Can't decide ALP + netradar or ALP + Radenso RCM (1 Viewer)

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Can't decide between ALP + netradar or ALP + Radenso RCM. The first option is much cheaper, and the netradar seems to have better range than the RCM in vortex' tests. But I don't like using a smartphone and like to have Waze open on my carplay, so that's a point for Radenso's system. Has anyone tried both and can compare the 2 options? Does either one excel in anything other than pure range like MRCD or BSM filtering or features in general?
 

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I'm having ALP + Radenso RCM installed as we speak. I doubt you'll find anyone who has had both, but Vortex did do a good video on it, you can find it here:


I'll let you know how I like mine when I get it back this week.
 

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If you can afford to have it professionally installed all at one time, go for the ALP + Radenso RCM! In my option it is hands down the best concealed Lidar/Radar package (but of course only because an ALP with integrates Valentine 2 isn't available).
 

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I'm having ALP + Radenso RCM installed as we speak. I doubt you'll find anyone who has had both, but Vortex did do a good video on it, you can find it here:


I'll let you know how I like mine when I get it back this week.
Wow, looks like the Netradar has a lot of shortcomings.
 

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Get the RCM based on your dislikes. The NR really needs to use BT and phone to make it polished. The RCM is standalone system and you don't need to use your phone. The NR has better range but the Radenso can detect more MRCT/MRCD and has better BSM K band filtering.
 

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I like the Maxci360 for radar the best, with Radensos RCM as a close second. Escort detectors are just more "main stream" refined. Radenso has a few hiccups to smooth out, with GPS being the main concern. Either way you wont be disappointed.
FYI I have both a Dsp netradar ($606) and MaxCi ($2300) coming up for sale on RebelRadar.com
 

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Maybe it's a little redundant for me to reply, heh, but yeah I run the RC M pretty regularly and almost never boot up the NR DSP anymore. I like the RC M's BSM filtering better, lockouts don't require a phone, I have a dedicated display, the difference between radar and laser alerts visually is much more clear, and so on. The RC M does cost more, yes, but it's also a better experience IMHO.
 

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I like the Maxci360 for radar the best, with Radensos RCM as a close second. Escort detectors are just more "main stream" refined. Radenso has a few hiccups to smooth out, with GPS being the main concern. Either way you wont be disappointed.
FYI I have both a Dsp netradar ($606) and MaxCi ($2300) coming up for sale on RebelRadar.com
Yeah I'm much more of an Escort guy, but those prices for the CI units are killing me. I used to have good luck finding them much cheaper brand new (I don't necessarily mind losing the warranty if the price is right), but that was back in the day and it seems it's much more difficult to find them cheaper. I also like that the Escort stuff automatically filters stuff out so I don't have to worry about marking every false alert.

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Maybe it's a little redundant for me to reply, heh, but yeah I run the RC M pretty regularly and almost never boot up the NR DSP anymore. I like the RC M's BSM filtering better, lockouts don't require a phone, I have a dedicated display, the difference between radar and laser alerts visually is much more clear, and so on. The RC M does cost more, yes, but it's also a better experience IMHO.
Thanks, that definitely steers me towards the RCM. I've watched your review video like 20 times now trying to decide!
 

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Yeah I'm much more of an Escort guy, but those prices for the CI units are killing me. I used to have good luck finding them much cheaper brand new (I don't necessarily mind losing the warranty if the price is right), but that was back in the day and it seems it's much more difficult to find them cheaper. I also like that the Escort stuff automatically filters stuff out so I don't have to worry about marking every false alert.
Give me a shout if you decide on going the Escort route and I can give you some of the most competitive pricing out there, New and Used.
 

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Yeah I'm much more of an Escort guy
The Escort products you have enjoyed in the past were developed when the company was owned by Radenso's current majority owner (alongside myself).

Some real talk:

The Escort radar side is good. The Max360CI radar unit is their only radar product I consider competitive and not existentially flawed. It has equivalent range with the DSP and RC M, worse filtering than the RC M, and arguably better ergonomics. However, it lacks MRCD which is a major oversight.

The Netradar DSP is a top-notch antenna as far as sensitivity goes, and if the user is a very technical one can be preferred to the Escort unit. It also has limited MRCD capabilities, which the Escort does not. And you know it will have more firmware updates and is a much more customer-focused product. But it lacks having a dedicated display for the average user. Most non-enthusiasts would probably prefer an Escort-style unit.

