Please allow/create 3rd party app support with the R7

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@jdong mentioned that there are traces on the R7's PCB that appeared to go to a location reserved for a UART chip, but the chip isn't present. In my opinion the biggest hold up likely isn't the technology or API development, but simply Uniden needing to navigate the minefield of existing patents issued to Escort Radar & Valentine Research. They need to cross it without stepping on the others patents, or else negotiate a licensing deal with one or more patent holders.
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Here's an even better reference on a thread with information from the FCC filing about the R7.


@SquirrelMaster and @InsipidMonkey were helpful in finding this.
So i finally decided to swap out the v1 for my r7. Before putting it up though, I opened it and looked a bit further into the internals.
Those test pads labeled bt TX and bt rx don't really do much. They go to a chip that isn't installed which appears to mux or switch the serial from the USB/mcu to the bt pads.

More interestingly though, the extra 2 pins on the rj12 jack appear to be for communication. They trace back to a set of pins on the mcu that are either IIC or Uart (serial). I think it is IIC however because of the circuitry that the signal goes through before getting to the mcu. I think we will see a dongle or two in the future.
 

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More interestingly though, the extra 2 pins on the rj12 jack appear to be for communication. They trace back to a set of pins on the mcu that are either IIC or Uart (serial). I think it is IIC however because of the circuitry that the signal goes through before getting to the mcu. I think we will see a dongle or two in the future.
Very cool. I found that these pins are at 3.3v. This would be consistent with I2C pull-ups.
I haven't seen any data on these pins with the scope, so perhaps the firmware don't address them or they're tri-stated using another enable signal.

The fact that some off-brand smart power cords caused GPS errors was also interesting. I would have expected to see something on the RJ-12 pins though in that case. I can't recall when I did this test. It is possible that I scoped it after a firmware update. It is possible that early versions of the firmware left the RJ-12's transceiver circuitry enabled, leading to GPS issues with some cable; and the updates to the firmware disabled the transceiver to solve the issue?
 

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Very cool. I found that these pins are at 3.3v. This would be consistent with I2C pull-ups.
I haven't seen any data on these pins with the scope, so perhaps the firmware don't address them or they're tri-stated using another enable signal.

The fact that some off-brand smart power cords caused GPS errors was also interesting. I would have expected to see something on the RJ-12 pins though in that case. I can't recall when I did this test. It is possible that I scoped it after a firmware update. It is possible that early versions of the firmware left the RJ-12's transceiver circuitry enabled, leading to GPS issues with some cable; and the updates to the firmware disabled the transceiver to solve the issue?
Yeah they are pulled up and in iic specs, not uart specs just as you noticed.

They pass through some protection zeners (I believe) and ultimately end up here:
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Which go here:
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If the GPS errors happen because of those pins, it could be that they're set up to use the uart cts and dtr, the stray signals on those alternate pins could have fucked with GPS uart comms since they are hardware data control. Or it could be shorting out the internal uart controller.

Anyways, probing it with a logic analyzer gave nothing. It's not enabled in firmware.
 

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I think Radenso is going to release a unit soon with API/third party app support. I would be nice if Uniden gave its radar detectors API/3rd party app support as well
 

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Yup Radenso already confirmed there new unit would have it. Would be nice if Uniden did but baaed on earlier threads it wont be happening.
 

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Yes, ideally Uniden would get 3rd party app support and then hire/port over the V1 app and also allow users to create even more apps. The app for V1 is very good and well done and offers a lot of features that other companies could really benefit from.
 

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This whole app thing is silly. There are people who want a log range detector that does what its suppose to when its suppose to. Then there are those who want toys and constantly need additional things to play with and stimulate their ADD. I for one hope that Uniden never goes down the road of adding an app, other then to access settings. Adding app support costs money and will raise the price while offering no usable benefit other than gadgetry.
 

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This whole app thing is silly. There are people who want a log range detector that does what its suppose to when its suppose to. Then there are those who want toys and constantly need additional things to play with and stimulate their ADD. I for one hope that Uniden never goes down the road of adding an app, other then to access settings. Adding app support costs money and will raise the price while offering no usable benefit other than gadgetry.
how old are you? 75?

lol just saw the cadillac in your profile pic. looks like my guess is closer than i thought
 

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This whole app thing is silly. There are people who want a log range detector that does what its suppose to when its suppose to. Then there are those who want toys and constantly need additional things to play with and stimulate their ADD. I for one hope that Uniden never goes down the road of adding an app, other then to access settings. Adding app support costs money and will raise the price while offering no usable benefit other than gadgetry.
you might be right but in other cases an app has indeed added new features that people found useful. I also think that if Uniden has released this to satisfy people that want nothing other than long range sensitivity, the they really mislead people big time and the R7 is way overpriced for just that feature. However, i am a little surprised to see people asking for third party support from Uniden when they aren’t even supporting the basic unit itself (at least in my humble opinion).
 

