the new mike V

They aren’t there yet (hard to match mike years of exp) but they are getting there. But the thing that I believe separates them from every other company including mike. They will listen to everyone and their comments/suggestions/criticism fairly and make adjustments to detector(s) future,past and present. That will include a future detector that doesn’t need an app but will have app capabilities and that there would appease pretty much most of us
 

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Without the apps the V1 is useless. It 1990s technology.
It’s difficult to believe this is a sincerely held misconception. All the personal attacks and Miley Cyrus sarcasm notwithstanding, this belies either a total lack of understanding of the topic of conversation or a total commitment to the consistent behavior of brand bashing and trolling.
 

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This is my stance with apps vs no apps. I prefer to have the option of apps to enhance the capabilities of a detector but I prefer to have the functions In the detector in case I don’t want to run an app or have my phone.

I have said many times that the V1 is ancient in a lot of areas where things come standard on other detectors.

With that being said if apps were available to me then and now to make my V1 relevant for my threats I face each day. I would use the V1 with an app but sadly that isn’t the case

And that’s where the problem is. Mike refuses to change. Ppl can call and email him asking/pleading with him to add gps functionality,mrcd detection (without turning off every filter so every k band is beeping, etc) but he won’t. And a part of that frustration is that we know if mike changed. The new “V1” would be a killer product

I would love to be able to (key words are “be able to” see all the info that the detector is seeing just to see. Would love to track my alerts as data to analyze for the fun of it.

Patton isn’t wrong when he says It’s a different level with certain V1 users in the “defensiveness” when the V1 gets criticized

Now here is the thing that gets me with certain V1 “fanboys”. They talk stuff that simply isn’t true. Saying “does my V1 look outdated. I told think so” and then show a picture of their latest phone running at app. News flash. That’s not the V1. That’s a smart phone with an app

Or stuff like “every detector is crippled without an app”. There is truth to that. But they won’t say that the V1 is most crippled without an app



I was a long time V1 fan. But reality hit me. Mike holds true to his original mission statement and I can’t fault him for not deviating from that. In fact I fault myself in wanting him to

So now I look at the other companies and see what they have to offer. And for me right now. The team at radenso is the new mike V

They aren’t there yet (hard to match mike years of exp) but they are getting there. But the thing that I believe separates them from every other company including mike. They will listen to everyone and their comments/suggestions/criticism fairly and make adjustments to detector(s) future,past and present. That will include a future detector that doesn’t need an app but will have app capabilities and that there would appease pretty much most of us
Very well thought out post. Thank you for this.
 

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Mike V would never pay Escort a dime in royalties (if Escort would even give him a license), so we won't see GPS or BT in a V1 in the near future.

Releasing a BT dongle and an API was brilliant on VR's part, as it allowed them to get around Escort's IP and give their customers the features they wanted. As far as APIs go the ESP library is pretty simple, but several talented developers have really leveraged it into a powerful tool. There is no other detector available that can provide anywhere near the level of information and control that a V1 can, and it is solely due to the BT dongle and API.

@thanks already provided a list of several of the benefits of an open API, but I think the most important are auto-lockouts and intelligent BSM muting.

I don't think auto-lockouts can be done safely on a stand-alone detector due to the limited processing power and memory built into even flagship detectors the inability to review or edit the lockouts and parameters used to set them. A phone app handily solves all of these problems. I think the auto-lockout discussion deserves it's own post, but just browse through the Escort and Stinger forums for examples of how it can go horribly wrong.

Intelligent BSM muting has been a huge addition to JBV1, and it has been tuned to the point where it works amazingly well. I drove 80 miles today around NJ in moderate traffic and didn't have a single audible K band alert from either stationary of mobile (BSM) sources. In addition to the auto-lockouts, just by applying a few "rules" to how the detector reacts to K band signals, you can almost completely eliminate false alerts without adding any significant risk of missing legit threats. I own and run quite a few different detectors, and none of the "stand-alone" detectors comes close to the informative and refined experience you can get with an app. If I was running any other detector today, I would've been constantly reaching for the mute button. But since I could run an app, I didn't have to touch a thing.

