Say's that he had to go over 100 mph to catch up to me but it's just cause I was ahead of him already....

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Speeds close to 90mph is the key word here. This is really going to annoy me. I didn't even know the PSL was 55 on the highway right there. Speed signs don't even work as you can see from the video I linked(most of all the speed signs that light up don't work). I know that won't hold up anyway but it's very annoying. I was still in the left lane keeping up with the flow in front of me which was over PSL I was just the one in the back with no one else behind me so I guess he wanted to "pace" me which obviously he didn't do successfully. Again from my rear dash cam footage he just sped so fast obviously over 100mph like he said he had to do to catch me. He was only behind me for about 5-8 seconds. He caught up so fast
Do you see on your dash cam footage where you "Raced By" him?
 

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I'm moving to Georgia! I'd love to live in a place where all the missing kids have been found, the stolen cars recovered, and the violent fugitives caught! So much so that the police have time to make up pacing stories and right 5 over tickets.

On a serious note it shouldn't be hard to deal with this guy. He either paced you or he didn't. He's been recorded prattling on about how he has it on video. Of course if he'd actually paced you he'd know your speed exactly. Review your own footage. My guess is that he pulled a lazy pace and never actually got close enough to pace you or do it correctly but simply picked you out of a crowd and pulled the number out of his "hat" since he had to offer a number on the ticket. I'd definitely get their pacing policy and procedure to question him with. If it turns out he doesn't have video, why not!? I've tried a number of these cases myself with success. Just beware admitting to any given speed. I was once charged with 85 in a 60. I fought it and wound up getting convicted of 62 in a 60 because my passenger and I both testified seeing that speed on my radar. And it's true: I was going 62 on cruise for many miles before that trooper stopped me. That was my one loss.
 

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Thanks all! I'll keep you posted about this when everything settles. I think it should be able to get out as he didn't even write my speed on the ticket meaning he didn't successfully pace me. The part where it says "speeds close to 90" is the only place where it shows speed.
 

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Fight it! I was looking up Georgia State Code 40-6-181 and came across this; 40-6-189.

§ 40-6-189. Classification as super speeder; fees
(a) As used in this Code section, the term "department" means the Department of Driver Services.
(b) In addition to any other fines or penalties imposed by any local jurisdiction or the department, the department shall administer and collect a fee of $200.00 from any driver who is convicted of driving at a speed of 85 miles per hour or more on any road or highway or 75 miles per hour or more on any two-lane road or highway, as defined in Code Section 40-6-187. Such a driver, upon conviction, shall be classified as a "super speeder."
(c) The department shall notify offenders of the imposition of a fee under this Code section within 30 days after receipt of a qualifying ticket and notice of conviction. Failure to pay the fee imposed by this Code section within 90 days after receipt of the notice shall result in the suspension of the driver's license or driving privileges of the offender, and, in addition to the existing fees and penalties, a fee of $50.00 shall be assessed, payable upon the application for reinstatement of the driver's license or driving privileges. Notice shall be provided by the department to the offender by first-class mail to the address shown on the records of the department. Such mailed notice shall be adequate notification of the fee imposed by this Code section and of the offender's ability to avoid a driver's license suspension by paying the fee prior to the effective date of the suspension. No other notice shall be required to make the driver's license suspension effective.
(d) The department shall be authorized to promulgate rules and regulations to implement the provisions of this Code section.
(e) All fees collected under the provisions of this Code section shall be deposited in the general fund of this state with the intent that these moneys be used to fund a trauma care system in Georgia and the direct and indirect costs associated with the administration of this Code section. The Office of the State Treasurer shall separately account for all of the moneys received under the provisions of this Code section.
 

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He paced me for about 200-300 yards. He caught up so fast to me that he didn't have time to pace. He was just 100% assuming
One problem ..... SANDY SPRINGS COPS AND THE OFF DUTY OFFICERS that man the North Fulton County Annex are all two doors down from each other. Granted this was 20 years sho snd their situation may have changed, but those Kangaroo Traffic Court Judges are QUESTIONABLE st best.

I beat em 1 of three times.
I went to thr prosecutors Law Firm Office and told them I was told they would have the Regulations
When I went to court I told the judge i had the Westlaw interpretations of my case.
Judge looked at me and said how did you obtain that ??
I pointed yo the prosecutor and said her office gave it to me. Judge looked at her and said Why did you fo that?? She responded because he asked me.

CASE DISMISSED.

But I DOUBT WITH THR INTERNET SO AVAILABLE YHAT EOULD WORK TODAY ...

But rrmember yhe Traffic Court us a joke.

DO NOT REVEAL INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE THAT YOU WAS """". ONLY BREAKING THE LAW by
"this" amount. Yeah that will END BADLY !!!!

Try to establish the officer is """ mistaken """
(( NOT LYING ... That will also end badly. ))

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The approach i would take is to make a case that the officer never established that he paced me (using your rear camera as proof showing that he was never able to maintain my speed but was constantly gaining making it impossible to accurately estimate my speed. While you may have been going faster than 55 he was never able to prove it.

Good luck man. Remember its almost always how you present the information. if its respectful and clear i think you will do fine.
 

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While you may have been going faster than 55 he was never able to prove it.
Unless his video shows he was at 55MPH via GPS or VSS/Odometer when @Logan T passed. I'm speculating here; it may not indicate his speed, but the fact that the officer would be going 55MPH at the limit and be overtaken by another vehicle could be evidence itself.
 

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Another example of why I prefer to keep the speed display off the video my dashcam produces. The metadata is still there in the original if I wish to export it as subtitles. The only time having speed burned into the video frames itself by your dashcam will actually help you is if it literally shows at or below PSL. That’s...not terribly common for me, and the odds of me getting ticketed during those uncommon times are incredibly low.