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Lort, I wish they would just add it so people would stop losing their minds over it.

On a side note, I’m about to throw my R7 out. I’ve noticed the only thing it does well Is pick up radar. Don‘t get me wrong, it does it extremely well and when I need it. But, I expect so much more.
 

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how old are you? 75?

lol just saw the cadillac in your profile pic. looks like my guess is closer than i thought
LOL, 55. That's a V by the way so don't prejudge.

How old are you....13?
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you might be right but in other cases an app has indeed added new features that people found useful. I also think that if Uniden has released this to satisfy people that want nothing other than long range sensitivity, the they really mislead people big time and the R7 is way overpriced for just that feature. However, i am a little surprised to see people asking for third party support from Uniden when they aren’t even supporting the basic unit itself (at least in my humble opinion).
What new features did apps provide? Mind you, I've owned a Max 360 in the past and prior to that I owned the Max 2. I'm familiar with what in additional app can do however it added no additional features to the radar detector. All it did was add additional features within an app that gave me no greater range, no better detection, just more nonsense on an app to occupy my mind. The map on escort live was so useless it was a waste of time. The only thing you need is a solid radar detector and Waze.

I do agree with what others have stated, the R7 is overpriced at its retail and under delivers. It's made of cheap flimsy plastic, offers basically the same features as the less expensive R3, and the arrows have proven to me, and many others, to be very unreliable. You could have the radar detector randomly generate an arrow each time a detection was made and it would probably be right more often than the current set up is.
 
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LOL, 55. That's a V by the way so don't prejudge.

How old are you....13?
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What new features did apps provide? Mind you, I've owned a Max 360 in the past and prior to that I owned the Max 2. I'm familiar with what in additional app can do however it added no additional features to the radar detector. All it did was add additional features within an app that gave me no greater range, no better detection, just more nonsense on an app to occupy my mind. The map on escort live was so useless it was a waste of time. The only thing you need is a solid radar detector and Waze.

I do agree with what others have stated, the R7 is overpriced at its retail and under delivers. It's made of cheap flimsy plastic, offers basically the same features as the less expensive R3, and the arrows have proven to me, and many others, to be very unreliable. You could have the radar detector randomly generate an arrow each time a detection was made and it would probably be right more often than the current set up is.
While you rely on waze and its short warning, I enjoy a two-mile warning of all police alerts on waze; the app updates far faster than waze, so I have up do date information. Furthermore, I have access to information at a glance, including county, speed limit, heatmaps of previous radar and waze alerts, suspicious plane or helicopter alerts, my own marked speed traps, VASCAR database, and plenty more.

The game has changed from mere hardware. It's time to check out an app. JBV1 is ready to go with your Uniden; check out offline mode. Even with the R7 range you can't beat situational awareness. I run it with my R7 and miss the alert logging and intelligent lockouts. Hardware that doesn't allow for this capability is not future-proof.

Regardless of your detector loyalties, countermeasure apps are a new way to gain an edge. Why not use them?
 

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While you rely on waze and its short warning, I enjoy a two-mile warning of all police alerts on waze; the app updates far faster than waze, so I have up do date information. Furthermore, I have access to information at a glance, including county, speed limit, heatmaps of previous radar and waze alerts, suspicious plane or helicopter alerts, my own marked speed traps, VASCAR database, and plenty more.

The game has changed from mere hardware. It's time to check out an app. JBV1 is ready to go with your Uniden; check out offline mode. Even with the R7 range you can't beat situational awareness. I run it with my R7 and miss the alert logging and intelligent lockouts. Hardware that doesn't allow for this capability is not future-proof.

Regardless of your detector loyalties, countermeasure apps are a new way to gain an edge. Why not use them?
Are you saying the JBV1 incorporates waze alerts? I was unaware of that. I would still prefer to use ways because I always use it for navigation. I don't rely on my phone telling me police are present because I have my phone positioned to where I can glance at it as I'm driving and see the police marks on my map long before it gives me an audible alert.

How is it ready to go with the uniden?
 
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Are you saying the JBV1 incorporates waze alerts? I was unaware of that. I would still prefer to use ways because I always use it for navigation. I don't rely on my phone telling me police are present because I have my phone positioned to where I can glance at it as I'm driving and see the police marks on my map long before it gives me an audible alert.