And do you know what the best part about all of this is? None of it is protected by patents. Any manufacturer is free to implement all of this tomorrow and add all of these benefits to their detectors.

If you could buy a new "smart cord" for your R1/R3/R7 tomorrow and download an app to your phone that would add auto-lockouts, intelligent muting, logging, easy/automatic setting changes, etc, would you? I know I would in a heartbeat.

tl;dr
Using a detector with a well designed app adds features and abilities light-years beyond what any "stand-alone" detector is capable of.
 

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Mike V would never pay Escort a dime in royalties (if Escort would even give him a license), so we won't see GPS or BT in a V1 in the near future.

Releasing a BT dongle and an API was brilliant on VR's part, as it allowed them to get around Escort's IP and give their customers the features they wanted. As far as APIs go the ESP library is pretty simple, but several talented developers have really leveraged it into a powerful tool. There is no other detector available that can provide anywhere near the level of information and control that a V1 can, and it is solely due to the BT dongle and API.

@thanks already provided a list of several of the benefits of an open API, but I think the most important are auto-lockouts and intelligent BSM muting.

I don't think auto-lockouts can be done safely on a stand-alone detector due to the limited processing power and memory built into even flagship detectors the inability to review or edit the lockouts and parameters used to set them. A phone app handily solves all of these problems. I think the auto-lockout discussion deserves it's own post, but just browse through the Escort and Stinger forums for examples of how it can go horribly wrong.

Intelligent BSM muting has been a huge addition to JBV1, and it has been tuned to the point where it works amazingly well. I drove 80 miles today around NJ in moderate traffic and didn't have a single audible K band alert from either stationary of mobile (BSM) sources. In addition to the auto-lockouts, just by applying a few "rules" to how the detector reacts to K band signals, you can almost completely eliminate false alerts without adding any significant risk of missing legit threats. I own and run quite a few different detectors, and none of the "stand-alone" detectors comes close to the informative and refined experience you can get with an app. If I was running any other detector today, I would've been constantly reaching for the mute button. But since I could run an app, I didn't have to touch a thing.

And do you know what the best part about all of this is? None of it is protected by patents. Any manufacturer is free to implement all of this tomorrow and add all of these benefits to their detectors.

If you could buy a new "smart cord" for your R1/R3/R7 tomorrow and download an app to your phone that would add auto-lockouts, intelligent muting, logging, easy/automatic setting changes, etc, would you? I know I would in a heartbeat.

tl;dr
Using a detector with a well designed app adds features and abilities light-years beyond what any "stand-alone" detector is capable of.
Well said and I'll add that using an app with your RD isn't for everyone. For those that don't want (or don't care) there are plenty of other options out there. However, for those of us that appreciate the extra functionality and customization that JBV1 or V1driver offer, the V1 is unmatched. That's why many choose to use it even though it has fallen behind the competition in some key areas like range and subpar performance against MRCD/MRCT to name a few.
 

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I don't think auto-lockouts can be done safely on a stand-alone detector due to the limited processing power and memory built into even flagship detectors the inability to review or edit the lockouts and parameters used to set them. A phone app handily solves all of these problems. I think the auto-lockout discussion deserves it's own post, but just browse through the Escort and Stinger forums for examples of how it can go horribly wrong.
I have owned the detector with auto lockouts. They worked great for me, never had issue with those. Plus nobody restricts detector manufacturers from adding more processing power and memory (sure it will increase the price but for GENERAL CONSUMERS who buy the detector, turn it on and start using it without downloading any apps this would be worth doing, and the radar detector company could always release cheaper and less powerful version without GPS and display for nerds who like to spend hours adjusting settings in the app or want the app to do everything).

As for "it can go wrong" - sure it can, but so can using the app. Here is what "can go wrong" with app, making your detector an unusable annoyance due to all false signals:

1)Bluetooth dongle failure on detector itself
2)Bluetooth hardware failure on smartphone
3) New OS update causing Bluetooth connection issues (I can find many examples on Reddit, just because YOU got lucky and never experienced this doesn't mean that others won't)
4) Google releasing API or OS update which would do stuff like restricting the GPS sensor polling rate for all apps to decrease battery consumption
5) You accidentally damage your phone or lose it or you discharge its battery with no ability to recharge it even inside the car
And so on. None of those issues would have any affect on GPS-based auto lockouts built into detector itself.

