Another 34.7 C/O - 2 perpendicular reflections

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Same LEO in both videos. I took the business route (cause I like listening to false alerts all over in town - sarcasm), he/she took the bypass, then got into town on the next junction, where we joined paths on the next traffic signal. Although, I am not talking about long range or true off-axis, I still think it was nice detection of reflections, especially the 2nd time - note that voice alert then did not say 34.7 right away, but it was displayed immediately. Any opinions?
 

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Nice Video's! Thanks for sharing.
 

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Same LEO in both videos. I took the business route (cause I like listening to false alerts all over in town - sarcasm), he/she took the bypass, then got into town on the next junction, where we joined paths on the next traffic signal. Although, I am not talking about long range or true off-axis, I still think it was nice detection of reflections, especially the 2nd time - note that voice alert then did not say 34.7 right away, but it was displayed immediately. Any opinions?
These new Whistlers will alert to the first blip they get, especially 34.7 and then they will put the frequency up. It might be a little different if you run Ka filter, but I will never find out cause I'm never going to run Ka filter! I'm sure you have noticed, when you get a face full of 34.7 or 35.5 at full strength, you'll get the frequency on the spot. If it's a weak signal or off axis, you'll just get the Ka grid till it gets stronger. That's so you'll get the alert as soon as possible.Sometimes the voice alert calls it out, sometimes it doesn't. That part I haven't figured out yet!
 
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These new Whistlers will alert to the first blip they get, especially 34.7 and then they will put the frequency up. It might be a little different if you run Ka filter, but I will never find out cause I'm never going to run Ka filter! I'm sure you have noticed, when you get a face full of 34.7 or 35.5 at full strength, you'll get the frequency on the spot. If it's a weak signal or off axis, you'll just get the Ka grid till it gets stronger. That's so you'll get the alert as soon as possible.Sometimes the voice alert calls it out, sometimes it doesn't. That part I haven't figured out yet!
I agree. I also have my Ka filter OFF (0). Been running the FDSr ON, as I think is a bit quicker and locks out K falses of BSMs sooner. The only thing I cannot stand is the Ka falses to BSM. I have send e-mail to Whistler support, and also asked @Bossdad71 if he can bring this to their attention via his contact there. He said they are working on it, so I hope we get an update soon that takes care of it...
 

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I agree. I also have my Ka filter OFF (0). Been running the FDSr ON, as I think is a bit quicker and locks out K falses of BSMs sooner. The only thing I cannot stand is the Ka falses to BSM. I have send e-mail to Whistler support, and also asked @Bossdad71 if he can bring this to their attention via his contact there. He said they are working on it, so I hope we get an update soon that takes care of it...
I have also been running FDSr ### this week with 0 filters and I really like it! I'm like you however, I hate the Ka falses that should be K band also. If they will only fix this issue, they will have one bad @ss detector on their hands!
 
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I have also been running FDSr ### this week with 0 filters and I really like it! I'm like you however, I hate the Ka falses that should be K band also. If they will only fix this issue, they will have one bad @ss detector on their hands!
Indeed. I hate to become numb to Ka alerts, thinking it could be a false when signal is weak and no ID is given. Almost all LEOs around here are Ka, so this is a critical bug to be fixed.
 

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This first video definitely reminds me of the 35.5 encounter I had with my DFR6 a few months ago. Very similar scenario, however I definitely had the aid of a building to catch reflections
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Doing Its Job MA/CT

However, I also compare it to this 90 degree encounter I had just a few weeks ago with 34.7, where I had significantly more reaction time to a very hard source
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Sniffs Out Nice 90 Degree Source

Honestly, I think Whistler is finally making strides in the performance game. Has it caught up to the DFR platform? I'm not entirely sure. From my personal encounters, I would take my unit. But I really badly want to see them become a major player, because more market competition and more choice is always good for the consumer. Plus, my introduction to detectors came from a CR90, so I have fond memories.

And I seriously commend the work of @Kennyc56 , @Bossdad71 , and @Marty K for putting these units on display. Y'all are doing the real work out there!
 

