Anyone else having their R7 not alert to Laser?

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I don’t look at it that way. You inform and let people lay their cards on one side or the other.

I personally am not trying to change anyone’s mind. If they are certain that it can happen, that’s good.

I understand the frustration of the R7 being blind to certain Lidar strikes. To say it doesn’t work isn’t correct as I did show the option does work against my tester, but I agree it would be nice if it could be a little more refined.

Hopefully more people will buy Lidar guns, or go out and meet other enthusiasts when their doing a testing session and ask if you can have them shoot your RD or borrow a Lidar gun and play with it themselves.

You learn a lot when you get to be on both sides of the gun.
Well put. I think we can all agree the R series should do a much better job at detecting lidar in the field.
 

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I too would like to see all RD manufacturers delete laser circuitry and get smaller and cheaper, leaving that job to shifters that can actually do the job reliably.
To late.. Cats out of the bag.. You can't take something away and not take a hit. The average consumer wants laser detection in their RD. If they started selling RDs without this capability, unless they offered something to replace it, most consumers will look for older units that say it can detect laser, even if it barely works.
 
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Well put. I think we can all agree the R series should do a much better job at detecting lidar in the field.
That’s where I stand on this as well. If any vendor decides to stop making laser detection a feature, I wouldn’t mind that at all. If anyone wants to put ZR5/ALP style extreme sensitivity + gun ID into a box for LIDAR protection, that would be a fun product to test.

But for me it’s simple: if you’re going to advertise a capability, I expect it to work. And it’s flat out unacceptable how many guns the R3/R7 cannot alert to.

How much of an impact this has on the customer? Not a lot. I would never recommend relying on a radar detector for passive laser protection. But that’s not the point. Attempting to advertise laser detection clearly is motivated by leading consumers to believe that it’s worth something. Otherwise this is as bogus as Cobra’s 14 band nonsense with VG-2 detection and whatnot.... except VG-2 detection and SWS actually did work.
 

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But for me it’s simple: if you’re going to advertise a capability, I expect it to work. And it’s flat out unacceptable how many guns the R3/R7 cannot alert to.
Unfortunately it’s not just the R7’s, or Uniden alone. It’s almost across the board with all of them at one degree or another.

The only one I can’t speak to is the V1 as I’ve never had one nor do I see myself buying one in the near future unless it was usable against MRCD.

As for Unidens, Escorts and Radenso’s? Those I can as I have a few of them.
 

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And it’s flat out unacceptable how many guns the R3/R7 cannot alert to.
Which guns do you know it doesn't alert to, and are they all VPR? Just curious as to whether it's consistent with my theory above.
 

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A great time to get targeted with laser to see if a particularly RD detects it is during laser jammer testing. I usually leave my radar detectors on while making the test passes. Once you do this a couple times you will never rely on a radar detector ever again to save you from laser. A lot of people around here have done that, hence the "meh" attitude regarding laser detection from radar detectors. Last time I tested I was using an R3 and only got alerts about 1/4 of the time and it hardly ever alerted to certain guns. Never alerted once from the rear.

It's true that the V1 is the best laser detecting radar detector, but it still won't save you 9 times out of 10 and it does laser false measurably more due to its increased sensitivity in this area.

If you live in an area where laser is used often and you feel that some of the top tier radar detectors are so expensive that you can't afford jammers, you should just buy cheaper radar detectors and still buy jammers.
My R3 has never alerted to legitimate laser, during testing or otherwise. We had another person from Maryland a while back who explained that Maryland may be a place where laser detection in a detector has some value. Unfortunately, laser isn't the R series' strong point. For most people, it's not a problem. If it's that big of an issue for you personally, the Escorts seem to do well. My RedLine EX always alerted. My V1 does well, too. But the R series, not so much (or not at all)
 

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Which guns do you know it doesn't alert to, and are they all VPR? Just curious as to whether it's consistent with my theory above.
I’ve tried TSS, DESL ECCM on, and Stalker XLR. It’s either VPR or high pulse rate that seems to be the culprit.... but ironically I don’t have any low pulse rate guns to test.


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My R3 has never alerted to legitimate laser, during testing or otherwise. We had another person from Maryland a while back who explained that Maryland may be a place where laser detection in a detector has some value. Unfortunately, laser isn't the R series' strong point. For most people, it's not a problem. If it's that big of an issue for you personally, the Escorts seem to do well. My RedLine EX always alerted. My V1 does well, too. But the R series, not so much (or not at all)
The RLEX and Redline are excellent LIDAR detectors IMO. They have a bunch of receive diodes in the front. They detect every gun used, and they rarely false too except to the same sources that ALPs false Poliscan to.

