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@doubledge you're assuming the people doing the buying are doing due diligence into the available systems. The dude Vortex referred to probably just asked his installer (or Vortex) if it works and isn’t ugly like ALP for his install.
There will always be those kinds of people for sure but they are also the minority of this already niche market. My point was more general. There is likely a large market of those would spend that kind of money, even stretching to do so, who do their research and are interested in the technical aspects of it. I'd love to get it. I have a difficult car for the other options and frankly I much prefer their interface. To me it seems like they have the hard part done in the development of the hardware and FW. The easy part should be creating a good reputation and being active in the community you serve. Maybe that's just the business owner in me but that's where the real value is created.
 

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that hardware does take stealth to a whole new level with those needle like heads
 

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You say that, but K40 is still alive and well and selling like hot cakes.
Ha ha!! It sure is and I think that's a great example of what I'm talking about. It's the very opposite condition where they have an 'OK' at best product but a excellent publicity and customer service machine. They price their cheap hardware just high enough to create some perceived quality, are then able to offer dealers higher margins to push the product and provide both dealers and customer a high level of support and contact.
 

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I wonder if those USB cables are really long enough to run to the rear of a typical sedan from say the dash center.
 

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OK, now that I'll installed the v2 RX/TX, I'm going to rewrite what I wrote. They appear to have fixed the random cable length issues from v1. I've measured six sets so far and they are a bit over 16' now. That being said, 16' might get you to the front of some vehicles depending on how easily you can get into the passenger compartment. In the case of the 911, If I wanted to tear apart the interior again, I might be able to get to the front of the car; however, I personally still lean toward only pulling one cable to the front for the extra $350.

I can confirm that you can plug the bridge cable into the HD-12's EB-01 to get to the front using a single XL cable.

I'll update my 911 install with a few photos.
 
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The Stinger fiber jammers just showed up this morning for testing this weekend. Here's a couple quick photos of the system. It looks like this is designed to tie into the VIP. It doesn't have its own strip display.


The Stinger fiber jammers just showed up this morning for testing this weekend. Here's a couple quick photos of the system. It looks like this is designed to tie into the VIP. It doesn't have its own strip display.
If it plugs into VIP then this is good. I noticed that the length of the wire between what now is little rectangle( my old version is round) and the fiber tip is very short. Currentlly I have the round tube up in front fenders with wire snaked down to front grill because there is no room on my bmw X6M to put anything in grill area. These would be a challenge to mount (currently run 3 pairs of RX/TX ) and then next question is there going to be an upgrade path.

The biggest issue I see for Stinger is the installation and maintaing the stability of the installation to survive normal driving and car washes. The current fibers I have are difficult to keep aligned ( mouted on small rubber blocks mounted to grill area) , I guess if you drill holes in the bumper and mount there they may stay put but I'm not willing to do that.

In Summary I'm most likely not the customer Stinger wants, they view their system as high end/high performance for customers willing to drop $5k+ for installation after purchase and more $$ for maintence.

Thank You for taking on testing.
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So it says it needs to be in a moisture-free location like in or under the dashboard. Here's the wiring info it comes with:

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So how do they think I would get 6 wires through the firewall of my BMW , getting 1 was difficult
So I guess Stinger doesn't use any BMWs in their testing (any BMW owner knows this is always an issue).
 
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I think (not 100%sure) every fiber pair (rx and tx) terminates at a small box and then you have one usb style cable to run back to controller. So you would have three wires for a tripple pair and the one for the radar if you use that. Still a lot of wires and I’m sure that in their test vehicle which is an X5 they drilled the firewall. I have the same issue should I go this direction.
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I just went back to look at the images and it sure looks like each fiber is it’s own run. I could have sworn I saw an image of a pair terminating at a box then a usb.
 