The Escort laser side of things is poor compared to the AL Priority. Many of my dealers, before they sold Radenso, would sell the customer a Max 360 radar, throw away the laser portion, and then install a stand-alone AL Priority. Personally, I would not ever spend a few grand on a system and not purchase the best available, so the proprietary nature of the radar/laser Escort side is a non-starter for me.

The Netradar and RC M both benefit from AL Priority integration. The RC M is a simpler, stand-alone system that has built-in lockout abilities and the best false alert filtering on the market. It is the only system which is "standalone" that boasts AL Priority integration. The NetRadar beats the RC M in KA sensitivity by a couple decibles, but lacks in false alert filtering and a standalone display with lockouts. Both units boast MRCD capability, but the RC Ms is hardware based which means it scan scan down lower in the K band spectrum.

On the support side of things, Netradar and AL Priority are stable, successful businesses that have an excellent track record of support. Radenso is owned by the founder of Escort and has an excellent track record of support.

Escort has had 6 CEOs in 8 years and is owned by the bank. They had the smallest radar related booth at SEMA, and are currently suing their biggest two competitors. As for support, well, give their support department a call and try it for yourself.

There is a choice for everyone in this market. Some will prefer Escort, some will prefer NetRadar, and some will prefer Radenso. It just depends on what your priorities are. None of these three systems are "bad" choices, compared to cheaper alternatives. You probably won't get a ticket with any of them, statistically speaking. But objectively, when viewed as a complete package (radar and laser) two of them protect better than the other one does.
 
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The RC-M and the 5 year warranty.... You can't beat that. I run NRDSP dual and wish I went the RC-M route now

^^ THIS!
 

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5 year warranty is only if you get it installed by a Platinum dealer. 2 year warranty for non-platinum.
 

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5 year warranty is only if you get it installed by a Platinum dealer. 2 year warranty for non-platinum.
Why do RD companies pull this crap? I've installed a lot of CI RD's and it's not like it's rocket science in the least. You are just running cables and plugging them in. If something is shorted or a cable is broken it's pretty easy to tell and then it's justified to deny warranty claims.
 

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Why do RD companies pull this crap? I've installed a lot of CI RD's and it's not like it's rocket science in the least. You are just running cables and plugging them in. If something is shorted or a cable is broken it's pretty easy to tell and then it's justified to deny warranty claims.
Dealer support that supports Radenso. They’ve been checked and verified that they’ll do it right and not half ass it like some shops do.



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Why do RD companies pull this crap? I've installed a lot of CI RD's and it's not like it's rocket science in the least. You are just running cables and plugging them in. If something is shorted or a cable is broken it's pretty easy to tell and then it's justified to deny warranty claims.
Would you trust a pediatrician to perform spine surgery? A doctor is a doctor, after all - right?

Think of our platinum dealer program like board certification for doctors. For going through a more stringent and time consuming process, which takes money out of the dealers pockets (they are stuck in training with us when they could be working), they are rewarded with things that other dealers do not get. This helps raise the overall quality of installing dealers all over the country, which is shockingly low. The majority of dealers and consumers install these systems incorrectly. We invest a lot of time in education and frankly the only way to get dealers to buy in is to offer them something in exchange. Most aren't going to do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
 

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Would you trust a pediatrician to perform spine surgery? A doctor is a doctor, after all - right?

Think of our platinum dealer program like board certification for doctors. For going through a more stringent and time consuming process, which takes money out of the dealers pockets (they are stuck in training with us when they could be working), they are rewarded with things that other dealers do not get. This helps raise the overall quality of installing dealers all over the country, which is shockingly low. The majority of dealers and consumers install these systems incorrectly. We invest a lot of time in education and frankly the only way to get dealers to buy in is to offer them something in exchange. Most aren't going to do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Comparing a doctor performing spine surgery is a FAR cry from installing something as simple as a CI system which consists mainly of finding a switched power in the fusebox, a ground and otherwise just running wires. Comparing this to a doctor is really insulting, my 7 year old could most likely install a CI RD. A proper instruction guide can guide even the most inept around possible issues such as mounting antennas behind radar blocking grilles and such. Like I said it's not rocket science for anyone with the least bit of technical know how, and anyone without any technical know how will have it installed by a dealer anyway.

You are doing this to your most loyal customers, the ones willing to overpay 4-5X the price of a windshield RD but who don't need to spend the extra $1000 or more for installation or who don't feel comfortable with someone else taking apart their vehicle. I get dealer incentive, but I would assume they are able to slightly mark up the dealer price and also they get installation fees.

The warranty penalty doesn't even make any sense. Are you saying an improperly installed system will last 2 years, but not 5 years? Wouldn't an improperly installed system malfunction right away?
 