If you could buy a new "smart cord" for your R1/R3/R7 tomorrow and download an app to your phone that would add auto-lockouts, intelligent muting, logging, easy/automatic setting changes, etc, would you? I know I would in a heartbeat.
You would. I wouldn't.

PS: This pointless thread really needs to be closed. In the end, it's all about personal preference and smart radar detector companies like Radenso do already understand this.
 

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Wow, go away for a good night's sleep and Miley Cyrus is mentioned. What is it about this teen actress from the 2000s for you Patton? My kids watched Disney back then and ignored her. Her heydey is way older than my V1... :)
Back later after I get my coffee...
 

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Mike V would never pay Escort a dime in royalties (if Escort would even give him a license), so we won't see GPS or BT in a V1 in the near future.

Releasing a BT dongle and an API was brilliant on VR's part, as it allowed them to get around Escort's IP and give their customers the features they wanted. As far as APIs go the ESP library is pretty simple, but several talented developers have really leveraged it into a powerful tool. There is no other detector available that can provide anywhere near the level of information and control that a V1 can, and it is solely due to the BT dongle and API.

@thanks already provided a list of several of the benefits of an open API, but I think the most important are auto-lockouts and intelligent BSM muting.

I don't think auto-lockouts can be done safely on a stand-alone detector due to the limited processing power and memory built into even flagship detectors the inability to review or edit the lockouts and parameters used to set them. A phone app handily solves all of these problems. I think the auto-lockout discussion deserves it's own post, but just browse through the Escort and Stinger forums for examples of how it can go horribly wrong.

Intelligent BSM muting has been a huge addition to JBV1, and it has been tuned to the point where it works amazingly well. I drove 80 miles today around NJ in moderate traffic and didn't have a single audible K band alert from either stationary of mobile (BSM) sources. In addition to the auto-lockouts, just by applying a few "rules" to how the detector reacts to K band signals, you can almost completely eliminate false alerts without adding any significant risk of missing legit threats. I own and run quite a few different detectors, and none of the "stand-alone" detectors comes close to the informative and refined experience you can get with an app. If I was running any other detector today, I would've been constantly reaching for the mute button. But since I could run an app, I didn't have to touch a thing.

And do you know what the best part about all of this is? None of it is protected by patents. Any manufacturer is free to implement all of this tomorrow and add all of these benefits to their detectors.

If you could buy a new "smart cord" for your R1/R3/R7 tomorrow and download an app to your phone that would add auto-lockouts, intelligent muting, logging, easy/automatic setting changes, etc, would you? I know I would in a heartbeat.


tl;dr
Using a detector with a well designed app adds features and abilities light-years beyond what any "stand-alone" detector is capable of.
Then why don’t they?
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Wow, go away for a good night's sleep and Miley Cyrus is mentioned. What is it about this teen actress from the 2000s for you Patton? My kids watched Disney back then and ignored her. Her heydey is way older than my V1... :)
Back later after I get my coffee...
I do trainings in front of hundreds of people every day. During these trainings I teach mostly men how to communicate their products and services to others. Trying to add levity to it I explain it’s important for them to dumb down their exclamation in such a way that even someone like Miley Cyrus could understand. If you really know anything about Miley Cyrus you would understand how funny that is. It’s kind of a trademark right now with my company. :)
 
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You are so angry it’s actually hilarious at this point. I love an infusion of humor once in a while anyway. Thank you for that.
I'm not angry. I do feel like you are wasting people's time.

I have been very specific for you on many occasions. Let me try to Miley Cyrus this for you.

I don’t want to have to use an app ever. I have tried all the apps for the V1. ALL OF THEM. IMHO it sucks if you have to use them. I’m not flying an aircraft I am driving a car. I don’t want to have to use an app. Certainly at this point you understand this.
Let me Trace Cyrus this for you. I've never tried to convince you to use an app. I'm only requesting that you not jump into existing threads like a troll and say inaccurate junk. Let those that want to talk about V1's and apps do so without the trollish comments. "Certainly at this point you understand this"?

