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FWIW, you may have better results with "paint prep" spray from the manufacturer who makes the coating - they sometimes clean the surface and leave some chemicals on the surface to help bonding. IPA is a close second best in many cases.
Sadly it looked like Xpel is hoping to keep this a dealer only type product, other than an after coating QD type spray nothing else was available... I grabbed some blackfire coating QD for routine upkeep
 

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In my opinion if your going through all the trouble to prep your vehicle for these new sprays coming out, why not go all in on a actual coating. Some of these sprays are 45, 50$ and up. Which you can get a quality coating for.
I like the new sprays much better, for several reasons. But a real quality ceramic should cost you over $100, at the least.
 

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I like the new sprays much better, for several reasons. But a real quality ceramic should cost you over $100, at the least.
There are plenty of quality ceramic coating options out there from very reputable companies for well under 100. Carpro, gyeon, mckees to name a few.
 

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There are plenty of quality ceramic coating options out there from very reputable companies for well under 100. Carpro, gyeon, mckees to name a few.
IIRC the Car Pro Coatings, even Cquartz 3.0 is quite a bit less than $100. The only thing that keeps me from using it is my tendency to apply last step products
(LSP) sealants, waxes etc. too heavily. That would make for quite a PITA to correct. That seems to be less of a problem with the spray products. I do like every Car Pro product that I have tried!

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IIRC the Car Pro Coatings, even Cquartz 3.0 is quite a bit less than $100. The only thing that keeps me from using it is my tendency to apply last step products
(LSP) sealants, waxes etc. too heavily. That would make for quite a PITA to correct. That seems to be less of a problem with the spray products. I do like every Car Pro product that I have tried!

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Both my truck and my wife's jeep are coated. Mine with carpro uk3.0 and my wife's with gyeon pure then cancoat as a topper.

I agree, carpro products are top notch, I just wanted to try another brand out on her jeep. I use carpro reset for washes and carpro elixr as a detail spray. Every month or so I hit both vehicles with some carpro reload also.

Theres a ton of great options that wont break the bank when it comes to coatings, I will say tho so far the gyeon can coat has been the most hydrophobic product I've seen, and was the easiest to apply.
 

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Both my truck and my wife's jeep are coated. Mine with carpro uk3.0 and my wife's with gyeon pure then cancoat as a topper.

I agree, carpro products are top notch, I just wanted to try another brand out on her jeep. I use carpro reset for washes and carpro elixr as a detail spray. Every month or so I hit both vehicles with some carpro reload also.

Theres a ton of great options that wont break the bank when it comes to coatings, I will say tho so far the gyeon can coat has been the most hydrophobic product I've seen, and was the easiest to apply.
I have used the Elixir and am very happy with it! It is not a dust magnet, and it is easy to apply in cold temperatures. From what I have read, it is also easy to use in warm temperatures and higher humidity too. The newest Reload formula is much easier to apply and less likely to streak.

One of my concerns about coatings is all the complaints I have read about water spotting. Using sealants and waxes, I have never had trouble with water spotting from rain (I am in the Midwest). The only water spotting I have ever had is from washing using the outside water faucet where the water is hard and I miss a few spots when drying my car off. I see all those detailing forum posts about water spotting from just rain. Is that really an issue or just an internet myth?

I have had absolutely zero water spotting from using Essence Extreme Gloss Enhancer and Reload, and using Elixir on top.

Will definitely check out the Gyeon coating I have read good things about it!

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I have used the Elixir and am very happy with it! It is not a dust magnet, and it is easy to apply in cold temperatures. From what I have read, it is also easy to use in warm temperatures and higher humidity too. The newest Reload formula is much easier to apply and less likely to streak.

One of my concerns about coatings is all the complaints I have read about water spotting. Using sealants and waxes, I have never had trouble with water spotting from rain (I am in the Midwest). The only water spotting I have ever had is from washing using the outside water faucet where the water is hard and I miss a few spots when drying my car off. I see all those detailing forum posts about water spotting from just rain. Is that really an issue or just an internet myth?

I have had absolutely zero water spotting from using Essence Extreme Gloss Enhancer and Reload, and using Elixir on top.

Will definitely check out the Gyeon coating I have read good things about it!

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I have had some issues with water spots, mainly if my truck is dirty and it rains then the sun comes out. I had that happen once and I had waterspots all over that took a while to get off.

So in that regard it does happen. I was actually very surprised.
 

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I have had some issues with water spots, mainly if my truck is dirty and it rains then the sun comes out. I had that happen once and I had waterspots all over that took a while to get off.

So in that regard it does happen. I was actually very surprised.
This exact instance is the bane of my existence, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. But relating it to coatings, does anybody have experience with water spots etching more/less/not at all on certain coatings?
 

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This exact instance is the bane of my existence, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. But relating it to coatings, does anybody have experience with water spots etching more/less/not at all on certain coatings?
I've never had them "etch" in to the point where I have to buff, i had a few spots that were stubborn and used carpro essence plus by hand that took them right off.
 

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Anyone ever apply or have applied a ceramic coating? Happy with it? I got my hands on a Xpel Fusion Plus 9h kit today....Think I might apply it to the SQ5 Sunday....
Yes I did I paid $50 for it off Amazon. Be very very very careful to make sure to apply a very think layer than wait 2 min and buff off. I made a msitake and at the first stroke I used the wrong side of the sponge and waited 3 min and now I have a visible smear from over application.

I applied it to my new Volvo right when I got it and it survived Phoenix sun, bird poop, Virginia and now texas it's been 3 years and it's still going strong.

When applied correctly it's an amazing protection for your car. I chose it because my Volvo is black.
 

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This is a topic I have been seriously thinking about over the last few months. I am a LOVER of Menzerna's/Jescar Power Lock paint sealant. I have researched, and spent hours looking at ceramic coatings.

This time around, I am STILL not going for ceramic coatings. Here is why.

1) Paint sealant (good ones at least), last a solid 6-8 months. Because I love the process, I apply it once a month anyways, but let's just say I didn't....
2) Ceramic coatings last, say, what, 2-3 years? Well, the only issue with people stating that is that hairline scratches from car washes or whatever, they do impact the coating, and you still do end up with very minor spider like 'scratches'. The ONLY way to "get" those out is to polish it (not advisable when you have a coating), or to apply a sealant/wax/or more coating in order to get that top layer smooth again (same idea behind waxing/sealant-ing). So if you want a perfect paint finish, or as close to one, ceramic coatings do NOT really help here, other than the fact that they are hard as balls compared to a sealant so may be able to resist things better.

Most importantly to me though. The issue is what happens if an application goes wrong. You can't just remove ceramic coatings with IPA. You literally have to polish it away and/or use other chemicals meant to strip silicone.

That's a frigging nightmare.

I welcome anyone to challenge me here, but I don't think I've said anything here that is incorrect.
 

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Some Ceramic Pro 9h I had on my 89 GTR after 5 years. I'll be doing it on all my cars with pain I care about here on out.
 

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