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So how do they think I would get 6 wires through the firewall of my BMW , getting 1 was difficult
So I guess Stinger doesn't use any BMWs in their testing (any BMW owner knows this is always an issue).
I think (not 100%sure) every fiber pair (rx and tx) terminates at a small box and then you have one usb style cable to run back to controller. So you would have three wires for a tripple pair and the one for the radar if you use that. Still a lot of wires and I’m sure that in their test vehicle which is an X5 they drilled the firewall. I have the same issue should I go this direction.
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I just went back to look at the images and it sure looks like each fiber is it’s own run. I could have sworn I saw an image of a pair terminating at a box then a usb.
The old laser system had a LAB that all the heads attached to in the engine compartment, which then connected to the radar box also in the engine compartment, which then had a type B USB cable that ran through the firewall into the cabin and attached to the CPU where the display/gps/speaker, etc... all connected to. The new laser system requires you to run all the head cables into the cabin.

It's really unfortunate for DIY installs, having that single cable between the engine compartment and cabin really makes installs easier than the competition. But I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Stinger owners are having a shop do the install, and they're skilled enough to put a new whole in the firewall to accommodate the increased wiring.
 

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I was just looking over the installation directions and I wonder if you could not do the same thing with the new Laser Center. It looks like it gets it's power from the CPU as before and there's no reason why it couldn't be placed in the front of the car as long as it's a dry location. That seems to be the hiccup. I also wonder if you could just use 2 of them, one for the front and one for the rear and leave other second one in the trunk. There are certainly enough capable ports for it. This way you're only running two wires, one for the radar and one for the laser, to the cpu from each the front and rear. It's a $350 box which once you all in for this kind of system seems like a small price for ease of insulation.


Thoughts?
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I'll also add that it looks like the radar extension boxes are now superfluous as the laser center connects directly to the CPU. I wonder if you really need those....I bet not. that would almost pay for a second laser center.
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I just answered my own question....if you look at the website the extended package provides 2 laser centers so it looks like you can have one for the front and rear. So only two wires to run to the CPU from the front and from the rear.
 
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I was just looking over the installation directions and I wonder if you could not do the same thing with the new Laser Center. It looks like it gets it's power from the CPU as before and there's no reason why it couldn't be placed in the front of the car as long as it's a dry location. That seems to be the hiccup. I also wonder if you could just use 2 of them, one for the front and one for the rear and leave other second one in the trunk. There are certainly enough capable ports for it. This way you're only running two wires, one for the radar and one for the laser, to the cpu from each the front and rear. It's a $350 box which once you all in for this kind of system seems like a small price for ease of insulation.


Thoughts?
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I'll also add that it looks like the radar extension boxes are now superfluous as the laser center connects directly to the CPU. I wonder if you really need those....I bet not. that would almost pay for a second laser center.
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I just answered my own question....if you look at the website the extended package provides 2 laser centers so it looks like you can have one for the front and rear. So only two wires to run to the CPU from the front and from the rear.
The old boxes had rubber strips to seal where the cables entered the box to keep things dry. The new one doesn't and instead has exposed ports. Maybe you could seal the open ports on the new laser box to keep it dry, but if they're recommending the new box be installed in the cabin there might be a reason behind it (maybe it wasn't engineered for the 200F+ heat found in engine compartments or has less anti-corrosion properties).

OTOH I ran the ALP CPU inside my engine compartment for about 2 years without any problems, with only some packing tape coving the un-used ports to keep moisture out (although it was mounted in a location that never got wet) when they clearly state not to locate the CPU there.
 

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If I am not mistaken, using the new Laser Centre (unfortunately in the cabin) you may end up with an additional cable through the firewall for the radar antenna, in addition to ALL the laser cables (depending on how many RX/TX you are installing! Your alternative seems to be placing and successfully sealing the Laser Centre in a dry and not too hot a place in front of the firewall. Then you will only have one laser and one radar cable to get through the firewall in to the Extension box. The laser cable apparently DOES not go into the Extension box but directly into the computer centre!
What a bl---- mess!
If someone had thought this through properly, they would use the Laser Centre ( as it is now configured) only for the Laser Freedom set-up and an upgraded-internals Laser Analyser box (old water resistant container version) for the new fibers when using the VIP and computer centre.
In talking with Stinger, they expect their installations to be done in professional shops, not by us professionals!!
 