Now getting back to my original point and not very many people would argue with this except you diehards. Without the apps the V1 is useless. It 1990s technology. That’s my opinion.
You are welcome to your opinion. Why can't you leave it at that? Not everyone agrees with you about it's usefulness without an app but again, you are coming from the "app augmenting the V1" stance which is the wrong angle. Can you understand what I'm saying? Even Miley Cyrus... blah, blah, blah

I could buy 500 of them if I wanted to. Do you understand this?
Thanks for that insight into your personality. Does a Johari Window mean anything to you?

Am I getting through? I believe even Miley Cyrus would understand everything I wrote up above. Well ..... maybe not her but you get my point. The V1 is being left behind. I do not understand why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. I truly truly don’t. It doesn’t bother me. Next year Redenso or some other company might completely destroy anything Uniden has or NetRadar. I will celebrate that. And if there are any diehard Uniden fan boys kicking and screaming and making up excuses I will call them out for that also. At some point in time there must’ve been a great company making buggy whips. Sooner or later they became obsolete. Certainly you understand obsolescence? If anything just the distance problem makes it obsolete. But there are plenty other detectors that have the same distance the V1 has and they don’t have to use an app. So there we go again. Back to the topic of this thread. Apps. Besides this is all about VR and not what’s best.
Rant... More Miley Cyrus... ^

I’m completely convinced of that at this point. If Mike V comes out with a completely new product in the near future you boys will drop the V1 like a hot potato and switch. It won’t even be a discussion. You’ll just do it. That’s because you love valentine more than you do capabilities. That’s also my opinion.

So if you love apps so much then what you’re telling me is if next year Uniden ( or any company for that matter) maintains its number one status for detection range but also creates the ability to interact with some cool app you will switch to them solely for that reason? In order for you to stay consistent with your argument your answer will have to be yes.
If Valentine comes out with a completely new product, some would switch no questions asked. Not everyone has the desire or capability to dig deep into a product and they rely on past history. That happens across all brands. Strawman argument.
After 27 years, they have a good history of providing what I want out of a detector. Again, nothing wrong with that. But, if it's a piece of junk, I'd say so AND why.

If another manufacturer made app use possible to the same degree that we have now AND the detector itself was built as well, I might switch. I'd have to weigh the options at the time. I've never said otherwise.
To elaborate, Escort's app is not up to par. But if they had an open API that JBV1 or something with the same features could run with AND the hardware was solid, AND there was some decent performance bump in some way, it would be silly to hang on to the V1.

The big problem here is that you have a perception that all V1 users are the same. You also have a perception that this whole Miley Cyrus thing is clever. It might be funny in your workplace, but the rest of us don't share the sentiment or see the value. Perhaps you could consider altering your perception when faced with new information?

At least we are making progress here. We’ve got all these pages on this thread and no one is reporting anyone or PMing mods. There’s something to be said for that.
Agreed! I was disheartened to see a report against you until I realized it was just Xydrine testing. :)


Everyone,
Instead of using analogies, I'm going to refer to a real situation here as one example of why any of us might want to correct each other when incorrect info is brought up.
One of the common comments we hear is, "Why won't Valentine add GPS to the V1?" That sucks! GPS is cheap to add, etc.
This is one of those issues that seems simple on the surface, but there's a lot more to understand if you dig into it. Correct information is beneficial.

I've explained that having GPS on the detector is somewhat of a useless feature if you want to use an app with it and all of that stuff.
InsipidMonkey touched on a much bigger concept that I often don't think about. It's understandably part of a long held "feud" and the paying of royalties to Escort.
How many of us here would choose a similar path?
You run a detector company, your nemesis patents something new, you don't want to pay royalties to that company and you see flaws in the concept anyway. (Maybe those flaws can be worked out, but you still don't want to pay royalties to your nemesis.)

But, if you can get around that issue by providing an external bluetooth connection and allowing the customer to provide the GPS services and extra processing power; Would you do it? Many added features & No royalties to pay!

Okay, gotta go for now and deal with antennas in the middle of a bunch of mountains...
 

