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Me and my R3 are just about to our first anniversary so I thought I’d throw up some of my experience so far. I’m not going to make some sort of how to drive in Texas combat guide but I will try and stick with the topic of radar execution.

DPS is at the top of the food chain, they have expensive encrypted radios that piss everyone off so much that radioreference bans all threads related to it because there’s so many. They are also the IO kings. This is because everyone and their mother has a budget detector. Sloppy IO or not (which it usually is) if you are the target you’re still not going to see it coming. They are smart enough not to shoot lagging wolf packs and such which most of the time on single lane roads you can consider to be dangerously selective. When I made a long haul on the interstate, it’s really not that hard to pick up a rabbit, but out here on the state highways and backroads is a whole different game and it’s hard to find anyone. DPS will consistently use IO rolling and in the occasional traps. They use it rolling vs. oncoming, same lane when you blast by them, and they’ll even load your face with the rear antenna if they see you coming up fast enough. In the event it is a trap, the classic move is to sit parallel to the road and shoot you with the rear antenna, they blend in as a stopped vehicle or hide around a corner/hill/overpass/bushe and sometimes get crafty with off axis. It’s almost always a single guy but they can clump up in a few mile radius of single guys. The times I’ve seen more than one guy together they’re either getting gas or just talking and not running enforcement. Also keep in mind that @87GN said that they’re prohibited from running enforcement in the center median.

What the most of us consider to be a saving grace is constant on. While there’s a lot of departments who try to copy DPS or the big cities running pacing teams, there is still a lot of constant on to be found. Examples are Burnet, Spring Branch, Boerne, and here in Brenham. It feels like 24/7 you’ll find a guy 2 miles away with CO. However, we should all be smart enough to know that at night they have the advantage. Most of the time you are still safe but as of now, I have caught all these departments shooting a very nasty IO. At about 10pm I got IO K banded in burnet coming into town, which the sheriff’s are known for but not the city guys like it happened. I got hit with rolling IO for the second time here in brenham at 10 at night, something that I could not believe the first time because of how lazy their radar tactics are around here. In spring branch at the same time I got a very DPS style IO from Bulverde PD right as you crest those rolling hills. In Boerne, where it has always been infamously IO from DPS and CO from locals, I’ve heard of sheriffs running IO at night, and I just caught Boerne PD shooting IO at about 2am hidden in some construction cones where the speed limit is 15 under. These nighttime IO conversions combined with the very light traffic flow in small towns combined with the very sneaky traps is lethal and if there wasn’t some sort of saving grace (just turned onto the road going to burnet, stuck behind a guy in spring branch, coming up to a stop sign in brenham and going the wrong way through a one way IO trap in Boerne) then I would have many more tickets up on my wall.

Just that much more proof that the only things certain in life are death and taxes.

Fellow Texans of much more experience, what are your thoughts and comments?
 
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Awesome write up! All really accurate from my experience. Almost every local department shoots co 34.7 but there's everything around here. Occasional 33.8, k band, instant on and laser is around but the last two are very rare.

I drive primarily in spring branch which has Bulverde pd as well as comal county sheriff's and they are nice and lazy usually. I got shot by rolling instant on yesterday from Bulverde though. They don't need fancy tactics - there's so many cars out there speeding unprotected. I guess you just never can get too comfortable because there's always a risk of I/O or laser if you're unprotected.

Waze is pretty useful on any big roads, people here use it which is awesome. Recently I've noticed many police move shortly after being marked on Waze though - so many times and so perfectly timed with Waze that I believe some officers monitor it. Never the less it's still useful and offers saves way too often to ignore.

Did @Deacon say that DPS specifically cannot run speed traps in the median? I'm curious about that. A while ago I read up on laws for police parking in the median with lights off but it was Bulverde pd. Im fed up with how often they park inside medians at night with no lights - it's illegal and dangerous.

Anyways, I probably didn't add anything additional to the thread but oh well, there's my 2 cents lol. Thanks for the post!

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Also keep in mind that @Deacon said that they’re prohibited from running enforcement in the center median.
Did I? I don’t remember that, nor do I recall that being a thing. I don’t think I’ve seen them in the median, now that I think of it, but I don’t think I remember it being a policy/rule.