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For what it's worth, it's really not as bad as you make out. I just finished the wiring portion of the install on my GLE63s. The front just required increasing the diameter of the existing penetration for the hood-latch cable. For the back, all the laser sensors are on the hatch door, and there was no issue fitting three of each through the two rear door wiring tubes. Radar patch antenna cable went through an existing grommet for the drivers side light. Single cable from back to front. Three hours to do the front. Five hours to do the back. First time working on the GLE, so I'm sure when I do the wife's GLE it'll probably be a couple hours faster. I'll do a brief write up with a few photos once I get the sensors placed. Having done three systems with the old hardware and now two with the new hardware, it's really just trading one set of problems for a different set of problems. In the case of both the 911 and the GLE, I prefer the new setup. I'd rather deal with getting a few cables through the firewall and have the hardware inside the cabin. All you need to do is source up the appropriate grommet for the firewall penetration (Wurth tends to have appropriate stuff for this).
 

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For what it's worth, it's really not as bad as you make out. I just finished the wiring portion of the install on my GLE63s. The front just required increasing the diameter of the existing penetration for the hood-latch cable. For the back, all the laser sensors are on the hatch door, and there was no issue fitting three of each through the two rear door wiring tubes. Radar patch antenna cable went through an existing grommet for the drivers side light. Single cable from back to front. Three hours to do the front. Five hours to do the back. First time working on the GLE, so I'm sure when I do the wife's GLE it'll probably be a couple hours faster. I'll do a brief write up with a few photos once I get the sensors placed. Having done three systems with the old hardware and now two with the new hardware, it's really just trading one set of problems for a different set of problems. In the case of both the 911 and the GLE, I prefer the new setup. I'd rather deal with getting a few cables through the firewall and have the hardware inside the cabin. All you need to do is source up the appropriate grommet for the firewall penetration (Wurth tends to have appropriate stuff for this).
Thanks for the input. I look forward to seeing your pics and notes.
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If I am not mistaken, using the new Laser Centre (unfortunately in the cabin) you may end up with an additional cable through the firewall for the radar antenna, in addition to ALL the laser cables (depending on how many RX/TX you are installing! Your alternative seems to be placing and successfully sealing the Laser Centre in a dry and not too hot a place in front of the firewall. Then you will only have one laser and one radar cable to get through the firewall in to the Extension box. The laser cable apparently DOES not go into the Extension box but directly into the computer centre!
What a bl---- mess!
If someone had thought this through properly, they would use the Laser Centre ( as it is now configured) only for the Laser Freedom set-up and an upgraded-internals Laser Analyser box (old water resistant container version) for the new fibers when using the VIP and computer centre.
In talking with Stinger, they expect their installations to be done in professional shops, not by us professionals!!
I drive a Tesla so I have a good dry and not too hot front end to place the new Laser Center which is why I was considering getting two of them so I only have to run one wire for the laser stuff from each end. I'm also likely going to mount the patch antennas in the cabin. I have metallic paint and a ton of things already behind the bumper. Firewall penetration in the Tesla is really minimal. I really don't want to drill a new hole if I can help it.
 
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If I am not mistaken, using the new Laser Centre (unfortunately in the cabin) you may end up with an additional cable through the firewall for the radar antenna, in addition to ALL the laser cables (depending on how many RX/TX you are installing! Your alternative seems to be placing and successfully sealing the Laser Centre in a dry and not too hot a place in front of the firewall. Then you will only have one laser and one radar cable to get through the firewall in to the Extension box. The laser cable apparently DOES not go into the Extension box but directly into the computer centre!
What a bl---- mess!
If someone had thought this through properly, they would use the Laser Centre ( as it is now configured) only for the Laser Freedom set-up and an upgraded-internals Laser Analyser box (old water resistant container version) for the new fibers when using the VIP and computer centre.
In talking with Stinger, they expect their installations to be done in professional shops, not by us professionals!!
Guess they are doing $o well that eliminating part of the customer base doesn't matter. Companies usually die not because of competition but bad management.
 

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I guess I shall just have to bite the bullet and find a suitable opening for the front laser wiring, as I have in the past my two HD antenna within the cabin. I am shortly going to switch cars and only then will the fun begin! Look forward to seeing your photos. Thanks.
 

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Installed properly, stinger is powerful and close to jtg. It can also handle multiple lidars being shot at it at the same time .
 
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