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I'm not angry. I do feel like you are wasting people's time.



Let me Trace Cyrus this for you. I've never tried to convince you to use an app. I'm only requesting that you not jump into existing threads like a troll and say inaccurate junk. Let those that want to talk about V1's and apps do so without the trollish comments. "Certainly at this point you understand this"?



You are welcome to your opinion. Why can't you leave it at that? Not everyone agrees with you about it's usefulness without an app but again, you are coming from the "app augmenting the V1" stance which is the wrong angle. Can you understand what I'm saying? Even Miley Cyrus... blah, blah, blah

Thanks for that insight into your personality. Does a Johari Window mean anything to you?


Rant... More Miley Cyrus... ^



If Valentine comes out with a completely new product, some would switch no questions asked. Not everyone has the desire or capability to dig deep into a product and they rely on past history. That happens across all brands. Strawman argument.
After 27 years, they have a good history of providing what I want out of a detector. Again, nothing wrong with that. But, if it's a piece of junk, I'd say so AND why.

If another manufacturer made app use possible to the same degree that we have now AND the detector itself was built as well, I might switch. I'd have to weigh the options at the time. I've never said otherwise.
To elaborate, Escort's app is not up to par. But if they had an open API that JBV1 or something with the same features could run with AND the hardware was solid, AND there was some decent performance bump in some way, it would be silly to hang on to the V1.

The big problem here is that you have a perception that all V1 users are the same. You also have a perception that this whole Miley Cyrus thing is clever. It might be funny in your workplace, but the rest of us don't share the sentiment or see the value. Perhaps you could consider altering your perception when faced with new information?



Agreed! I was disheartened to see a report against you until I realized it was just Xydrine testing. :)


Everyone,
Instead of using analogies, I'm going to refer to a real situation here as one example of why any of us might want to correct each other when incorrect info is brought up.
One of the common comments we hear is, "Why won't Valentine add GPS to the V1?" That sucks! GPS is cheap to add, etc.
This is one of those issues that seems simple on the surface, but there's a lot more to understand if you dig into it. Correct information is beneficial.

I've explained that having GPS on the detector is somewhat of a useless feature if you want to use an app with it and all of that stuff.
InsipidMonkey touched on a much bigger concept that I often don't think about. It's understandably part of a long held "feud" and the paying of royalties to Escort.
How many of us here would choose a similar path?
You run a detector company, your nemesis patents something new, you don't want to pay royalties to that company and you see flaws in the concept anyway. (Maybe those flaws can be worked out, but you still don't want to pay royalties to your nemesis.)

But, if you can get around that issue by providing an external bluetooth connection and allowing the customer to provide the GPS services and extra processing power; Would you do it? Many added features & No royalties to pay!

Okay, gotta go for now and deal with antennas in the middle of a bunch of mountains...
I read your first paragraph.

Troll= a person or people that disagree with BlueV1

I’m sick your your name calling. I have every right to discuss why I feel the V1 sucks and is antiquated. The fact that you disagree with me doesn’t qualify me as a troll. Now knock it off.
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I recommend V1 users not participate in this thread. They can’t handle criticism of their product of choice. They ALWAYS resort to name calling. Always.
 
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On a side note, I don't understand the Miley Cyrus comments:

Miley Cyrus has a 120 IQ, which puts her in the top 9% of the population.
Her Net Worth is upwards of $160 million.
As of 2016, Cyrus’s nonprofit had donated “40,000 meals, 20,000 snacks, and 40,000 pairs of underwear and socks” homeless children in partnership with My Friend’s Place.
Some of her antics might be crazy (like a fox).
Sounds like the type of person, the world could use more of.
 

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On a side note, I don't understand the Miley Cyrus comments:

Miley Cyrus has a 120 IQ, which puts her in the top 9% of the population.
Her Net Worth is upwards of $160 million.
As of 2016, Cyrus’s nonprofit had donated “40,000 meals, 20,000 snacks, and 40,000 pairs of underwear and socks” homeless children in partnership with My Friend’s Place.
Some of her antics might be crazy (like a fox).
Sounds like the type of person, the world could use more of.
Let’s keep that your little secret.

