PA State Police now *possibly* doing rolling radar

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Yeah, I was eyeballing that picture that @Solidjake posted, and
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OK twice I typed up a nice reply to @LeftLaneInPA only to have it not fully post, maybe because Included two photos and a video, who knows, anyway the above video (click expand above) shows the inside of the new PSP cars, nothing jumps out as RADAR related, just a dashcam and what might be a small GPS?

Here's a photo, (lots of photos online of the new cars, all look the same) red arrow dashcam, green arrow maybe a GPS.

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OK twice I typed up a nice reply to @LeftLaneInPA only to have it not fully post, maybe because Included two photos and a video, who knows, anyway the above video (click expand above) shows the inside of the new PSP cars, nothing jumps out as RADAR related, just a dashcam and what might be a small GPS?

Here's a photo, (lots of photos online of the new cars, all look the same) red arrow dashcam, green arrow maybe a GPS.

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Not 100% but I believe the green arrow is pointing to video play back screen for the dash cam.

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That is a GPS. Below the rearview mirror is the watch guard camera.
 

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I observed a State Trooper in PA running rolling radar today and I knew I had to come to RDF to talk about it. Sure enough I'm not the only one.

It was at the I-295 (formally I-95) Rt 1 Interchange. I was getting off I-295 South and onto Rt 1 North and he was getting on Rt 295 South coming from Rt 1 South. I was in the right lane about to exit and he pulled out right in front of me. My R3 went on a full ramp up in a matter of a few seconds as he merged in front of me.

It was a new Ford Explorer SUV, exactly like the one shown in the first post of this thread.
 

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I observed a State Trooper in PA running rolling radar today and I knew I had to come to RDF to talk about it. Sure enough I'm not the only one.

It was at the I-295 (formally I-95) Rt 1 Interchange. I was getting off I-295 South and onto Rt 1 North and he was getting on Rt 295 South coming from Rt 1 South. I was in the right lane about to exit and he pulled out right in front of me. My R3 went on a full ramp up in a matter of a few seconds as he merged in front of me.

It was a new Ford Explorer SUV, exactly like the one shown in the first post of this thread.
Great news! Unfortunately moving radar is illegal in Pennsylvania. I know exactly where that area is that you encountered that that area just got over heavy construction.
 

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I’ve had this happen as well. I think it’s the case of them just leaving it on rather than actively using it.


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I’ve had this happen as well. I think it’s the case of them just leaving it on rather than actively using it.
Maybe... but I've lived in PA my entire life, I've been driving with a RD for 15+ years, and I drive around Eastern PA frequently for work during the day.

This is the FIRST time I've ever observed a PA trooper running moving radar.

Doesn't that strike you as a little odd that not only myself, but others, are observing this as well? All at the same time?
 
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Maybe... but I've lived in PA my entire life, I've been driving with a RD for 15+ years, and I drive around Eastern PA frequently for work during the day.

This is the FIRST time I've ever observed a PA trooper running moving radar.

Doesn't that strike you as a little odd that not only myself, but others, are observing this as well? All at the same time?
You make a good point. I'd be curious, though, in your 15+ years of running a RD in PA, how many years have you confirmed troopers using radar for speed enforcement? I am genuinely curious as I have only been in the countermeasure game for 2 years.

Check out this thread from 2007: Moving radar in PA?

There are multiple sightings of pa state troopers running radar while moving.
 

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Not nearly as frequently as I encounter it in NJ or while traveling through other states. But at least once every few months I'll be driving on the Turnpike, the northeast extension, I-95 by the airport, or along I-80 and I'll pass through a stationary radar trap.

Funny we are talking about this because PSP has been running a trap on I-295 between Rt1 and the Newtown bypass (332), which I take on my way home from work everyday. There has been a state trooper sitting in the median 3-4 days a week for the last three weeks. BUT he has only been running IO K band 3-4 times I've passed him. Most of the time I look into the car and he's doing paperwork. So you could say he's doing "passive" speed enforcement :)
 
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I’ve had this happen as well. I think it’s the case of them just leaving it on rather than actively using it.


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I have to agree, along with not finding anything about a law change. I have passed by at least a dozen of the new grey cars/SUVs over the past couple weeks on I-95 & I-76 in the Philly area and not one alerted my R3 to RADAR use.
 
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Happened again to me today. I-476 N (I think around Mile Marker 47?) between Quakertown and Allentown exits. Driving straight and V1 slowly starts ramping up all the way to full ramp up, no cop in sight, then about 3 seconds later a state trooper comes up in the left lane southbound (oncoming traffic). Pretty impressed with the detection actually. No idea if they are just leaving their radar on or actively enforcing..
 

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I guess we won't know until somebody gets close enough to get a good look in one of the new cars or sees them light up (or get lit up themselves) by a Trooper doing rolling radar.
 
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I guess we won't know until somebody gets close enough to get a good look in one of the new cars or sees them light up (or get lit up themselves) by a Trooper doing rolling radar.
Won't be me haha. I think PSP hates New Yorkers
 

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I guess we won't know until somebody gets close enough to get a good look in one of the new cars or sees them light up (or get lit up themselves) by a Trooper doing rolling radar.

Well LeftLane, it appears that you were correct. I reached out to a friend who is an ex PSPT and he reached out to someone still on the job. His response to me was ...

Reached out to one of my friends still on the job. The new cars are equipped
with rolling radar and legislation is currently stuck so they can't enforce
while moving. He said it's not hush-hush so you can share it on the forum.
I read the thread, I imagine it will be an interesting read once the cat is
out of the bag.
 

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Interesting. I can see PSP brass telling the street troopers to start "practicing" with the equipment in anticipation of the day (whenever that day is) they can write citations using rolling radar.
 

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If Rob is correct that their radar software does not allow moving mode, then it doesn't really mean much if the radar is left on while they're driving, because it will not give them a target speed.
 

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If Rob is correct that their radar software does not allow moving mode, then it doesn't really mean much if the radar is left on while they're driving, because it will not give them a target speed.
I read it not as "the software doesn't allow moving mode", but "the law won't allow enforcement on readings obtained in moving mode."

Pennsylvania law enforcement are very restricted on using radar/lidar for traffic citations, an oddity in the United States.
 
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I didn't see any mention of rolling RADAR but here is this sessions RADAR for locals bill, passed in the Senate, it's now in the House, where is usually goes nowhere and dies.

The bills I read, including the one that just passed the Senate, also mention, they must use a marked stationary vehicle not intentionally hiding from the motoring public.



Senate Bill 607; Regular Session 2019-2020

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Here you can find all of this sessions RADAR bills:

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Earlier this week I encountered a dark blue unmarked Taurus running rolling radar traveling northbound on I95 (now I295) just south of the Newtown exit.

Picked him up as he approached from behind, passed me, and then continued traveling northbound as I got off at Newtown.
 

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