Anyone else having their R7 not alert to Laser?

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caveat emptor especially with any claims and marketing mumbo jumbo from any manufacturer.

Most of us just don't care. As has been said many times in this thread, laser detection in the absence of active jamming is worthless most of the time.

You're entitled to your opinion and if you want to get on Uniden's case about it, that's your prerogative but it's not any hill I'd die on.
Opinion? I view what I posted as a fact, and I do not want to partake in any msg that says to the manufacturer that it is ok to shortchange us. Never.

It's your opinion that Laser detection is worthless most of the time, I am totally ok with your opinion or any one else's. My rub is when folks convey because I think this way and so and so think this way then it is Gospel, no further discussion is required, I decide and speak for everyone, I am going to force my beliefs on others etc.

I do not like X Band and MRCD, but I do not jump up and down, shout in every thread, force my belief on everyone else that it is worthless because I say it is worthless etc. etc.
 

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This is your opinion.



caveat emptor especially with any claims and marketing mumbo jumbo from any manufacturer.

Most of us just don't care. As has been said many times in this thread, laser detection in the absence of active jamming is worthless most of the time.

You're entitled to your opinion and if you want to get on Uniden's case about it, that's your prerogative but it's not any hill I'd die on.
True, it is my opinion, and it is also shared by concerned members here. Again, if you've missed it, i have jammers in all of my personal vehicles. But when I am using this device by itself, traveling in a vehicle that I do not own, it needs to work. Currently that appears not to be the case.
Hopefully this puts any rumours the R7 does not detect Lidar. These were from the back of the detector, not the front.

The feature does work, but you can’t change how wide the Lidar beam is at distance. It doesn’t pass through solid objects either or carry on like a radar past the target. That’s why they all have view finders on them and normal radar does not.

You can see the latch time as well.

Some radar detectors are better than others at picking it up just like they all have strength and weaknesses against K, Ka, and MRCD/MRCT. Still a Lidar hit is pretty quick. That’s why the suggested Automatic JTK is 4 seconds.

Review my posts above (94). I said my R3 does not alert to the VPR guns. I have been hit with them, and the detector was none the wiser.
 
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My R3 and R7 don’t detect TSS, Stalker XLR, or DragonEye at all. It detects a few of my remote controls so yeah maybe it’ll detect a 20 year old Ultralyte or something, but there’s definitely many modern guns that Unidens currently don’t detect.
 

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Do those testers scatter a light beam or are they narrow, like a LIDAR would shoot?

Thank you.
It’s somewhat scattered and very low powered. It won’t work from any real distance more than probably 10”.

You can see in my video, I wasn’t directly pointed at the rear light tube on top of the detector. Just the general area. Not directly in it.

The front would pick up better than the light tube, but it’s pretty much instantaneous except for the last button where I had to move the tester a little.

The best example of how much spread over distance example, would be a laser pointer.

Light is light and you really can’t change that. You also can’t have too strong of a laser either to over come that. You can buy them for fun and I have seen some that can light things on fire, but you wouldn’t see that in a Lidar gun.

There is some more in-depth information on some different things about it, but it’s in the advanced section of the forums for good reason.

Unlike radar, the Leo is specifically targeting a car. He’s doesn’t have to guess which car is speeding if they’re side by side, unlike radar that is a broad wavelength going out an traveling past the suspected target.

There’s lots of videos out there that show just how fast a Stalker or Dragon Eye can get a speed reading from the time the trigger is pulled to speed reading on the view finder.

I would side with the detector manufacturers, that have limited resources, that they should be concentrated on issues like BSM falsing, radar detection and others stuff, than Lidar which isn't anything it can do about or save you.

I know it sucks, and I know how much considering where I am and what I face. They are radar detectors. The Lidar, IMHO, is more marketing than useful with today’s modern Lidar guns.

That’s why there’s a market for ALP, TMG, LI, Blinder, ZW5 etc. Even then, and they are built for a specific purpose of detecting and jamming Lidar, they’re not foolproof either.

Having a high expectation of a RADAR DETECTOR being able to perform to the same level is somewhat unrealistic, and in most cases, unreliable.
 

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Here you go, a laser "detector" that even has a chance of Jamming!

117597


It's even cheaper than an R7!
It'll even tell you if you are about to hit something with your car (or are near a reflective sign).
For $749 you can get rear "detection" too.


:chord::p
 

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Here you go, a laser "detector" that even has a chance of Jamming!

View attachment 117597

It's even cheaper than an R7!
It'll even tell you if you are about to hit something with your car (or are near a reflective sign).
For $749 you can get rear "detection" too.


:chord::p
Hey.. none of the drop downs work. LOL!!
 