If, on the other hand, a specific claim is made such as that he paced you, and he didn’t actually do so, that is something you can disprove with dashcam video, assuming you weren’t flying by traffic at the time or otherwise would incriminate yourself by the video. This would be especially helpful if you were legit flowing with traffic. It’s not like it’s impossible for a video forensics expert to estimate speed from the video even though speed isn’t represented from GPS in the video itself, but they probably aren’t going to drag them into court for a basic speeding ticket. And all you’re trying to do is show that the claim made by the officer is in doubt. The officer isn’t a liar, mind you—regardless of how true it might be that’s a fruitless hill to die on, but rather he was simply mistaken. It’s not required necessarily that you prove what mistake be made. A case of mistakenly confusing you with another car? A case of mistakenly failing to follow pacing protocol? It’s hard to say. Plus, if he didn’t maintain “contact” with you the whole time (lost sight of you, especially for more than a couple seconds), then the likelihood of a mistake on his part is much higher.
 

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Let us know how it goes. You should get it dismissed no problem and really get that guy in trouble. I would also just get rid of the plate frame and take a pic with a time stamp on it JUST IN CASE the judge mentions that and you can say you already removed the frame which would favor you greatly. As for the tail lights you would have to show us a pic so we can see how dark it is. I just want you to have everything on your side.

Edit, yea your tail lights are dark af...... not good regarding that
 

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Fight it. First thing i would ask the officer in Court is to show me a law that says it is a violation to go close to 90. There isn’t one. He has to list the speed. I would then ask the Court to dismiss the ticket, you aren’t even legally charged with a violation. Let the Court start first, I am pretty sure he can amend the ticket up until the hearing actually starts. Then put him on as a witness and ask what law you broke then. I don’t see how he can cite you for going just some speed that he thinks is too high. A citation has to be specific and by law the charge has to be easily understood as written for what you did, specifically, not generally. That is old common law. If you do some research I think you can handle this without paying an attorney huge amounts. Remeber to be respecdul to the Judge. Be respectful to the officer. Ask short questions.

Be sure to find out if the Court you are going to is a Court of Record or not. If it isn’t, it probably is what in this area is call a Justice of the Peace Court. Those are not real Judges, just people hired by a City or berg to come in and hear traffic cases. Those Judges can really be homers, so if you lose, appeal to a higher Court of Record. Since the hearing wasn’t done with a record, you get to start all over, you don’t have to appeal on the record. You can use what happened in the first trial to learn from so you do better then second time. But fight it, that is a BS ticket.
 
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Got a pacing ticket the ticket say's that I raced past him in the 1'st lane, and that he had to go over 100 mph to catch up to me and says I was doing 90 in a 55. I was going with the flow of traffic on the highway in the fast lane which yes was speeding but I was never going anything over 80. Just because he has to go over 100mph to catch up to me when I'm already ahead of him doesn't mean that I'm doing 90.
He kept telling me how he has it on his dash cam that I was doing 90 since he was doing 100... He kept telling me over and over that if I go into court and fight it that the judge will see the dash cam footage and that it will be hard to fight since I am the only one in the vehicle. He literally kept telling me that over and over to like "scare me" so I don't go to court.
I've never once had a speeding ticket and my record is clean.
What do you guys suggest?
His dashcam was off or malfunctioning and he had to Pace you to get the speed but has no actual evidence. I would have politely asked to see the footage as an exchange for me not going to court.
 

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he's blowing smoke - they are allowed to lie. his case is soft and that why he's talking so much. show up with a lawyer and he will fold-up like a cheap suite and toss the ticket. here is the pecking order in court (like playing poker) - lawyer beats popo, popo beats customer. the system will not allow a cop win over a lawyer - it would undermine the credibility of the law schools and set the precedence that all you need to do is attend the police academy to be your own lawyer..

cop told me he had a video and i told him he had to show it to me - the video had nothing - it started as he was walking to my car... call his bluff..
 

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Unless his video shows he was at 55MPH via GPS or VSS/Odometer when @Logan T passed. I'm speculating here; it may not indicate his speed, but the fact that the officer would be going 55MPH at the limit and be overtaken by another vehicle could be evidence itself.
i would hope it would be obvious that he wouldn't incriminate himself.
 

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Yeah get a lawyer and let him handle it. Putting "almost 90" is a guesstimate. They will probably drop it to parking ticket status just because they know he didn't use a proper method to measure your speed. Usually LEOs around here would just put exceeding a safe speed if they didn't actually measure it and they wanted to be assholes.
 

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Officer doing 100+ to catch up could me he's doing 100 to catch up to you doing 40, or 50, or, or, or, etc. You are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. The prosecution needs to prove you were breaking the law.
 

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Officer doing 100+ to catch up could me he's doing 100 to catch up to you doing 40, or 50, or, or, or, etc. You are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. The prosecution needs to prove you were breaking the law.
That's not how traffic court works at all, it's supposed to. But it's not. The judge will take the officers word every day over yours. Bring evidence, or prepare to be found guilty.

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Remember it Not A Real Court BUT it does have the Authority to issue REAL PENALTIES ... even jail time Albeit they RARELY/NEVER go to that extent.

My ADVICE ... BE CAREFUL.
Think EVERYTHING you say will be in front of a jury .. it wont but use your words carefully.

These judges are CLOSE FRIENDS with the Officers usually ... snd YOU ARE just ANOTHER PERP !!

Do NOT FORGET that.

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I think the main problem here is "About 90".

What does that mean? My 80 year old Dad would consider anything over 55 as going about 90. My kid could be doing 125 and consider that about 90.

So, what is considered about 90? Very subjective statement.

All the cop knows is he had to speed to catch up with you. If traffic was medium to heavy, he might have had a tough time catching up and couldn't pace you.
 

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