Veil G5.6 reviews?

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I was looking at the RadarBusters.com website and stumbled on this product: Veil G5.6.

I searched this forum and Googled "Veil G5.6" and found lots of reviews concerning version "G5" dating back four years. The product gets hammered almost universally on most websites.

There's a YT video
that was posted about five months ago purporting to show pretty good success with this "new" version, G5.6. Curiously, the "owner" doesn't list a Spectre RDD on his test, which seem to be one of the standards held high on this forum. Or maybe it's a clue I willingly ignored...

I wonder if there have been any reviews that I haven't found, concerning this version; my curiosity is fueled by its' availability on the Radarbuster's website. RB seems to have a faithful following here; not like that other bad rep hawker.... was it Radar Roy? so its' listing has me curious.

If it matters, I'd be applying it to the headlights and single chrome strip on the grill of a last generation Corvette (2014) without a front license plate.

Thank you, All!
 

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my curiosity is fueled by its' availability on the Radarbuster's website. RB seems to have a faithful following here; not like that other bad rep hawker.... was it Radar Roy?
It’s a long and sordid story, but you’ve got that backwards. Radar Roy was well respected in the industry. Bob, aka VeilGuy, the one pushing Veil, was Roy’s business partner and friend. A lot of bad stuff went down with Bob, including Roy’s wife, to the point where Roy ended his own life because of it. Bob continues to traffic his wares on Roy’s name, image, and reputation, which is sick and twisted on its own. He has no credibility in the industry or community, his products are junk, and people who get into bed with him (business wise) generally regret it.

Veil is utter crap, and my opinion of the man who sells it is even lower.
 

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Veil <4.0 was a good supplement back in the days of PT from almost any laser jammer manufacture. However these days it doesnt serve a purpose as a CM. The main issue with G5.~ was how unnecessarily dark the actual material was. License plates couldn't be read (by the human eye), it didn't offer an significant performance gains if any from G4 and the stuff literally stinks.

A: get a decent set of laser jammers install properly and youll be fine.
 

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Back in the days where lidar guns could only get a good reading on a really reflective surface (Plate, headlights) thsi would help a little if used alongside with jammers to solve punch throughs... modern guns can get a reading off of the body of the car, bumper, side view mirrors, pretty much anywhere, so you would have to cover all surfaces to get any ed effect, and even then tests done of 5.0 and 5.5 showed that against modern guns it only had a very mild effect at longer ranges that are uncommon for lidar use in the real world. It's not going to make a difference under 1000 ft which is where a lot of the shots occur, and it will make the car look terrible in the process. The countermeasure enthusiasts don't run it on their cars so that should tell you something :)
 

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Here's a review of Veil G5 that @jdong and I did: VEIL G5 Review/Test

Note especially the comment I made in the last paragraph of post #4. That's probably the most important thing to know about the stuff, other than the fact that it looks blatantly illegal and would get you pulled over simply for that fact alone.
 

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You guys don't think it works at less than 1000ft? You could buy yourself a couple of extra seconds to possibly spot the cop because the LEO will be delayed in pulling the trigger on his lidar gun, wondering what the hell you're doing with all of that crap smeared on your car! But seriously, I'd never waste my money on stuff where it seems that the only real world "tests" come from the guy who sells it... Besides, Veil Guy sounds like a total tool haha
 

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I was looking at the RadarBusters.com website and stumbled on this product: Veil G5.6.

I searched this forum and Googled "Veil G5.6" and found lots of reviews concerning version "G5" dating back four years. The product gets hammered almost universally on most websites.

There's a YT video
that was posted about five months ago purporting to show pretty good success with this "new" version, G5.6. Curiously, the "owner" doesn't list a Spectre RDD on his test, which seem to be one of the standards held high on this forum. Or maybe it's a clue I willingly ignored...

I wonder if there have been any reviews that I haven't found, concerning this version; my curiosity is fueled by its' availability on the Radarbuster's website. RB seems to have a faithful following here; not like that other bad rep hawker.... was it Radar Roy? so its' listing has me curious.

If it matters, I'd be applying it to the headlights and single chrome strip on the grill of a last generation Corvette (2014) without a front license plate.

Thank you, All!
A few things.
1. RDD stands for radar detector detector.
It’s a device used primarily in Canada and a few areas in US that allows LEOs to detect radar detectors. This device has nothing to do with the mentioned video as this video is focused on LIDAR and jamming LIDAR and not RADAR.

2. Notice in the video, the LIDAR shooter is standing up and hand holding the units. It’s harder this way to lock on a vehicle (for a beginner shooter) and to get consistent shots. Also, notice how the video doesn’t show the HUD perspective (meaning you can’t actually see how steady the LIDAR unit is, or what areas of the vehicle they are targeting, etc.). This makes it very easy to “fake” this entire video.

Anyway as Deacon pointed out. This guy is scum and looks for another sucker born each day (no offense to anyone!) to make a living. Truly disgusting.

Legitimate testing from RDfers time and time again has proven this product to be junk.
 
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Skip the veil. Worthless.
 

