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According to the current law in Pennsylvania, the only non-federal law enforcement that can use radar/LIDAR are the PA State Police. They only use K-band and even then, only while stationary. Their units were handheld guns not tied into the vehicle's speedometers.

This may be changing.

Twice this week, I've encountered two separate PA State Police vehicles that were blasting C/O K-band and driving down the road. Both times, they were in the new-style gray patrol vehicles with TROOPER in silver on the side. Once it was a SUV, and the other time it was sedan. The first time it was 24.145, and second time it was 24.147.

So, either it's (a) two separate Troopers who just left their handheld guns on after running radar, or (b) the new cars have radar units tied into the cars' speedometers allowing them to do rolling radar. I'm not sure which one it is at this point.

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Pa state police is stationary radar only. They use Falcon HR radar gun’s and dash mounted Kustom Raptor-RP 1 K band. The Raptor antenna is mounted in the rear driver’s side passenger back door on the window.All radars used by Pa police have software thats disabled moving mode functions.

Second picture is a example but not a Raptor antenna.
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Locals can use lidar for distance between cars.
 

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Pa state police is stationary radar only. They use Falcon HR radar gun’s and dash mounted Kustom Raptor-RP 1 K band. The Raptor antenna is mounted in the rear driver’s side passenger back door on the window.All radars used by Pa police have software thats disabled moving mode functions.
That's how it's been forever, yeah, but twice this week I've encountered C/O K-band coming from two separate PSP cars. I'm not aware of any laws preventing them from doing rolling radar if they decided to upgrade their equipment, which may have happened.

Locals can use lidar for distance between cars.
Since when? I know they can use VASCAR, but not LIDAR. Every year somebody introduces a bill into the system trying to get radar and LIDAR legalized for the locals, but it always dies, usually in committee.

Here are links to the 2019 bills (currently languishing in the Transportation Committee)
 
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Thanks for the info. I'm in Phill this week. I might venture a little bit more west to pick up something off craigslist. Hopefully I get an encounter to confirm.
 

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That's how it's been forever, yeah, but twice this week I've encountered C/O K-band coming from two separate PSP cars. I'm not aware of any laws preventing them from doing rolling radar if they decided to upgrade their equipment, which may have happened.


Since when? I know they can use VASCAR, but not LIDAR. Every year somebody introduces a bill into the system trying to get radar and LIDAR legalized for the locals, but it always dies, usually in committee.

Here are links to the 2019 bills (currently languishing in the Transportation Committee)

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I went way up the chain and moving radar is not aloud in Pa. Moving Vascar is.
 
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Curious if that unit still transmits radar when moving but will not show a reading on screen.

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I went way up the chain and moving radar is not aloud in Pa. Moving Vascar is.
Yeah, what a great mapping and crime scene tool. Somebody's been smoking some weed in the back of their patrol car.
 

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The date on that story was 2015, and they're using LIDAR to essentially scare people. They can't use it to write citations.
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Thanks for the info. I'm in Phill this week. I might venture a little bit more west to pick up something off craigslist. Hopefully I get an encounter to confirm.
Thanks. If I can get close to enough to a PSP car I'll see if what radar unit they have.
 

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Thanks. If I can get close to enough to a PSP car I'll see if what radar unit they have.
You got it. I only encountered one trooper today on the 476 heading onto the 95. He was perpendicular but no peep from him.
 

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Pa state police is stationary radar only. They use Falcon HR radar gun’s and dash mounted Kustom Raptor-RP 1 K band. The Raptor antenna is mounted in the rear driver’s side passenger back door on the window.All radars used by Pa police have software thats disabled moving mode functions.

Second picture is a example but not a Raptor antenna.
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Locals can use lidar for distance between cars.
I have seen PA State Police using the Decatur GHD as well as the MPH Speedgun. There is a recent video showing a PA state leo using an ancient Kustom Falcon in a construction zone....no DSP, no "faster" identification, nothing, just an old beat up gun that he was using to write tickets. There is so much noise up and down 476 that you'd have to hit me on the head with a hammer to take notice of a K band alert. As always, K band came from Satan's anus.
 

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While on PA Route 209 off of PA Route 33 (Saylorsburg) I encountered another trooper in one of the newer gray cars. He was driving in the opposite direction as myself and blasting K-band at 24.140.
 

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While on PA Route 209 off of PA Route 33 (Saylorsburg) I encountered another trooper in one of the newer gray cars. He was driving in the opposite direction as myself and blasting K-band at 24.140.
140 awesome thanks for the frequency


In Philly there was a flipped car and a Trooper was nearby. I was cycling and unfortunately I couldn't get close enough to check the equipment ;)
 

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That's how it's been forever, yeah, but twice this week I've encountered C/O K-band coming from two separate PSP cars. I'm not aware of any laws preventing them from doing rolling radar if they decided to upgrade their equipment, which may have happened.


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I can't find the statute at the moment, but to the best of my recollection PA law does dictate the PSP can't do rolling RADAR nor are they allowed to hide when using it. The language mentioned being perpendicular to the road. among other restrictions. The bill that passed the Senate last year (but never got out of the house) mentioned it as well.

This is quoted from the last session bill (SB279 of 2017-2018) to allow local use of RADAR, I remember reading the same type of thing in the actual law for PSP use:


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the police officer must locate the vehicle
with the radio-microwave speed timing device or infrared
laser light device in a location that is not intentionally
concealed from the motoring public
"


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Radar mounted on cars do not need to be connected to the vehicle's speedometer. When doing a radar check before their shift they will use one tuning fork to verify that speed, then another to verify the second speed, and then both to verify moving and stationary. The radar unit knows it is moving based on reflected energy of radar off of stationary objects, and it makes calculations for when it senses moving objects such as moving same direction or moving opposite direction radar modes.
 

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Besides them hiding they are (NOT)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aloud moving radar.
 

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And yet I see them on I-80 in the tree line pretty hidden haha
Besides them hiding they are (NOT)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aloud moving radar.
Yea, well what the law says and what they do .... you know how that goes.

Anyway, I have yet to see a permanently mounted RADAR gun on a dash in a PSP car. Hand held or the one they temporarily hang on the back window is all I've ever seen in Pennsylvania.

By the way, they did pass a law last year allowing speed cameras in construction zones in PA.

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Anyway, I have yet to see a permanently mounted RADAR gun on a dash in a PSP car. Hand held or the one they temporarily hang on the back window is all I've ever seen in Pennsylvania.
Yeah, I was eyeballing that picture that @Solidjake posted, and I don't see anything that's obviously a permanently-mounted radar unit. I'm starting to think that maybe they're just being sloppy and leaving the guns on after they're done running radar in a stationary spot. But I would really like to get close to one and check myself.

There used to be a deli that a bunch of Troopers would grab breakfast at every morning, but it closed a couple of months ago.
 

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