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Hyperbolic metaphors aside, I think what he's saying is that it's an incentive to dealers and not a penalty to users. Also, there are plenty of people out there that think they know what they're doing but don't, so I can see wanting to protect the company from that.

As a consumer you'll just have to weigh the pros and cons on what the warranty and other features mean to you.

I would say that one very important feature is that Radenso & Net radar are actually active and engage users on this forum.
 

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Comparing a doctor performing spine surgery is a FAR cry from installing something as simple as a CI system which consists mainly of finding a switched power in the fusebox, a ground and otherwise just running wires. Comparing this to a doctor is really insulting, my 7 year old could most likely install a CI RD. A proper instruction guide can guide even the most inept around possible issues such as mounting antennas behind radar blocking grilles and such. Like I said it's not rocket science for anyone with the least bit of technical know how, and anyone without any technical know how will have it installed by a dealer anyway.

You are doing this to your most loyal customers, the ones willing to overpay 4-5X the price of a windshield RD but who don't need to spend the extra $1000 or more for installation or who don't feel comfortable with someone else taking apart their vehicle. I get dealer incentive, but I would assume they are able to slightly mark up the dealer price and also they get installation fees.

The warranty penalty doesn't even make any sense. Are you saying an improperly installed system will last 2 years, but not 5 years? Wouldn't an improperly installed system malfunction right away?
Think of it more as offering further incentives to use the platinum install network. Not that a non-platinum install will break.

Companies will commonly offer extra incentives, since if they didn't why bother with the nicer platinum service?
 

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Comparing a doctor performing spine surgery is a FAR cry from installing something as simple as a CI system which consists mainly of finding a switched power in the fusebox, a ground and otherwise just running wires. Comparing this to a doctor is really insulting, my 7 year old could most likely install a CI RD. A proper instruction guide can guide even the most inept around possible issues such as mounting antennas behind radar blocking grilles and such. Like I said it's not rocket science for anyone with the least bit of technical know how, and anyone without any technical know how will have it installed by a dealer anyway.
It is HILARIOUS that you think people read instruction guides. And even funnier that you think dealers would ever open them a single time, even when doing an install for the first time. Here is how that call typically goes:

"Hi Radenso, there is a problem with your system."
"Well, did you read the instruction card that we put in the box so it's the FIRST thing you see?"
"No, I've done a bunch of K40 units and have been for installing for 20 years, I know how to do it."
"Ok sir, in the instructions on page 2 it says to update your software. Did you do that?"
"No."

I have no doubt that you can install your own CI unit. But you're a doctor - you're not most people. I think you are vastly overestimating the state of your fellow human beings work ethic, honesty, and intelligence.

What you are missing is that it's not about "can" but rather about "willing to." A huge majority of dealers do things wrong because they are focused on profit vs. customer, or simply lazy. Like it or not, that's the way it is in the real world. The platinum program is a way of separating those who are willing to put in effort from those who aren't.

You are doing this to your most loyal customers, the ones willing to overpay 4-5X the price of a windshield RD but who don't need to spend the extra $1000 or more for installation or who don't feel comfortable with someone else taking apart their vehicle. I get dealer incentive, but I would assume they are able to slightly mark up the dealer price and also they get installation fees.
They can't mark up anything because people price shop each shop against each other. Install fees are part of the problem here - when there is no quality bar to compare against and each shop is simply selling on price, what happens is that knowing the consumer will shop around, shops "race to the bottom." They will bid what should be a 10hr installation job for $300, and then throw in the system completely wrong as quickly as possible since they can't actually spend 10hr labor installing it. And then the consumer gets a several grand system that doesn't work.

The platinum dealer program prevents that, since we limit them to 1-2 per major metro area. These are vetted dealers that have top notch ability, and that I know won't install the product wrong to make a quick buck.

Frankly, I'm not really doing anything to my loyal customers. .01% of people want to install it themselves. Dealers are my customers on the custom install units, not the end user - most end users will buy whatever the dealer tells them. Just like on the direct side of the business I protect my customers, I need to do the same on the wholesale side. Operating this way has worked out pretty well - we're the only business seeing growth on the custom install side.

The warranty penalty doesn't even make any sense. Are you saying an improperly installed system will last 2 years, but not 5 years? Wouldn't an improperly installed system malfunction right away?
Nope. All kinds of things happen over time from improper installation. Radar antenna installed too close to a heat source like an exhaust, wires routed through firewalls without grommeting which wear and short out over time, cpus installed under the hood prone to water incursion instead of in the interior of the car, etc.
 
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