Uniden R3 Laser Fail, 80/65, Minnesota

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But to shoot laser at you, they got to be parked and stationary and visible and it seems that if you are not distracted, you should be aware of parked cars while on highway, get that foot off soon as you see a car parked, determine its not a cop and then speed on.
It sounds like maybe you haven't ever shot cars with a LIDAR gun. My TruSpeed S can pick off cars from 2000 feet away. If you hold out your thumb at arm's length and look at your fingernail, then take 1/16 of the size of that fingernail (divide it up into 4 columns and 4 rows and take one square), that's what a car looks like at 2000 feet away. A lot of guns have magnifiers on them; my TruSpeed S magnifies images 7x when you look at them through the viewfinder. You're not going to see a cop at that distance before he can see you. But it gets worse. Sometimes, they'll hide the cruiser behind a wall, some bushes, a road sign, etc., and peek out from behind it and shoot traffic. Sometimes they'll be on a motorcycle, which is much smaller than a car. Sometimes they'll stop said motorcycle in the shade of an overpass on a sunny day, etc. If you want to speed, you need jammers.
 
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The same thing happened to me with a V1. I decided I’d rather pay ALP than local governments.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's better to pay $2000 to countermeasure companies than it is to pay 1¢ to the mafia.
I’ve had a couple of semi saves when I ran the V1 but you had to be head on with a lot of traffic in front of you to get that scatter. Oblique shots and light traffic fuggetaboutit

Spend the money on nice gifts for our community defenders rather than the revenuers
 

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The same thing happened to me with a V1. I decided I’d rather pay ALP than local governments.
That is an interesting way to look at it. You are probably right. A ticket is probably around 300 dollars, at least. Consider time lost fighting it. Consider higher insurance costs. An Attorney isn’t going to come cheap. I can not imagine you going to trial, even civil trial, for under 1500 dollars. And then you have to sit there and really worry about getting a second one. What does an ALP cost? I think I will look into it, makes sense.
 

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It was a trooper in Ramsey County. At the time I didn't want to escalate the situation and ask what gun he was using.
I have since spoken to a hearing officer and have requested a court date. I know there are a couple options since I have a good record.
Not worried about laser counter measures as I rarely frequent the cities.
Local cops in rural areas don't use laser in Minnesota.
I have only seen troopers use laser on the interstates or in a metro area of Minnesota.
If you pay attention, Waze will usually save you from a laser trap in most instances I have seen in 3+ years of driving around Minnesota.
However, if I did live in or near the cities, I would definitely buy an ALP setup or equivalent. For now, it's R7 for the fast cars and R3 for the grocery-getter :)
 

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However, if I did live in or near the cities, I would definitely buy an ALP setup or equivalent. For now, it's R7 for the fast cars and R3 for the grocery-getter :)

Radar Detectors are useless against Lidar, period. Without a LJ, your next best hope is by using Waze and hoping somebody was kind enough to mark him. Just like in the video @Vortex posted today, the LEO that shot him was NOT posted to Waze until Vortex posted him!
 

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It was a trooper in Ramsey County. At the time I didn't want to escalate the situation and ask what gun he was using.
I have since spoken to a hearing officer and have requested a court date. I know there are a couple options since I have a good record.
Not worried about laser counter measures as I rarely frequent the cities.
Local cops in rural areas don't use laser in Minnesota.
I have only seen troopers use laser on the interstates or in a metro area of Minnesota.
If you pay attention, Waze will usually save you from a laser trap in most instances I have seen in 3+ years of driving around Minnesota.
However, if I did live in or near the cities, I would definitely buy an ALP setup or equivalent. For now, it's R7 for the fast cars and R3 for the grocery-getter :)

Sorry to say this but if it was a trooper, it's a ticket. Also all surrounding metro counties have laser not just troopers. Also almost all metro local PDs have and run laser on all roads. Most are PL3 but I've seen Edina running a TruSpeed.

And troopers will run laser waaaay outside the cities. I've seen trooper speed traps with laser in BFE Duluth, st cloud, le seurer(one of the more favs), mankato, madelia, worthington, owatona, gaylord, osakis all over and other area random towns you wouldn't expect.

And to top it off state patrol has that new super spy plane for VASCAR.

If you are going to run 90 in a 65 without jammers it's only a matter of time.