DPS troopers do tend to take seriously the estimate-then-xmit-to-confirm approach more often than not. It’s not ironclad, as I’ve run into more than a couple running C/O. But I’ve been tagged by rolling I/O in a bad-luck situation where we both saw each other over a rise on a lonely country road suddenly and at very close range (took defensive driving). They’re all (or at least almost all) issued lidar units, but they don’t seem to like to use them. More of a pain in the butt not just rolling but even just sitting off the side of the road (the interstate middle-of-nowhere guys tend to find and use their favorite curves/crests and hiding spots) and watching traffic, just hit the xmit button when they’ve got something interesting. Lidar doesn’t seem to give them much advantage, especiallyconsidering how much easier it is to run radar. The vast majority have installed Stalker 34.7 units, but on occasion you’ll run across one with K.

Local/County guys are a fairly mixed bag. Depends a lot on the department, it seems like. Texas is a big state with all possible environments and approaches. All frequencies (and lidar) are in play, though 33.8 seems to be the least common, and it’s been over a decade since I’m aware of the last confirmed X anywhere. But many rural areas are fairly poor, and they tend to keep their older equipment running longer, so K is still fairly common. In my county it’s ALL K (from Kustom) unless DPS happens to be rolling through. 35.5 isn’t all that unusual to run across, but certainly the most prevalent across the state are K-band and 34.7 (Stalker is headquartered north of Dallas, so they’ve got home field advantage).

Local/County tends to be C/O unless they’re especially bored or especially gung-ho. They catch plenty of fish to fill their quotas without having to resort to specialized tactics. It’s not super rare that someone has even some crappy budget detector, but it’s still by far the minority, much less current top-tier offerings. When I’ve rolled around and shot my radar units, I’ve seen precious few brake lights and not all of them are even associated with radar. Tons of fast cars and fast drivers running unprotected, even coffee-can ricers running in packs weaving through traffic at high speed on a Saturday night. So they fill their quotas with dead-simple C/O and don’t feel a lot of pressure to think any deeper about it.
 

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33.8 isn't all that uncommon at least in my location - all the constables run it.

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Bryan college station?
If you're referring to constables the ones I'm talking about are in the spring branch/canyon lake area. Not sure where they belong to but they drive in that area.

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Me and my R3 are just about to our first anniversary so I thought I’d throw up some of my experience so far. I’m not going to make some sort of how to drive in Texas combat guide but I will try and stick with the topic of radar execution.

DPS is at the top of the food chain, they have expensive encrypted radios that piss everyone off so much that radioreference bans all threads related to it because there’s so many. They are also the IO kings. This is because everyone and their mother has a budget detector. Sloppy IO or not (which it usually is) if you are the target you’re still not going to see it coming. They are smart enough not to shoot lagging wolf packs and such which most of the time on single lane roads you can consider to be dangerously selective. When I made a long haul on the interstate, it’s really not that hard to pick up a rabbit, but out here on the state highways and backroads is a whole different game and it’s hard to find anyone. DPS will consistently use IO rolling and in the occasional traps. They use it rolling vs. oncoming, same lane when you blast by them, and they’ll even load your face with the rear antenna if they see you coming up fast enough. In the event it is a trap, the classic move is to sit parallel to the road and shoot you with the rear antenna, they blend in as a stopped vehicle or hide around a corner/hill/overpass/bushe and sometimes get crafty with off axis. It’s almost always a single guy but they can clump up in a few mile radius of single guys. The times I’ve seen more than one guy together they’re either getting gas or just talking and not running enforcement. Also keep in mind that @Deacon said that they’re prohibited from running enforcement in the center median.

What the most of us consider to be a saving grace is constant on. While there’s a lot of departments who try to copy DPS or the big cities running pacing teams, there is still a lot of constant on to be found. Examples are Burnet, Spring Branch, Boerne, and here in Brenham. It feels like 24/7 you’ll find a guy 2 miles away with CO. However, we should all be smart enough to know that at night they have the advantage. Most of the time you are still safe but as of now, I have caught all these departments shooting a very nasty IO. At about 10pm I got IO K banded in burnet coming into town, which the sheriff’s are known for but not the city guys like it happened. I got hit with rolling IO for the second time here in brenham at 10 at night, something that I could not believe the first time because of how lazy their radar tactics are around here. In spring branch at the same time I got a very DPS style IO from Bulverde PD right as you crest those rolling hills. In Boerne, where it has always been infamously IO from DPS and CO from locals, I’ve heard of sheriffs running IO at night, and I just caught Boerne PD shooting IO at about 2am hidden in some construction cones where the speed limit is 15 under. These nighttime IO conversions combined with the very light traffic flow in small towns combined with the very sneaky traps is lethal and if there wasn’t some sort of saving grace (just turned onto the road going to burnet, stuck behind a guy in spring branch, coming up to a stop sign in brenham and going the wrong way through a one way IO trap in Boerne) then I would have many more tickets up on my wall.