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My R3 and R7 don’t detect TSS, Stalker XLR, or DragonEye at all. It detects a few of my remote controls so yeah maybe it’ll detect a 20 year old Ultralyte or something, but there’s definitely many modern guns that Unidens currently don’t detect.
I think with RDs, there's 2 ways manufacturers can go.
  1. They just detect 904nm light, and will detect all guns, but at the cost of falsing more; or
  2. They detect 904 nm light but only alert to known, simple (i.e, non-variable) pulse rates (to avoid falsing). Therefor some guns won't be detected. I'm not sure whether an RD mfr can follow this path and be successful at alerting to VPR lidar guns. I don't think the circuitry/processing, etc. in the RD is sophisticated enough. But I'm just making an educated guess and could be wrong. Anyone know whether Whistler can detect and identify VPR guns?
I believe Uniden follows path 2. I believe Valentine and Escort follow path 1.
 
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What about the msg. you are sending to the manufacturer's that it's ok if all the features listed on the box do not work? Or work half ass? or is not important?
I agree with you. IMO the manufacture should take Laser detection off the box. It doesn’t work well enough to advertise it. But like I said that’s my opinion.

It’s also my opinion that it makes no difference. I don’t believe and will never believe anyone’s ever gotten a true save (I.e. no ticket while speeding) from ANY window mount RD. In other words they got hit with lidar or received scatter from lidar and slowed down and then got a direct hit and therefore got a save because of advanced notice.

Also in my opinion it’s absolutely wrong and just a plain lack of knowledge to depend on a window mount RD for even a teeny tiny bit of protection from lidar.
 

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except that for the some of us that we can't afford jammers that is all the chance we got, the V1 saved me a couple of times so it is not completely a crazy idea that it just may save you if the officer tries to hit you from too far or his hand is shaking
Agreed! My old V1 saved me quite a few times from laser over the many years I used one. I'm a little disappointed to hear the R7 does not pick up laser well. For those of us that can't afford jammers it's even that much more important that we have a decent RD that alerts to laser. And on top of that, jammers can't just be switched from one vehicle to another like a RD can. What is one supposed to do, say if there are 2 cars in the family and maybe a motorcycle to boot?
 

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I think with RDs, there's 2 ways manufacturers can go.
  1. They just detect 904nm light, and will detect all guns, but at the cost of falsing more; or
  2. They detect 904 nm light but only alert to known, simple (i.e, non-variable) pulse rates (to avoid falsing). Therefor some guns won't be detected. I'm not sure whether an RD mfr can follow this path and be successful at alerting to VPR lidar guns. I don't think the circuitry/processing, etc. in the RD is sophisticated enough. But I'm just making an educated guess and could be wrong. Anyone know whether Whistler can detect and identify VPR guns?
I believe Uniden follows path 2. I believe Valentine and Escort follow path 1.
Escort depending on detector follows 2 as well. Like the Redline couldn’t detect DET before the BS/RDR update too.

But certainly no radar detector has the fancy hardware/software that jammers have to identify guns by pulse pattern though IMO there’s no reason other than cost why they can’t. Pulse capturing hardware isn’t that hard to find and I doubt a radar detector is using those digital capture pins for anything.
 

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I can see both sides of this issue.

Interestingly, on many of the websites that sell the R7, it doesn't even mention laser detection. If you look at the Uniden page it does state "360 degree laser detection", so does the box.

I think the key here is that the R7 and many other devices are sold as "Radar Detectors" not "Laser Detectors". This indicates that the primary function is to detect Radar not Laser. There are many products in the world that offer secondary but significantly less capable additional functions. My ham radio can also be used as a police scanner under certain very defined conditions, but it is still a ham radio not a scanner and sold as such.

While I totally understand that some people really want the flagship device to offer the best of everything, I think that laser detection has just become an added extra thing to most detectors at this point. Like when Cobra says that they alert to 14 bands of radar.....yes, it's probably a bit misleading but it looks good on the box and it sells to the uninformed speeder that got a ticket and then saw the Cobra for sale at the local truck stop and thought, "This must be an incredible detector if it can scan that many bands".

I'd imagine that in the world of Uniden it they had to choose between false laser alerts from an ultra sensitive detector vs. a quiet detector with much less sensitivity, based on the previous complaints on these boards about R3 falses, they chose to go the quiet route.

No doubt knowing you've been hit by laser is good information....Yes, it's too late to slow down, but it could give you time to put your detector away and make some decisions about how you are going to handle the upcoming encounter with the nice police officer. Knowledge is almost always better than ignorance.

And speaking of ignorance, you guys realize that by being on this forum you are the 1%'s of the radar world right? You know more about radar than the majority of the police that use them. And the general public compared to you guys.....that's a joke....they don't even know what Lidar is! I gotta tell you, I learn something new everyday on this forum.
 