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This first video definitely reminds me of the 35.5 encounter I had with my DFR6 a few months ago. Very similar scenario, however I definitely had the aid of a building to catch reflections
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Doing Its Job MA/CT

However, I also compare it to this 90 degree encounter I had just a few weeks ago with 34.7, where I had significantly more reaction time to a very hard source
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Sniffs Out Nice 90 Degree Source

Honestly, I think Whistler is finally making strides in the performance game. Has it caught up to the DFR platform? I'm not entirely sure. From my personal encounters, I would take my unit. But I really badly want to see them become a major player, because more market competition and more choice is always good for the consumer. Plus, my introduction to detectors came from a CR90, so I have fond memories.

And I seriously commend the work of @Kennyc56 , @Bossdad71 , and @Marty K for putting these units on display. Y'all are doing the real work out there!
The difference between your CR90 and these new Whistlers is amazing! @VariableWave and I tested my CR95 against his DFR8 and they were pretty much dead even! I have always had a soft spot for Whistler. They are just a couple of firmware tweaks away from having a detector that can compete with the biggest dogs on the block! They already can in terms of raw range and are second to none on I/O and Q/T! They just need some work on filtering and they will be right there!
 

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The difference between your CR90 and these new Whistlers is amazing! @VariableWave and I tested my CR95 against his DFR8 and they were pretty much dead even! I have always had a soft spot for Whistler. They are just a couple of firmware tweaks away from having a detector that can compete with the biggest dogs on the block! They already can in terms of raw range and are second to none on I/O and Q/T! They just need some work on filtering and they will be right there!
If they can get the filtering together, I’d seriously consider getting one for my dad. He travels from Boston - New York and back for work, and he could use something just for awareness. He’s not a major speeder and the whole GPS lockouts don’t concern him that much. If whistler can get the filtering down, I’d highly consider a CR97 for him


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This first video definitely reminds me of the 35.5 encounter I had with my DFR6 a few months ago. Very similar scenario, however I definitely had the aid of a building to catch reflections
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Doing Its Job MA/CT

However, I also compare it to this 90 degree encounter I had just a few weeks ago with 34.7, where I had significantly more reaction time to a very hard source
www.rdforum.org: DFR6 Sniffs Out Nice 90 Degree Source

Honestly, I think Whistler is finally making strides in the performance game. Has it caught up to the DFR platform? I'm not entirely sure. From my personal encounters, I would take my unit. But I really badly want to see them become a major player, because more market competition and more choice is always good for the consumer. Plus, my introduction to detectors came from a CR90, so I have fond memories.

And I seriously commend the work of @Kennyc56 , @Bossdad71 , and @Marty K for putting these units on display. Y'all are doing the real work out there!
Thank you for the input, @NorEaster18!
Indeed, we are trying (@Kennyc56 and @Bossdad71 way more than myself) to get this detector tested in tough conditions and bring all the bugs out to the vendor, so we make it better. And yes, your videos are very similar scenarios as you mentioned.

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Whistler support kind of sucks. I don't mean to be rude, but the reply to my e-mail (in regards to the Ka falsing to BSM as a bug) was to just turn ON TFSR and turn OFF FDSr. It's like everything I explained was ignored. I replied by repeating myself, so hope it gets thru this time...

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Nothing much different at the end of the week. I got at least 3 or 4, sometimes 5 Ka false alerts during each drive to work and back this week. They were all brief, maybe 4-5 seconds at most (which is bad, because it gives an impression of I/O or Q/T). On the other side, the K falses from BSMs are very quickly locked out with FDSr ON. I had another off-axis reflection today from 34.7 (also 90-degree, LEO was stopped on a parking lot, facing the road I was onto). No word from Whistler support. Enjoy your weekend, all (where weather is not bad that is)...

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34.7 detected as soon as I turned my detector on.
Where the source was can be anyone's guess. I never saw the LEO, but I believe he/she was somewhere on the main street, opposite direction to mine, as I joined in...
 

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Thank you for the input, @NorEaster18!
Indeed, we are trying (@Kennyc56 and @Bossdad71 way more than myself) to get this detector tested in tough conditions and bring all the bugs out to the vendor, so we make it better. And yes, your videos are very similar scenarios as you mentioned.