The MAX detectors are alright but not nearly as sensitive as the Redline, having only one receive diode.
 

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It would be really helpful to try and understand why someone is saying something before trying to impose your will on them. That will generally not work anyway and it can make people look like jerks. It can make the entire subgroup look bad. There's nothing wrong with listening.

If Maryland might be a place where there is a value to lidar detection as stated by @drtoddw, a lot of this could have been avoided. I for one would have liked to have heard more about this. It's not something that I have encountered.
 

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I have already had one legit alert by my R7 to lidar. Unfortunately, had left my dashcam at home that day.

My R3 isn't bad at laser (as long as it's one it detects)...lol

Skip to about 4:50 in this video...btw, this is down the street from Applied Concepts, and was one of their employees testing a lidar gun.


This one is all laser as I recall...LEO on the left at 0:20


This is one where the LEO was using Radar to determine someone is speeding, and then using laser to determine who. See around 1:50 where the laser alert PTs the Ka alert.

 
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It would be really helpful to try and understand why someone is saying something before trying to impose your will on them. That will generally not work anyway and it can make people look like jerks. It can make the entire subgroup look bad. There's nothing wrong with listening.

If Maryland might be a place where there is a value to lidar detection as stated by @drtoddw, a lot of this could have been avoided. I for one would have liked to have heard more about this. It's not something that I have encountered.
Here's the post to which I was referring

 

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It would be really helpful to try and understand why someone is saying something before trying to impose your will on them. That will generally not work anyway and it can make people look like jerks. It can make the entire subgroup look bad. There's nothing wrong with listening.

If Maryland might be a place where there is a value to lidar detection as stated by @drtoddw, a lot of this could have been avoided. I for one would have liked to have heard more about this. It's not something that I have encountered.
So ideal example of why it can be useful: last week I got lasered by the local sheriffs running TSS. As a handheld binocular gun the aim is super shaky unless they stabilize it on something.

I got 5 LIDAR alerts over the course of 3 blocks before finally seeing the cop target me directly. The whole time I was driving below 25 so my system was being entirely passive. Of course my R7 on my windshield was silent the whole time.

You can get scatter saves if you have a sensitive LIDAR receiver and can trust its alerts. Especially with guns that have wider beams and with sloppy targeting. You can’t depend on it, but a save is a save. Not everyone is excited about running active LIDAR CMs especially in banned states.
 

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It would be really helpful to try and understand why someone is saying something before trying to impose your will on them. That will generally not work anyway and it can make people look like jerks. It can make the entire subgroup look bad. There's nothing wrong with listening.

If Maryland might be a place where there is a value to lidar detection as stated by @drtoddw, a lot of this could have been avoided. I for one would have liked to have heard more about this. It's not something that I have encountered.
If I offered to give $100 to your favorite charity would you promise to stop commenting on R7 threads until you actually buy one for yourself?

I’m serious by the way I would do it. I promise.
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Which guns do you know it doesn't alert to, and are they all VPR? Just curious as to whether it's consistent with my theory above.
I’ve never gotten an laser alert on my R3 or R7. Both in the field or in testing. :-(

I have a PL3 and DET.
 
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I’ve never gotten an laser alert on my R3 or R7. Both in the field or in testing. :-(

I have a PL3 and DET.
Will it alert on the bench with either? I would think it could detect the PL3, that's not that tough a gun, is it?

In fact, my laser tester has the PL3 on it and all my Rs (1/3/7) alert to it.
 
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Will it alert on the bench with either? I would think it could detect the PL3, that's not that tough a gun, is it?

In fact, my laser tester has the PL3 on it and all my Rs (1/3/7) alert to it.
I will test it on the bench tomorrow when I get home from work. That’s a good idea. I’ll do a quick video also. I’ll post it here. I’m not too optimistic though.
 

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Strange, seems half the group have confirmed their R's alert to some types of laser and the other half report that they are totally deaf?
 

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Strange, seems half the group have confirmed their R's alert to some types of laser and the other half report that they are totally deaf?
Well, mine is mounted high, against my headliner, so I'm not surprised I haven't had it ever alert to laser. I have my ALP to do that work. My RedLine EX has no problem at the same location on my windshield.
 

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Strange, seems half the group have confirmed their R's alert to some types of laser and the other half report that they are totally deaf?
There are alot of variables, so if you don't have something (either a lidar gun or a lidar tester) where you can shoot your detector under controlled conditions, it's difficult to know. Some people have their RD mounted high, and I think that may be why they don't get laser detections, at least at closer range. Most of the time, a LEO is going to be shooting at your headlights or your grill. And as has been said plenty, the laser beam is only about 3 ft wide at 1000 feet. It's much smaller at closer distances.
 
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