Stinger VIP 4.4.00

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Have Stinger removed the ability to downgrade?

If so, then thats very bad news as this firmware can not detect redflex
 

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Have Stinger removed the ability to downgrade?

If so, then thats very bad news as this firmware can not detect redflex
Def need Dragons to confirm.

I’m not upgrading if this land mine is confirmed.

I like early 3.x firmware’s too much.

Stinger, I am seriously going to mail this to you.

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I haven't tried yet, I think I have a 4.0 release somewhere around here
 

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dont seem like many have jumped on the testing new FW wagon
 

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I've been running v4.4.00 since Tuesday and it's too soon to tell if things are truly better or worse, but so far things appear to be an improvement over previous versions, at least for the threats I see in the USA (non-low power K/Ka-band radar).

So far the display auto-brightness has continued to work. It's pretty ridiculous that something like that is worth mentioning and note worthy on an expensive radar detector that's been on the market for 4 or 5 years now, but at least for me this has been a major problem with either not being able to read the display during the day or being blinded by it at night.

Initially I was getting a lot of K-band false alerts (BSM) while on the highway near other cars so I turned up all the filtering options: regular scan mode, dynamic sensitivity on, radar sensitivity -2, bsm filtering -1, and enabled the in-car filter. The next day I drove into the city on the busy highway and the VIP was remarkably quiet compared to previous firmware revisions. With the exception of a Honda minivan that also set off my V1, there were no other BSM falses, only falses from stationary sources like automatic door openers that had not been learned by the VIP. While audibly quiet to BSM falses, I frequently saw the yellow "FalseList" display, which IMO is kind of annoying but it does provide an indication that it's filtering out signals it sees.

Later driving home I was wondering why things seemed so much more quiet on this firmware when previously similar settings were always noisy. I wanted to see if dynamic sensitivity (a feature I stopped using after discovering it often added a 2 second delay in alerting) was the "secret sauce" so I disabled that while driving in busy congested city highways and found things were still quiet. Next I power cycled the VIP to try and rule out a bug in settings taking effect after being changed, but things still remained quiet. The usual suspects have punched through though (Acura/Honda and Mazda's).

The next day I raised the radar sensitivity and bsm filtering back to 0 and again, things stayed quiet. Eventually I did start noticing the VIP alerting to some BSM systems from relatively far away so I dropped radar sensitivity down to -1 and after a few days, including a 2 hour round trip highway drive today things still remain nearly "V1" quiet when it comes to BSM falses. Stationary falses are being picked up off-axis much more often than the V1, but this is to be expected. The VIP was also alerting to a parked police car behind the local PD transmitting on K-band, which the V1 had trouble detecting. So for me at least having the in-car filter enabled (a setting I also never used previously) has really improved the BSM filtering on the VIP to the point where it appears (at least at the moment) to be a useful radar detector.

I've also seen some weird auto-learn GPS based lockout behavior where after a few days the VIP finally started to learn to FalseList some new K-band speed signs near my house, but for some reason it'll begin to mute the signal but then start alerting halfway though the zone, then start muting again. I'm not sure if there's something different about the signal that it doesn't like (they are solar powered and do drift) or if something else is going on, but I've had no problem learning these with YaV1.

Tonight I had my first police K-band radar encounter and the VIP beat the V1 by 8 seconds. VIP settings were: regular scan mode, dynamic sensitivity off, radar sensitivity -1, bsm filtering 0, in-car filter on. V1 settings were: TMF2 on, mute rear antenna, no time based muting.


Previously I would see the VIP only alert to police K-band about 50% of the time, FalseListing the signal like a BSM the other times, so I can't really say if they fixed that problem yet as this is only 1 encounter. I guess we'll see.

Also worth noting:
  • K-band alert volume is still ridiculously quieter than Ka-band
  • Touching the screen to mute an alert still often results in a double touch that unmutes the alert
 
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thx be interesting to see some ozzie users as things are different over here especially in NSW
 

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@mikedotd Do you run any incarnation of Stinger laser?
 

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Looks like I should update lol
 

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@mikedotd Do you run any incarnation of Stinger laser?
Not currently. I have a 3 pair setup with square heads that I bought from the former US distributor, but I was never able to get satisfactory results with them on my car so I went back to ALP.

I still have the laser portion and figure someday I'll try them on my project car once it's on the road again.

Incidentally I'm now 2 for 2 with the Stinger VIP alerting to police K-band radar, and had no BSM alerts on my drive in to work today (although it was yellow and falselisting frequently), matching the V1. Locking out the 3 new speed signs on my commute is still an issue, with the VIP initially muting then alerting once closer to the transmitters.
 

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Not currently. I have a 3 pair setup with square heads that I bought from the former US distributor, but I was never able to get satisfactory results with them on my car so I went back to ALP.

I still have the laser portion and figure someday I'll try them on my project car once it's on the road again.

Incidentally I'm now 2 for 2 with the Stinger VIP alerting to police K-band radar, and had no BSM alerts on my drive in to work today (although it was yellow and falselisting frequently), matching the V1. Locking out the 3 new speed signs on my commute is still an issue, with the VIP initially muting then alerting once closer to the transmitters.
Did you have a LAB-14 or LAB-13? I found results pretty unacceptable at first too, alignment was very tricky but after mucking with it everyday for a couple of weeks I got it right, while its been a while since I last tested everytime I have tested I jammed all guns available, but no question ALP is more consistent.

Also what was the source of your K-band hits? I've reset/removed false list but honestly can't see any difference in filtering or legit detection, Redflex is as bad as ever.
 

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dont seem like many have jumped on the testing new FW wagon
Are you surprised? I've yet to see a good reason to update in this thread. Past upgrade experiences have made be VERY gunshy pulling the trigger on any Stinger updates, especially out of warranty.
 

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Did you have a LAB-14 or LAB-13? I found results pretty unacceptable at first too, alignment was very tricky but after mucking with it everyday for a couple of weeks I got it right, while its been a while since I last tested everytime I have tested I jammed all guns available, but no question ALP is more consistent.

Also what was the source of your K-band hits? I've reset/removed false list but honestly can't see any difference in filtering or legit detection, Redflex is as bad as ever.
LAB-14. I'm glad to hear it's possible to get good results, but I was never able to get there on my MK7 Golf R. I'm hoping I can find better results on a different car and with more modern firmware (this was on v4.0.x IIRC).

Both legit radar hits so far have been from police SUV's with onboard K-band radar. The first time was a state police unit approaching from the opposite direction, the second time was a parked unit on the side of the road. These are "normal" power radar units, so they're much easier to detect than the low power stuff you guys are dealing with. The problem I've had since I bought the VIP with v3.3.08UK and onward is that it will falselist filter these police normal strength radar guns like BSM filtering about 50% of the time, never alerting just showing yellow falselist. No other RD on the market has this behavior to these police radar guns, so it basically made the VIP useless to these real threats here.

I'm not convinced they solved that problem yet, 2 runs isn't enough to be positive, but so far so good. And that's been with the in-car filter enabled, which is kind of surprising to me.
 

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Have Stinger removed the ability to downgrade?

If so, then thats very bad news as this firmware can not detect redflex
I did some testing and the 4.4.0 in the USB stick is recognized every single time, the previous is not. Maybe incompatibility with antenna HD 6.2.1. Tried to install HD 6.1.1 to try and install 4.2.10 and had no luck.
 

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