--- DOUBLEPOST MERGED ---

Whistler support kind of sucks. I don't mean to be rude, but the reply to my e-mail (in regards to the Ka falsing to BSM as a bug) was to just turn ON TFSR and turn OFF FDSr. It's like everything I explained was ignored. I replied by repeating myself, so hope it gets thru this time...

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Nothing much different at the end of the week. I got at least 3 or 4, sometimes 5 Ka false alerts during each drive to work and back this week. They were all brief, maybe 4-5 seconds at most (which is bad, because it gives an impression of I/O or Q/T). On the other side, the K falses from BSMs are very quickly locked out with FDSr ON. I had another off-axis reflection today from 34.7 (also 90-degree, LEO was stopped on a parking lot, facing the road I was onto). No word from Whistler support. Enjoy your weekend, all (where weather is not bad that is)...

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34.7 detected as soon as I turned my detector on.
Where the source was can be anyone's guess. I never saw the LEO, but I believe he/she was somewhere on the main street, opposite direction to mine, as I joined in...
That was a damn good off axis hit, don't you think?!
 

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That was a damn good off axis hit, don't you think?!
Agree. Still hard to believe though, with all the mist / light rain around. Plus, I was on a lower ground than the main road. But after all, 34.7 is never a false, so it is indeed pretty cool. I just wish I could have confirmed the source...

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This is from Whistler support:

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Martin,

TFSR does not add 1 second or more of delay, it is approx 500~550ms.
Filters can also be used in conjunction with TFSR as each additional filter adds approx 100ms so the customer is in control of the setting therefore the delay.

A combination of TFSR and the maximum Filter is in the area of 1 seconds however you will find that there is no need to utilize all of these in order to be effective. Personally I use TFSR ON, XK Flter 2, Ka FIlter 2 then I set the AFSPD to 40. Because the AFSPD is set to 40 the unit will use my selections when driving above 40 but will use the maximum filtering when driving below 40.

As the CR97 has 5 filter, if you are concerned avout reactivity from quick trigger, try TFSR OFF and experiment with XK Filter 3, 4, or 5 and Ka Filter 2, 3, 4, or 5 to find the right balance of filtering vs band ID vs reactivity.

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Thank you,
Whistler Customer Support"

... Still no word on he BSM false as Ka band issue...
 

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Agree. Still hard to believe though, with all the mist / light rain around. Plus, I was on a lower ground than the main road. But after all, 34.7 is never a false, so it is indeed pretty cool. I just wish I could have confirmed the source...

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This is from Whistler support:

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Martin,

TFSR does not add 1 second or more of delay, it is approx 500~550ms.
Filters can also be used in conjunction with TFSR as each additional filter adds approx 100ms so the customer is in control of the setting therefore the delay.

A combination of TFSR and the maximum Filter is in the area of 1 seconds however you will find that there is no need to utilize all of these in order to be effective. Personally I use TFSR ON, XK Flter 2, Ka FIlter 2 then I set the AFSPD to 40. Because the AFSPD is set to 40 the unit will use my selections when driving above 40 but will use the maximum filtering when driving below 40.

As the CR97 has 5 filter, if you are concerned avout reactivity from quick trigger, try TFSR OFF and experiment with XK Filter 3, 4, or 5 and Ka Filter 2, 3, 4, or 5 to find the right balance of filtering vs band ID vs reactivity.

--

Thank you,
Whistler Customer Support"

... Still no word on he BSM false as Ka band issue...
I have some stuff getting ready to happen behind the scenes between @Bossdad71 and I and his contacts at Whistler pretty soon! They want me to do some in home testing to duplicate the K and Ka mixup that we are seeing. One way or another, this is going to get fixed or I will bust hell open trying!
 

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I have some stuff getting ready to happen behind the scenes between @Bossdad71 and I and his contacts at Whistler pretty soon! They want me to do some in home testing to duplicate the K and Ka mixup that we are seeing. One way or another, this is going to get fixed or I will bust hell open trying!
That sounds very good. I am glad that they are actually following up on this, as the 2 or 3 times I did mentioned it to their support - it was never acknowledged. Looking forward to hear about your testing results, so best of luck and hope you guys nail it...