Just that much more proof that the only things certain in life are death and taxes.

Fellow Texans of much more experience, what are your thoughts and comments?
I'm the one who found the policy about not parking in the median. I do see locals doing it.
 

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I drive primarily in spring branch which has Bulverde pd as well as comal county sheriff's and they are nice and lazy usually. I got shot by rolling instant on yesterday from Bulverde though.

Did @Deacon say that DPS specifically cannot run speed traps in the median? I'm curious about that.
FWIW it was that 34.7 Taurus running the trap.

All I know about the no DPS in the median is that it was pulled out of a statute that they can’t run enforcement in the middle (probably to keep hot cars out of dry grass)

@87GN i fixed the quote for you maybe it was just Deacon who pointed it out.

And yes. Locals, sheriffs, and constables can definitely run radar in the median and do it in the center turn lanes as well.
 

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A few years back my friend worked the car pool in Austin and let’s say management was getting really tired of cars torched from grass fires and hot catalytic converters in the median. Also it is really incredibly dangerous to swing out in traffic busting a dirt throwing uturn which they loved to do for so long. The biggest change I’ve seen since the 1990s is the constant moving around. Driving opposite in the frontage road and putting around with rear antenna are the favorites. Each county sector has it fishing holes where they sit at the dip behind an overpass or hill with an entrance ramp conveniently near.
 

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On I-20 from Sweetwater to Abilene they have center median cables and some concrete wall areas. Very few turn around spots, but access roads on both sides. They like to drive the access roads towards the flow of traffic. Access roads are 55mph and I-20 is 75 mph. They dont even have to slow roll! They also park on shoulder facing traffic just past an overpass! That spot cooks many rabbits and "cobra" quality detectors!
 

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The last big overpass heading into east Abilene is one of two spots where I’ve seen them shoot me with the xlr
 

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The last big overpass heading into east Abilene is one of two spots where I’ve seen them shoot me with the xlr
Around Tye or where you exit 84/277 to go south towards Mall?
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Around Tye or where you exit 84/277 to go south towards Mall?
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That's good to know. I've never seen laser on west side of Abilene. Saw DPS shooting off of Elmdale Road overpass at WB I-20 traffic. LLH semi probably saved me even though I saw his Tahoe.
 
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Around Tye or where you exit 84/277 to go south towards Mall?
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That's good to know. I've never seen laser on west side of Abilene. Saw DPS shooting off of Elmdale Road overpass at WB I-20 traffic. LLH semi probably saved me even though I saw his Tahoe.
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I think it’s more to do more with Callahan co than Abilene they hit that county hard
 

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Well just last Saturday while testing my r7, I was making passes past my house (speed limit 60mph) and had a lock on MY radar signal while coming around the 30 degree bend in the road when all of a sudden I got the 2nd signal warning from my r7. I was doing 72 at the time....I looked up and there was the dps coming round the corner and hit me with the fastest I/O I have seen in a long time. I tossed the anchor...but too late...LoL He flashed his overheads on to warn me he had me but he kept going. Needless to say I stopped testing for a little and pulled the seat out of my a$$.:cool:. This was the first time I've been hit with I/O in that area in over a year. The DPS office in exactly 1 mile from my driveway on a road that crosses my road. So the sneaky LEO's are around and are still quick on the trigger....Lol:police3:
 

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One tried to blow me full face coming over a hill probably around Eastland co in the explorer but I had gotten a sniff on his last blast. He didn’t hit the xmt till I was around 100 feet or closer
 

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I think it’s more to do more with Callahan co than Abilene they hit that county hard
My parents in laws live between Clyde and Baird. Callahan Co. has always been hot since I started going there regularly in '93. Lived in Abilene from 12 to mid 15. Clyde used to run laser years ago but I haven't seen it there in a LONG time!
 

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