My last few years I have been seeing laser ramp up in MN.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's better to pay $2000 to countermeasure companies than it is to pay 1¢ to the mafia.
Wow! I could not agree more. Government is the mafia. ALL Government.
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I actually had 4 LIDAR saves in the 2002 - 2007 timeframe from scatter (was running an 8500 x 50 at the time). 2 were from more than a (straight and level) mile away, and the other two were just dumb luck. That said, drive less than PSL + 10 or get jammmers.
My brother....... when you say things like this, and I believe you, you are giving these new guys or people without much experience hope that their radar detector will/can save them from lidar. I could put it in another way like this. I have actually won money from scratch off’s before. However you have a much much much higher probability of winning money from a scratch off then you do from getting a lidar save from ANY RD. There have been some pretty stubborn members on other threads insisting they get lidar saves all the time with their RD. I don’t believe it. Not for a second. If that were true so long as you always had a rabbit you would never get caught with lidar. You would always detect the rabbit taking the hit. Also people with R series detectors need to know that those things don’t pick up Laser for crap. :)
 
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Scatter saves and VVaze alerts are great, but they depend on the traffic and vvaze users ahead of you. Yes, I've had v1 laser saves and more vvaze saves than I can count or remember before I joined RDF and learned more about ALP. I'll tell you what, that first totally unexpected ALP save is an eye opener and definitely pays off!

It is not a question of IF, but WHEN!

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Wow! I could not agree more. Government is the mafia. ALL Government.
Well, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I recently got into a spat with a company that runs some EV chargers in a parking garage around here. Their billing policy is really stupid: instead of billing by the kWh, they bill by time. But instead of doing something sensible like billing in increments of 1, 5, or even 10 minutes, they bill $1.25 an hour in increments of 1 hour. In other words, you charged for 1 hour, 2 seconds? Sorry, that's $2.50 for 2 full hours. Complete BS but whatever. I decided that if they're going to play this game, then I'm going to get every last second out of the thing before unplugging, so I'll literally set my watch timer for exactly 1 hour and then unplug at 1 hour elapsed time, to the second. But then I noticed that I started getting hit with charges of $2.50 on my credit card statement. I even tried unplugging at 59 minutes, 59 seconds one time, and nope, same problem.

Negotiations directly with the merchant had gone on for over 2 months now, without resolution. They kept saying they would refund the money but never did, and they kept saying that they'd bring this issue to the attention of the billing department, but it apparently hasn't been done because I just got hit with another $2.50 charge. So the last time, I was rolling video of the entire incident, and I plugged in exactly on the hour, and unplugged exactly on the hour (with my hourly watch chime going off at that exact moment for a more dramatic effect). I also put a screenshot of the credit card charge into the video and narrated the whole then, then sent that to the merchant, which again promised action. And recently, their billing department contacted me back, basically saying "It's not our problem, your issue is with the person who owns the property (it's a parking garage for retail stores) as they set the billing policy." Which by the way is not the issue at all. The issue is that even if the billing policy is stupid, they don't get to redefine what 1 hour is. 1 second is, by international standard, 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation produced by transitions between the two hyperfine ground states of Cesium-133 atoms. So 1 hour is simply 60*60 or 3600 of those time intervals. There is absolutely no ambiguity here.

So anyway, after they gave me that BS, I contacted my bank and disputed the charges. I also sent the entire video I made to my bank, which took less than 12 hours to make the refunds permanent. I have also sent a complaint to the Department of Weights and Measures. But if there wasn't a government, I wouldn't have a Department of Weights and Measures to complain to in the first place, who can hold these idiots accountable. Nor would there be an "international standard" for time in the first place without a BIPM which itself is an inter governmental organization.

As it relates to speeding, can you imagine the complete chaos that would ensue if LEOs (or even worse, LIDAR manufacturers or speed camera companies) were allowed to redefine the second or the meter? Because speed is a distance divided by a time, so if they define distance to be shorter or time as longer than is accepted, then they just increased your speed.

And also, the next time you pump gas, take a look at the pump. It probably has a sticker on it that says "inspected/tested OK" and has your county or state's Weights and Measures department seal on it. This keeps stations honest, so they can't set their pumps up to pump 0.90 gallons and bill you for 1.00 gallons. Government has a role in protecting people from all types of ripoffs/fraud, rampant pollution, etc., that would occur if everything was unregulated.