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Agreed! My old V1 saved me quite a few times from laser over the many years I used one. I'm a little disappointed to hear the R7 does not pick up laser well. For those of us that can't afford jammers it's even that much more important that we have a decent RD that alerts to laser. And on top of that, jammers can't just be switched from one vehicle to another like a RD can. What is one supposed to do, say if there are 2 cars in the family and maybe a motorcycle to boot?
Use Waze and hope the LEO shooting lidar is marked. And always keep your eyes open when you're exceeding the PSL.
 

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Use Waze and hope the LEO shooting lidar is marked. And always keep your eyes open when you're exceeding the PSL.
I'm willing to bet that Waze has more laser saves than any detector in existence.
 

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Laser detection in an RD is another one of those topics like arrows or apps where people are set in their opinions and refuse to consider any viewpoint beyond their own :(

Like many others, I have had at least two legit LIDAR saves with my V1 (here I'm defining "save" as: detecting scatter from a car in front being targeted, LEO not visible at first alert or marked on Waze, traveling in left lane at PSL++ at time of first alert).

Is a RD a good defense against LIDAR? No, a properly installed and tested set of laser jammers is the only real defense.

Is LIDAR detection in an RD worthless? Absolutely not.

The cost you pay for the V1's superior laser sensitivity is an increase in falses, as it will alert to any pulsed ~905nm IR light. Detectors that only look for certain fixed pulse rates false less, but won't alert to any VPR guns or any fixed pulse guns it's not programmed to.

In my experience, laser falses on the V1 are infrequent (according to my JBV1 alert log, I average between 0 and 1 per day), obvious (you'll see the oncoming Mazda or Volvo a hundred feet ahead you when you get the false), and brief (usually only a single alert when the offending car lines up just right). I'll gladly put up with this level of "annoyance" for the chance of a scatter save.
 

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I'm in Maryland and they use speed cameras. They are portable boxes that they move around from time to time. Some of these boxes shoot laser. My V1 will go full blast laser as soon as I pass one but my R7 does not alert to anything. I haven't marked anything and I've deleted all marked locations. Anyone have any idea what's going on? I'll try to get a video if I can.
The portable (semi-permanent) boxs in MD are poliscan laser. In MD, MRCD units are generally only found in a few mobile vans, or used to trigger RCLs.

Any RD that picks up laser should alert to poliscan, especially if you are traveling toward it in the direction opposite to the direction being monitored. I too would like to see all RD manufacturers delete laser circuitry and get smaller and cheaper, leaving that job to shifters that can actually do the job reliably.
 

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I'm willing to bet that Waze has more laser saves than any detector in existence.
Times a million. This topic is painful. This forum is meant to inform, help and educate people. It appears we have failed miserably on this thread. It does make one wonder how many people with detectors of any brand think they are protected or even slightly protected from lidar.
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Laser detection in an RD is another one of those topics like arrows or apps where people are set in their opinions and refuse to consider any viewpoint beyond their own :(

Like many others, I have had at least two legit LIDAR saves with my V1 (here I'm defining "save" as: detecting scatter from a car in front being targeted, LEO not visible at first alert or marked on Waze, traveling in left lane at PSL++ at time of first alert).

Is a RD a good defense against LIDAR? No, a properly installed and tested set of laser jammers is the only real defense.

Is LIDAR detection in an RD worthless? Absolutely not.

The cost you pay for the V1's superior laser sensitivity is an increase in falses, as it will alert to any pulsed ~905nm IR light. Detectors that only look for certain fixed pulse rates false less, but won't alert to any VPR guns or any fixed pulse guns it's not programmed to.

In my experience, laser falses on the V1 are infrequent (according to my JBV1 alert log, I average between 0 and 1 per day), obvious (you'll see the oncoming Mazda or Volvo a hundred feet ahead you when you get the false), and brief (usually only a single alert when the offending car lines up just right). I'll gladly put up with this level of "annoyance" for the chance of a scatter save.
You know I keep forgetting (perhaps purposely) that this a V1 thing not a general detector thing. It’s almost like a cult at this point. I have shot both VPR guns and non VPR guns at my V1 (all my RD’s actually) both with direct hits and offset shots. The only laser detection alerts I got were from direct hits. My R3 doesn’t detect any laser. If we are going to go on the whole hope of window mount RD’s saving us from laser why not go with a laser scrambler? Lol

 
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I don’t look at it that way. You inform and let people lay their cards on one side or the other.

I personally am not trying to change anyone’s mind. If they are certain that it can happen, that’s good.

I understand the frustration of the R7 being blind to certain Lidar strikes. To say it doesn’t work isn’t correct as I did show the option does work against my tester, but I agree it would be nice if it could be a little more refined.

Hopefully more people will buy Lidar guns, or go out and meet other enthusiasts when their doing a testing session and ask if you can have them shoot your RD or borrow a Lidar gun and play with it themselves.

You learn a lot when you get to be on both sides of the gun.
 

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