Upgrade from 436 to 100?

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I recently bought the BCD436HP and I didn't feel there was much use in getting the SDS-100. My scanning needs are simple and besides, the PSP is encrypted.
Is there really a major difference between the two units? Enough to consider the costs?
 

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Not unless you have money to burn. I'm no expert but your going to hear the same things you do now.
Obviously you're not going to pick up encrypted with either. I have read that the 100 is better at simulcast.
If you aren't having problems with that then save your money.
 

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Yeah, the simulcast transmissions... If MOST of your listening has garbled transmissions it might be in your better interest to go for the 100 as it has special circuitry to fix this. Otherwise the 486 is very capable.
 

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I did the deed.

Got the 436 but to me it felt like it's outdated. Sure is, the GPS wires are terrible and old connections brings me back to early 90's. So I returned...

On the contrary the new 100 has a much better look and feel. It's also waterproof.

As far as performance yes Simulcast and repeaters are much better on the sds and less wires for a GPS to work.

Now, can anyone confirm if Uniden have fixed the low frequencies issue was mentioned last year?
 
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GPS wires are terrible
That's why the GPS mods on these units are so great. Though the original person that did mine is currently in prison, I believe there are other ppl that can do the mod also.
 

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Hey @surprisinguy I may' even heard of someone at RR very knowledgeable on this matter

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The SDS-100 is a great scanner for picking up simulcast systems. It has great range on 700-800 MHz too! The only problem I had with it was that you cannot use it if you have X band enabled in your radar detector. It will make your radar detector false like crazy on X band.

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Like others have said, ONLY if you are in an area with simulcast systems/issues. The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz so I'd not waste my money on it personally.... the Pro-2006 or 780XLT has a much better front end, the 100 is pretty much a 700mhz and above specific radio in my opinion but fun none the less. ;)

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Like others have said, ONLY if you are in an area with simulcast systems/issues. The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz so I'd not waste my money on it personally.... the Pro-2006 or 780XLT has a much better front end, the 100 is pretty much a 700mhz and above specific radio in my opinion but fun none the less. ;)

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How does the 200 compare to the 100?

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Not trying to downplay the BCD436HP - cause its great.
But spend the extra $$ if you can on the SDS100 which does GREAT with Simulcast P25 systems. Much better...Major cities like Austin / Texas / Dallas area...etc...now on P25 simulcast and reception is much better on a SDS100.
I keep hearing vague references like the one above that, “The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz...” and more generally that it’s not as good on analog, but no one has really explained what that means. My home areas are mostly analog with some P25 Phase I and EDACS. I’m not often in Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc, where apparently simulcast systems exist, but I do take road trips.

It would be great for me to know:

1) How “bad” at simulcast is the 436, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
2) How “bad” at analog (or under 700MHz) is the SDS100, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
3) Are there any readily available means for integrating GPS internally on the SDS100?

My dream scanner would do everything well, of course, but what would be especially ideal is built-in GPS along with BTLE with an app that would duck my phone’s streaming music (or pause audiobooks/podcasts) for incoming transmissions like V1Driver does (or Waze, Google Maps, etc). To my knowledge no such perfect scanner exists.
 

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(From another thread)

I keep hearing vague references like the one above that, “The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz...” and more generally that it’s not as good on analog, but no one has really explained what that means. My home areas are mostly analog with some P25 Phase I and EDACS. I’m not often in Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc, where apparently simulcast systems exist, but I do take road trips.

It would be great for me to know:

1) How “bad” at simulcast is the 436, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
2) How “bad” at analog (or under 700MHz) is the SDS100, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
3) Are there any readily available means for integrating GPS internally on the SDS100?

My dream scanner would do everything well, of course, but what would be especially ideal is built-in GPS along with BTLE with an app that would duck my phone’s streaming music (or pause audiobooks/podcasts) for incoming transmissions like V1Driver does (or Waze, Google Maps, etc). To my knowledge no such perfect scanner exists.
Spend some time over on radio reference in the Uniden forums, we talk about this stuff EVERY day.... I own a 200 and a 100 and within the last 4 minutes posted more info... there are lots of those questions answered over there. Not trying to take you off here, but you may learn someting you can bring back, like this item I posted recently...

I posted the below in another thread about if you could use Proscan on a tablet..... did a short clip for him..... it works fantastic on a Win 10 tablet, the audio is crystal clear, I wish I could say the same about the audio direct from the SDS200... Proscan rocks!!!!!! I may have to hide the buzzy scanner in another room and just use LAN it's so quiet.

