Oh the Irony! Italy's Politican who opposed chickenpox vaccination contracts chickenpox. (1 Viewer)

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For something that isn't a huge deal i.e. chickenpox if I don't have to have my child vaccinated for it I won't. I had chickenpox. I survived. My kids can survive it too...

Main vaccinations like polio, MMR, etc those are important... I will get my child vaccinated for that... I could see flu shot for those susceptible to it. No need for a vaccine if you are willing to itch awhile.
 

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For something that isn't a huge deal i.e. chickenpox if I don't have to have my child vaccinated for it I won't. I had chickenpox. I survived. My kids can survive it too...

Main vaccinations like polio, MMR, etc those are important... I will get my child vaccinated for that... I could see flu shot for those susceptible to it. No need for a vaccine if you are willing to itch awhile.
Chicken pox in younger age can lead to shingles in the later age, since the virus that causes chicken pox is the same as shingles (i.e. Herpes Zoster virus). It just needs to be reactivated with stress etc etc. And Shingles sucks massive donkey D, so if you can prevent your kids from getting shingles later in life than why not give them that chance?

Sure it's not deadly, but it's a painful few days to few weeks and Gabapentin barely makes it ok.
 

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For something that isn't a huge deal i.e. chickenpox if I don't have to have my child vaccinated for it I won't. I had chickenpox. I survived. My kids can survive it too...
You sir are the absolutely worst kind of wrong and should be ashamed of it.

From Chickenpox (for Parents) - KidsHealth

Chickenpox often starts without the classic rash, with a fever, headache, sore throat, or stomachache. These symptoms may last for a few days, with the fever in the 101°–102°F (38.3°–38.8°C) range.

The red, itchy skin rash usually starts on the belly or back and face. Then it spreads to almost everywhere else on the body, including the scalp, mouth, arms, legs, and genitals.

The rash begins as many small red bumps that look like pimples or insect bites. They appear in waves over 2 to 4 days, then develop into thin-walled blisters filled with fluid. The blister walls break, leaving open sores, which finally crust over to become dry, brown scabs.

The varicella vaccine has existed for decades and is the reason why chickenpox for the most part doesn't exist on a large scale anymore. While you seem to think "I'll be fine, they'll be fine", you have no idea what kind of complications your kid may have from the fever/blisters/secondary infections, immunocompromised/elderly unvaccinated people they may come in contact with that would be absolutely ****ED, and the fact your child has to be miserable because you believe even a TINY LITTLE BIT a COMPLETELY DISPROVEN BATSHIT CRAZY DISBARRED DOCTORS FAKE REPORT.

What the absolute garbage are you smoking and please throw it away, and give your kids the friggin vaccinations. Flu? Sure. No sores, cover your mouth and you'll probably not kill anybody. Chickenpox/MMR? Get the damn vaccine.
 

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Chicken pox in younger age can lead to shingles in the later age, since the virus that causes chicken pox is the same as shingles (i.e. Herpes Zoster virus). It just needs to be reactivated with stress etc etc. And Shingles sucks massive donkey D, so if you can prevent your kids from getting shingles later in life than why not give them that chance?

Sure it's not deadly, but it's a painful few days to few weeks and Gabapentin barely makes it ok.
It's really not that bad man...
 

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You sir are the absolutely worst kind of wrong and should be ashamed of it.

From Chickenpox (for Parents) - KidsHealth

Chickenpox often starts without the classic rash, with a fever, headache, sore throat, or stomachache. These symptoms may last for a few days, with the fever in the 101°–102°F (38.3°–38.8°C) range.

The red, itchy skin rash usually starts on the belly or back and face. Then it spreads to almost everywhere else on the body, including the scalp, mouth, arms, legs, and genitals.

The rash begins as many small red bumps that look like pimples or insect bites. They appear in waves over 2 to 4 days, then develop into thin-walled blisters filled with fluid. The blister walls break, leaving open sores, which finally crust over to become dry, brown scabs.

The varicella vaccine has existed for decades and is the reason why chickenpox for the most part doesn't exist on a large scale anymore. While you seem to think "I'll be fine, they'll be fine", you have no idea what kind of complications your kid may have from the fever/blisters/secondary infections, immunocompromised/elderly unvaccinated people they may come in contact with that would be absolutely ****ED, and the fact your child has to be miserable because you believe even a TINY LITTLE BIT a COMPLETELY DISPROVEN BATSHIT CRAZY DISBARRED DOCTORS FAKE REPORT.

What the absolute garbage are you smoking and please throw it away, and give your kids the friggin vaccinations. Flu? Sure. No sores, cover your mouth and you'll probably not kill anybody. Chickenpox/MMR? Get the damn vaccine.
My kids will get the required vaccines. Last I checked chicken pox is not required... Actually I know it's not required still... Day cares will probably require it though so if they do then fine by me... Otherwise they're not getting it.
 