How is it ready to go with the uniden?
Enable offline mode on JBV1 and you can run it without a V1. I did a lengthy run yesterday with my R7 + JBV1. You can still run waze (and you should to make reports). Some people run waze in foreground, and JBV1 can overlay alerts right onto waze.


 

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Enable offline mode on JBV1 and you can run it without a V1. I did a lengthy run yesterday with my R7 + JBV1. You can still run waze (and you should to make reports). Some people run waze in foreground, and JBV1 can overlay alerts right onto waze.


Whats the best way to set this up when running offline with the R7? Feel free to message me I you'd like. I appreciate the info
 

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Way to take the high road. How to win friends and influence people. :)
I still do, when connected to the RD while driving. An independent app that provides good information is different, that's why now I run Waze. When you create connectivity through the RD the cost of the RD goes up while adding no better range or functionality that the app itself didn't provide without driving up the cost of the RD.

In the V1's case they were falling behind in the RD side so they added the app feature, at a price for the extra parts, to keep it a player.

My take is don't drive up the price of the RD just so I can connect the app, especially when your RD is leading the class. In my experience, when you integrate to much where everything is codependent you now have multiple things that can go wrong and take time out of your day trying to figure out. The 360 was a nightmare with this with it not connecting half the time, dropping out the other half, their mapping service being down, etc...

A stand alone app can be dealt with independently. Thats why I'm intrigued by the JBV1 running offline. I would like to try some of the settings and see how they work in the background. Probably the only thing I would run is the police alert set to 2 miles. Everything else I can see on Waze along with Navigation and still have it in the foreground.
 

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I still do, when connected to the RD while driving. An independent app that provides good information is different, that's why now I run Waze. When you create connectivity through the RD the cost of the RD goes up while adding no better range or functionality that the app itself didn't provide without driving up the cost of the RD.

In the V1's case they were falling behind in the RD side so they added the app feature, at a price for the extra parts, to keep it a player.

My take is don't drive up the price of the RD just so I can connect the app, especially when your RD is leading the class. In my experience, when you integrate to much where everything is codependent you now have multiple things that can go wrong and take time out of your day trying to figure out. The 360 was a nightmare with this with it not connecting half the time, dropping out the other half, their mapping service being down, etc...

A stand alone app can be dealt with independently. Thats why I'm intrigued by the JBV1 running offline. I would like to try some of the settings and see how they work in the background. Probably the only thing I would run is the police alert set to 2 miles. Everything else I can see on Waze along with Navigation and still have it in the foreground.
FWIW, V1's ESP (Extended Serial Protocol) was originally designed for remote devices like their concealed display, remote audio adaptor, and savvy OBDII adaptor, and to spur 3rd party support for the V1 Valentine Research has always had clear technical documentation available so that others could design products that interface with the V1 (usually used to turn in-dash displays into remote V1 displays) using their ESP.

Later they revised ESP to have full 2-way communication, which was needed by the bluetooth dongle and their V1Connection app. I'm confident their primary goal was to make changing the settings on the V1 easier using an app, rather than having support talk people through the archaic "virtual dip-switches" that the V1 natively uses for changing settings. The secondary benefit was that they could release the API and documentation to 3rd parties as usual, and continue to let an ecosystem develop around the V1 at it's center.

I think if Mike Valentine thought the V1 needed more range, he would have revised the V1 back when the Redline came out and juiced the V1 to beat it. It doesn't seem to be a concern of his, rather he's focused on quieting the V1 through speed based muting, BSM filtering, and making the V1 more approachable to customers through apps. We can certainly debate the merits of range and GPS lockouts, but so far it would seem MV does not share our opinions (at least not yet, his so far un-used patents do look to benefit range, along with filtering).
 
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I still do, when connected to the RD while driving. An independent app that provides good information is different, that's why now I run Waze. When you create connectivity through the RD the cost of the RD goes up while adding no better range or functionality that the app itself didn't provide without driving up the cost of the RD.

In the V1's case they were falling behind in the RD side so they added the app feature, at a price for the extra parts, to keep it a player.

My take is don't drive up the price of the RD just so I can connect the app, especially when your RD is leading the class. In my experience, when you integrate to much where everything is codependent you now have multiple things that can go wrong and take time out of your day trying to figure out. The 360 was a nightmare with this with it not connecting half the time, dropping out the other half, their mapping service being down, etc...

A stand alone app can be dealt with independently. Thats why I'm intrigued by the JBV1 running offline. I would like to try some of the settings and see how they work in the background. Probably the only thing I would run is the police alert set to 2 miles. Everything else I can see on Waze along with Navigation and still have it in the foreground.
JBV1 in offline mode is excellent (even without the V1). You might also look at Highway Radar, another excellent third party app. You do need an Adroid phone for each.
 

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