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So forgive the dizzy inducing movement of the camera and the nosedive you take when I had to put the camera down to detach it from the dock, I was using my iPhone one handed.... Here's a quick clip of what Proscan looks like running on a Win 10 tablet via a Vonet wi-fi bridge on the scanner. The audio on the tablet is crystal clear, in fact the scanner audio is turned all the way down but you can still here masive buzz in the background, ON TOP of the dispatch audio. Like I always said, the firmware update only shuts off the audio between transmissions, it does nothing to the audio on calls, you still have the buzz once transmission starts. I then turn down the tablet volume and hold the camera near the EXTERNAL speaker (I'm so tired of people saying the buzz is only on the internal speaker).

Note, this is a large file, start it up then hit pause so it can start coming down or you'll have no audio.

http://jenniferbond.com/images/proscan-tablet-buzz.mov

People continue posting reviews saying the buzz issue was fixed with the metal chunk hack and firmware, I disagree.

Jen
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There's simulcast in my city and I only have very few transmissions that I cant understand (486)
 

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in the Uniden forums, we talk about this stuff EVERY day
I imagine so. I was just hoping those questions were simple enough that the experts (you being one of them of course) would be willing to share your knowledge for those of us who aren’t hardcore enough.
 

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I imagine so. I was just hoping those questions were simple enough that the experts (you being one of them of course) would be willing to share your knowledge for those of us who aren’t hardcore enough.
Ditto.... response to Deacon or my same questions like one would speak to C’level person. Make the points where most could understand. If that is possible.

I relate to exactly what Deacon said with his questions and request.
 

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When it comes to simulcast P25 reception, SDS100 > 436 > 396XT. Whether you need the additional simulcast capability of the SDS100 depends on the systems in your area. The 436 may serve your needs just fine. And you may have few ,if any, difficult to monitor simulcast systems in your travels. I would spend some time surfing the Texas subforum on RR to get a sense of which systems in Texas are problematic and other scanner user's experience with those systems.

I don't have much in the way of analog and/or VHF systems, so I can't tell from my own experience if there are tradeoffs between "800" performance and VHF. It is by far the most sensitive 800 MHz scanner I have ever heard.

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I keep hearing vague references like the one above that, “The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz...” and more generally that it’s not as good on analog, but no one has really explained what that means. My home areas are mostly analog with some P25 Phase I and EDACS. I’m not often in Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc, where apparently simulcast systems exist, but I do take road trips.

It would be great for me to know:

1) How “bad” at simulcast is the 436, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
2) How “bad” at analog (or under 700MHz) is the SDS100, and what does that actually mean in real-world experiences?
3) Are there any readily available means for integrating GPS internally on the SDS100?

My dream scanner would do everything well, of course, but what would be especially ideal is built-in GPS along with BTLE with an app that would duck my phone’s streaming music (or pause audiobooks/podcasts) for incoming transmissions like V1Driver does (or Waze, Google Maps, etc). To my knowledge no such perfect scanner exists.
I can't speak to your specific area in South Central TX but I've taken the 436 on several road trips across N. TX (from Little Rock, AR to Wichita Falls, TX following Hwy 82) and have had no reception problems. Of course this is nothing but DPS, SO, and small town LEO so it's doubtful Simulcast factored in to the equation anywhere.
 

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I recently bought the BCD436HP and I didn't feel there was much use in getting the SDS-100.
If you're in a simulcast area, like we are here in Phoenix, it is worth every penny, if not in a sim area, stick to what you have.
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I don't have much in the way of analog and/or VHF systems, so I can't tell from my own experience if there are tradeoffs between "800" performance and VHF. It is by far the most sensitive 800 MHz scanner I have ever heard.
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That sensitivity in 700 mhz was paid for with a loss of sensitivity on most frequencies below 700mhz, this combined with an extremely easy to overload front end, has required firmware updates with fiters to help mitigate. Buy it cus you have simulcast issues but do not buy it expecting it to be better or even the same as your 436, on anything below 700.
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(From another thread)

I keep hearing vague references like the one above that, “The front end on the 100 SUCKS for anything below 700mhz...” and more generally that it’s not as good on analog, but no one has really explained what that means.

My dream scanner would do everything well, of course, but what would be especially ideal is built-in GPS along with BTLE with an app that would duck my phone’s streaming music (or pause audiobooks/podcasts) for incoming transmissions like V1Driver does (or Waze, Google Maps, etc). To my knowledge no such perfect scanner exists.
Yes, in fact several people HAVE explained in nauseating lengths what that means, there are countless posts and thread going back to it's release discussing the specifics and the detail the threads go into are far from vague as several of us have been testing the various firmware patches, with filters etc that have come out, all that discussion is happening on Radio Reference. Including several threads directly comparing the 100 and 436.

You wanted a "real life example of that poor performance, how about this first one.....






This is NOT your dream scanner, this may be your dream LTE trunking scanner if you live in an area with high simulcast interference, if you do not, then don't' waste your money.

But seriously, there are HUNDREDS of posts on these very questions, the information is out there... you just have to spend the energy looking for it.

Jen
 
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