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It's really not that bad man...
Even further from the same site:
Someone with shingles can spread chickenpox (but not shingles) to people who haven't had chickenpox or the vaccine.

Do you want your kids to be at risk of contracting it later in life from their partner if their partner, or hell, even a friend, if they have an outbreak? Lets be honest here, most people are ****in' idiots and wouldn't even know to warn people who aren't vaccinated. Why put them at that risk?
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Better yet, say your kid is 8 years old, pretty well developed personality, obviously not autistic, whats stopping you from giving them the vaccination at that point? What "damage" do you think it could do?
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My kids will get the required vaccines. Last I checked chicken pox is not required... Actually I know it's not required still... Day cares will probably require it though so if they do then fine by me... Otherwise they're not getting it.
"Everybody else should vaccinate, why should I have to do it if its not required", take that and magnify your EXTREMELY DANGEROUS mindset by 1000 crotch-candy-firing morons and guess what, you get measles and other disease outbreaks. Seriously man you're being selfish as hell and I seriously doubt you can provide any evidence to argue against giving your kids a chickenpox vaccination other than being selfish. There simply is no science to back up any reason to NOT do it.
 
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Even further from the same site:
Someone with shingles can spread chickenpox (but not shingles) to people who haven't had chickenpox or the vaccine.

Do you want your kids to be at risk of contracting it later in life from their partner if their partner, or hell, even a friend, if they have an outbreak? Lets be honest here, most people are ****in' idiots and wouldn't even know to warn people who aren't vaccinated. Why put them at that risk?
Shingles is temporary... Besides they can get the shingles vaccine if they want it later in life. Again I will do the REQUIRED vaccines. Some people go overboard with things. Chickenpox and shingles are rarely life threatening.
 

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Shingles is temporary... Besides they can get the shingles vaccine if they want it later in life. Again I will do the REQUIRED vaccines. Some people go overboard with things. Chickenpox and shingles are rarely life threatening.
Life threatening? Does having skin defects on visible areas of your body to the public not have an effect? Is there not some emotional toll to learn you have a disease, like shingles, which can only be 'treated' but could return at any time? This goes so far beyond just what the experience of having it is man. You affect other people in the world, and you SHOULD give a **** about that.

Also, "rarely". How would you feel if you caused that one "rare" incident because you decided to be selfish about vaccinating?
 

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Life threatening? Does having skin defects on visible areas of your body to the public not have an effect? Is there not some emotional toll to learn you have a disease, like shingles, which can only be 'treated' but could return at any time? This goes so far beyond just what the experience of having it is man. You affect other people in the world, and you SHOULD give a **** about that.

Also, "rarely". How would you feel if you caused that one "rare" incident because you decided to be selfish about vaccinating?
I'm living with that possibility every day. Back when they didn't have a vaccine for it. I will probably have shingles at some point later in life. My dad and grandfather had it. I'm okay with that possibility.
 

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I'm living with that possibility every day. Back when they didn't have a vaccine for it. I will probably have shingles at some point later in life. My dad and grandfather had it. I'm okay with that possibility.
And you're OK with allowing the potential that you might infect your own kids with your own shingles>chickenpox infection, a disease that CAN BE PREVENTED, because you don't want to get them vaccinated. Selfish. You are being incredibly selfish. If you sat your kid down and said "You can get a shot and it will prevent you from ever getting chickenpox, but it hurts a little bit when they poke you, but you'll never have to worry about getting infected with chickenpox that causes a fever, makes your skin itchy, and can make you have spots that pus up and bleed. Do you want that shot?", what do you think the answer would be? What reason would you give him that he SHOULDN'T?
 

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I have exema... So don't talk to me like that Jaguar...

You have no clue... Everyone can treat it and live through it. Life is not always bright and peachy... Trust me a shot or medicine can't cure everything.

That's the problem with this world. People trying to medicate their way out of pain. Taking their Ambien and Prozac. Get off your high horses people. There is pain in the world. Whether that be emotional or physical. Get used to it. You can't avoid it. That's life.

Something worth a damn that can wipe out a population is worth vaccinating for. Something menial and temporary like chickenpox, shingles, or even exema can be dealt with. It's not going to kill you. Back in the day we were taught what can't kill you will only make you stronger. Instead we are running from things that rarely kill or hurt.
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And you're OK with allowing the potential that you might infect your own kids with your own shingles>chickenpox infection, a disease that CAN BE PREVENTED, because you don't want to get them vaccinated. Selfish. You are being incredibly selfish. If you sat your kid down and said "You can get a shot and it will prevent you from ever getting chickenpox, but it hurts a little bit when they poke you, but you'll never have to worry about getting infected with chickenpox that causes a fever, makes your skin itchy, and can make you have spots that pus up and bleed. Do you want that shot?", what do you think the answer would be? What reason would you give him that he SHOULDN'T?
Yup /peace
 
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Something worth a damn that can wipe out a population is worth vaccinating for. Something menial and temporary like chickenpox, shingles, or even exema can be dealt with. It's not going to kill you. Back in the day we were taught what can't kill you will only make you stronger. Instead we are running from things that rarely kill or hurt.
Yeah, and back in the day our life expectancy was a lot lower too. As we progress as a society, as science teaches us more about our bodies, diseases, and more, we learn that we had no bloody clue what the hell we were talking about 20-30 years ago.