When her adult career was floundering because let’s face it she’s not that good she resorted to prostituting herself in such a way that would make the owner of a brothel blush. Once Music executives realized she was willing to prance around half naked and act that way it launched her adult career. Have you ever watched an interview with the young lady? It’s mind boggling painful. To me she’s the textbook example of what not to be like as a woman. I’m really not sure what her net worth has to do with that.
 
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I'm not angry. I do feel like you are wasting people's time.



Let me Trace Cyrus this for you. I've never tried to convince you to use an app. I'm only requesting that you not jump into existing threads like a troll and say inaccurate junk. Let those that want to talk about V1's and apps do so without the trollish comments. "Certainly at this point you understand this"?



You are welcome to your opinion. Why can't you leave it at that? Not everyone agrees with you about it's usefulness without an app but again, you are coming from the "app augmenting the V1" stance which is the wrong angle. Can you understand what I'm saying? Even Miley Cyrus... blah, blah, blah

Thanks for that insight into your personality. Does a Johari Window mean anything to you?


Rant... More Miley Cyrus... ^



If Valentine comes out with a completely new product, some would switch no questions asked. Not everyone has the desire or capability to dig deep into a product and they rely on past history. That happens across all brands. Strawman argument.
After 27 years, they have a good history of providing what I want out of a detector. Again, nothing wrong with that. But, if it's a piece of junk, I'd say so AND why.

If another manufacturer made app use possible to the same degree that we have now AND the detector itself was built as well, I might switch. I'd have to weigh the options at the time. I've never said otherwise.
To elaborate, Escort's app is not up to par. But if they had an open API that JBV1 or something with the same features could run with AND the hardware was solid, AND there was some decent performance bump in some way, it would be silly to hang on to the V1.

The big problem here is that you have a perception that all V1 users are the same. You also have a perception that this whole Miley Cyrus thing is clever. It might be funny in your workplace, but the rest of us don't share the sentiment or see the value. Perhaps you could consider altering your perception when faced with new information?



Agreed! I was disheartened to see a report against you until I realized it was just Xydrine testing. :)


Everyone,
Instead of using analogies, I'm going to refer to a real situation here as one example of why any of us might want to correct each other when incorrect info is brought up.
One of the common comments we hear is, "Why won't Valentine add GPS to the V1?" That sucks! GPS is cheap to add, etc.
This is one of those issues that seems simple on the surface, but there's a lot more to understand if you dig into it. Correct information is beneficial.

I've explained that having GPS on the detector is somewhat of a useless feature if you want to use an app with it and all of that stuff.
InsipidMonkey touched on a much bigger concept that I often don't think about. It's understandably part of a long held "feud" and the paying of royalties to Escort.
How many of us here would choose a similar path?
You run a detector company, your nemesis patents something new, you don't want to pay royalties to that company and you see flaws in the concept anyway. (Maybe those flaws can be worked out, but you still don't want to pay royalties to your nemesis.)

But, if you can get around that issue by providing an external bluetooth connection and allowing the customer to provide the GPS services and extra processing power; Would you do it? Many added features & No royalties to pay!

Okay, gotta go for now and deal with antennas in the middle of a bunch of mountains...

I don’t buy into the not wanting to pay for royalitjes or escort not wanting to license their patents to V1 at all

Straight up I think this is just an excuse the hardcore V1 supporter uses.

It’s clearly stated on the V1 website how mike feels about using lockouts. The only function that mike feels that gps provides that is safe is low speed muting and he added the savvy to address this

When escorts patent expires on gps related abilities. My money is on mike still not adding them

Like I said. I can’t fault mike staying true to his mission statement and his word on lockouts,etc I fault myself for thinking and wanting mike to deviate from his beliefs

Mike is no dummy, I’m sure if mike held a lecture and he explained why he does things. It would really enlightening most of us and we would be nodding our heads in agreement.
 

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Now for ALP/DSP users. What improvements would you like to see for the app? I have many and have shared them before. Also what do you think the odds of them getting a separate screen that plugs directly into the CPU are? And what potential benefits would that entail?
 
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