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You guys don't think it works at less than 1000ft? You could buy yourself a couple of extra seconds to possibly spot the cop because the LEO will be delayed in pulling the trigger on his lidar gun, wondering what the hell you're doing with all of that crap smeared on your car! But seriously, I'd never waste my money on stuff where it seems that the only real world "tests" come from the guy who sells it... Besides, Veil Guy sounds like a total tool haha
With good jammers you don't need to use that junk. Alert, slow down, turn off the system, identify the threat, carry on
 

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With good jammers you don't need to use that junk. Alert, slow down, turn off the system, identify the threat, carry on
Even not the greatest jammer i.e. TMG against VPR will gain you extra few seconds if you are looking at 1000'+ The jammer will at least issue an audible and visual alert of the threat vs. having you keep you eyes peeled for a spec of a human using a LIDAR.

Besides painted License Plate with VAIL 5+ will get you an "obscured lic plate" ticket in most states. So you will get pulled over even if you were not speeding.
 

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Even not the greatest jammer i.e. TMG against VPR will gain you extra few seconds if you are looking at 1000'+ The jammer will at least issue an audible and visual alert of the threat vs. having you keep you eyes peeled for a spec of a human using a LIDAR.

Besides painted License Plate with VAIL 5+ will get you an "obscured lic plate" ticket in most states. So you will get pulled over even if you were not speeding.
one has veil one doesnt, can you tell the difference?
 

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one has veil one doesnt, can you tell the difference?
sorry just see one pic
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one has veil one doesnt, can you tell the difference?
I am sorry to digress but I just noticed your AVATAR wtf is going on with your monkies?
 

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yes one headlight does one doesnt. the older version of veil was dark, the newer one is what you see now
ahh ok, cool didn't know that. SO yeah my statement applies to anything below 5.6
 

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can you tell, if so please let know i want an honest answer. i dont like sugar coating,
Sun is not helping at 071 but my guess is right front light is Veil.
Rear 118 Left rear light is Veil.

The rear is more visible to be veil than the front...but the front is having glare issue so it's not a correct comparative. Better retake at dusk.

But yeah it's massive improvement from what I've seen with V5 that some users posted.
 

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yes one headlight does one doesnt. the older version of veil was dark, the newer one is what you see now
The older one looked like this:
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So that we can get a baseline comparison, can you put the new one on a standard issue California license plate, then take a photo of it?

In any case however, it's still useless, even if it isn't so dark that you'd get pulled over. The REAL problem, as I said in post #4 of this thread, is that the front of the car itself, NOT including headlights and license plate, return enough light to the LIDAR gun that it can lock onto the grill/hood/bumper alone. Therefore, even entirely removing the license plate and headlights would not save you. I can get speed readings off of dark cars with black grills with no front license plate from 2000' away with my TSS. Sure, it takes a little bit longer than say a white car with a front plate, but it's not sufficiently long that a driver would have time to slow down. At best, it's able to delay the speed reading from around 1/3s to around 2s, and more commonly, to around 1s. It had no effect whasoever at distances below 800 feet, and against the DET it had no effect whatsoever at any distance. It's not that Veil itself is flawed, it's the entire idea that you can eliminate LIDAR return from the most reflective parts of a car (lights/license plates) that is flawed, because what remains (hood/grill/trunk lid/bumper) is still reflective enough to make your car a sitting duck for a cop's gun.
 
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The older one looked like this:
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View attachment 112694

So that we can get a baseline comparison, can you put the new one on a standard issue California license plate, then take a photo of it?

In any case however, it's still useless, even if it isn't so dark that you'd get pulled over. The REAL problem, as I said in post #4 of this thread, is that the front of the car itself, NOT including headlights and license plate, return enough light to the LIDAR gun that it can lock onto the grill/hood/bumper alone. Therefore, even entirely removing the license plate and headlights would not save you. I can get speed readings off of dark cars with black grills with no front license plate from 2000' away with my TSS. Sure, it takes a little bit longer than say a white car with a front plate, but it's not sufficiently long that a driver would have time to slow down. At best, it's able to delay the speed reading from around 1/3s to around 2s, and more commonly, to around 1s. It had no effect whasoever at distances below 800 feet, and against the DET it had no effect whatsoever at any distance. It's not that Veil itself is flawed, it's the entire idea that you can eliminate LIDAR return from the most reflective parts of a car (lights/license plates) that is flawed, because what remains (hood/grill/trunk lid/bumper) is still reflective enough to make your car a sitting duck for a cop's gun.
I know it's a stupid idea but I wonder what would happen if you painted the whole car with VAIL. I mean one doesn't need to pain the whole car. What about painting a large piece of sheet metal let say 4 feet by 3 feet and attaching it to the front of the car, then just aiming at the sheet metal and nothing else. The sheet metal would be large enough to take into account beam divergence at the distance whilst reflective enough (it's metal like the car) to allow fair comparisson of VAIL. This will provide a fairly conclusive testing if VAIL works at all.

The question is: If one could drive fast enough to actually allow the lidar to lock on without ripping the sheet metal off the car.
 

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