My wife has eczema and she is self-concious when she has breakouts too. Emotionally that's damaging, and adds to what creates that persons self-image. Regardless of how temporary or minor it is, there is still an effect. If its possible to prevent that entirely, if it's possible to get through life without significant pain, injury, infection, or otherwise, why the **** not?

Do you think pain is a requirement to live? Do you think that when humans are eventually zooming about in space, completely clean environments, that they are somehow "wrong" for avoiding things that kill or hurt?
 

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Better yet, say your kid is 8 years old, pretty well developed personality, obviously not autistic, whats stopping you from giving them the vaccination at that point? What "damage" do you think it could do?
ANYONE not taking vaccines due to fears of autism and anything else that has been thoroughly debunked should be exiled to a penal colony where everyone can infect everyone else with measles.

I'm living with that possibility every day. Back when they didn't have a vaccine for it. I will probably have shingles at some point later in life. My dad and grandfather had it. I'm okay with that possibility.
...and some of your ancestors probably DIED of chickenpox or other now avoidable diseases. My aunt got chickenpox and the chickenpox either caused lupus, or the lupus was a coincidence that started at the same time as the chickenpox. But I don't think the chickenpox helped. If she had been able to get the vaccine, it's possible that she wouldn't have lupus today, but we're never going to know what would have happened in that parallel universe.

I got the chickenpox from my brother, probably about 2-3 years before the vaccine became available. My mom got shingles and it was awful, knocked her out for a few days. If I ever get shingles later, I'm probably going to beat the **** out of my brother for giving me chickenpox (or at least threaten to).

Just give your kids the f**king vaccine. It's a lot better than getting the damn disease and suffering for days, or (in the worst case) having another disease triggered by an avoidable illness.
 

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Could you guys just disagree with Cobaw without being so militant about it? That would be nice.
 

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Could you guys just disagree with Cobaw without being so militant about it? That would be nice.
I can fundamentally disagree with what you choose to subject the rest of the human race, and your offspring (who have no choice in the matter) to.

It is legitimately effed up that he, or anyone else, keeps the mindset he does without question.

What the frick do we do if a new measles strain comes out and now we need two vaccinations, because somebody decided "They'll be fine"?

Choosing not to vaccinate and prevent avoidable diseases is immensely selfish to the rest of the human race.
 

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I can fundamentally disagree with what you choose to subject the rest of the human race, and your offspring (who have no choice in the matter) to.

It is legitimately effed up that he, or anyone else, keeps the mindset he does without question.

What the frick do we do if a new measles strain comes out and now we need two vaccinations, because somebody decided "They'll be fine"?

Choosing not to vaccinate and prevent avoidable diseases is immensely selfish to the rest of the human race.
Looks like more than a disagreement............
...You sir are the absolutely worst kind of wrong and should be ashamed of it.

...What the absolute garbage are you smoking and please throw it away, and give your kids the friggin vaccinations.

..."Everybody else should vaccinate, why should I have to do it if its not required", take that and magnify your EXTREMELY DANGEROUS mindset by 1000 crotch-candy-firing morons and guess what, you get measles and other disease outbreaks. Seriously man you're being selfish as hell and I seriously doubt you can provide any evidence to argue against giving your kids a chickenpox vaccination other than being selfish. There simply is no science to back up any reason to NOT do it.
...ANYONE not taking vaccines due to fears of autism and anything else that has been thoroughly debunked should be exiled to a penal colony where everyone can infect everyone else with measles.

...Just give your kids the f**king vaccine. It's a lot better than getting the damn disease and suffering for days, or (in the worst case) having another disease triggered by an avoidable illness.
I mean, come on, how would you respond after reading this stuff directed at you?

You guys are militantly pushing your POV on the guy and basically accusing him of being an anti-vaxer which he's clearly not.
 

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I think it’s more the flippant attitude about it that’s setting them off more than anything. It’s hard for me to listen to him essentially say, “Meh, screw my kids. I lived through this easily preventable disease, so they should have to, too, and carry a permanent infection with them.”
 

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I think it’s more the flippant attitude about it that’s setting them off more than anything. It’s hard for me to listen to him essentially say, “Meh, screw my kids. I lived through this easily preventable disease, so they should have to, too, and carry a permanent infection with them.”
Honestly, I don’t understand people now. Before the vaccine, 4 million contracted Chickenpox, it killed 100 per year, hospitalized 10,000. For the life of me how people think getting a little injection is worse than contracting the disease is beyond me. Your kid may not be one of the lucky ones.

It’s not something I would chance with my kids. They’ve gotten every vaccine available.
 
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