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My brother....... when you say things like this, and I believe you, you are giving these new guys or people without much experience hope that their radar detector will/can save them from lidar. I could put it in another way like this. I have actually won money from scratch off’s before. However you have a much much much higher probability of winning money from a scratch off then you do from getting a lidar save from ANY RD. There have been some pretty stubborn members on other threads insisting they get lidar saves all the time with their RD. I don’t believe it. Not for a second. If that were true so long as you always had a rabbit you would never get caught with lidar. You would always detect the rabbit taking the hit. Also people with R series detectors need to know that those things don’t pick up Laser for crap. :)
I used to drive between the SF Bay Area and San Diego multiple times per year when I was in grad school. I would exceed 90 mph all the time, for a considerable part of the way, and 100 mph at times too. And I never got a ticket. Was it because I didn't get LIDARed? I'm honestly not sure, as I didn't have CMs at the time. I think it was probably just luck. If an officer did see how fast I was going, maybe he looked at my car, decided it wasn't a very "fast" car and that was about as fast as I'd ever go, and decided to look for a bigger fish with a more expensive car. Maybe he was looking for 95 and I was only done 92. Whatever the reason, I didn't get ticketed. Until I got nabbed for 57/50 on the Bay Bridge (tossed in court) and then for 85/65 on Interstate 880.
 
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Off Topic, the charging of EVs should by law be only by the actually amount of Kw/Hr of electricity that is used to charge the EV no matter how long that takes. EV charging is NOT universal, it is completely dependent on the size of the charging capacity the manufacture chooses plus the computer monitoring the charging. As an example chargers are not even equal within the same model EV. The base Leaf takes twice as long to charge as the top of the line Leaf because the base model's charge is half the KW size of the Premium Leaf. So when being charged two cents per second to charge and it takes 4 hours to top of the Premium at $4.80, the base is only half topped off and must pay 9.60 when both vehicles actually used the exact same amount of electricity!
 

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Off Topic, the charging of EVs should by law be only by the actually amount of Kw/Hr of electricity that is used to charge the EV no matter how long that takes. EV charging is NOT universal, it is completely dependent on the size of the charging capacity the manufacture chooses plus the computer monitoring the charging. As an example chargers are not even equal within the same model EV. The base Leaf takes twice as long to charge as the top of the line Leaf because the base model's charge is half the KW size of the Premium Leaf. So when being charged two cents per second to charge and it takes 4 hours to top of the Premium at $4.80, the base is only half topped off and must pay 9.60 when both vehicles actually used the exact same amount of electricity!
Yeah but some states (not CA though) have laws on the books that prevent any entity other than a utility from charging for power by the kWh. Can you believe that? In some cities, like Palo Alto, you pay by the kWh, but after the car finishes charging and a 15-20 minute grace period expires, it starts billing by the minute if you don't move the car. Seems fair, right? The problem is that some cars (Teslas in particular) have the ability to set the charge current, so some vehicle owners, in bad faith, slow down their charge rate from 48A to 10A in order to be able to park there for longer without paying extra. There needs to be some way of forcing vehicles to charge at their fastest rate AND bill by the kWh, and charge by time if someone is slowing down the charge rate in order to park there for longer than necessary.
 

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Yeah but some states (not CA though) have laws on the books that prevent any entity other than a utility from charging for power by the kWh. Can you believe that? In some cities, like Palo Alto, you pay by the kWh, but after the car finishes charging and a 15-20 minute grace period expires, it starts billing by the minute if you don't move the car. Seems fair, right? The problem is that some cars (Teslas in particular) have the ability to set the charge current, so some vehicle owners, in bad faith, slow down their charge rate from 48A to 10A in order to be able to park there for longer without paying extra. There needs to be some way of forcing vehicles to charge at their fastest rate AND bill by the kWh, and charge by time if someone is slowing down the charge rate in order to park there for longer than necessary.
I already hear about 2+ hour waiting times for supercharger stations in the bay area...
 

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Sorry to say this but if it was a trooper, it's a ticket. Also all surrounding metro counties have laser not just troopers. Also almost all metro local PDs have and run laser on all roads. Most are PL3 but I've seen Edina running a TruSpeed.

And troopers will run laser waaaay outside the cities. I've seen trooper speed traps with laser in BFE Duluth, st cloud, le seurer(one of the more favs), mankato, madelia, worthington, owatona, gaylord, osakis all over and other area random towns you wouldn't expect.

And to top it off state patrol has that new super spy plane for VASCAR.

If you are going to run 90 in a 65 without jammers it's only a matter of time.

My last few years I have been seeing laser ramp up in MN.
Well said. You are getting into BFE up there! Scary to know they use it in the middle of nowhere. I have been known to drive triple digits north of there.

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Expecting to defeat a laser gun with a radar detector is like expecting to kill a 1200 lbs Kodiak Bear with a 9mm pistol.......................you can shoot it, but it don't do you much good.
 

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