Uniden R3 vs Original Escort Redline - observations. (1 Viewer)

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I' ve had 4 Pro A

My latest Pro A manufactured in 2017 has virtually NO k band false.

However it has the highest lazer false of the 4 units I have owned...

I sold my r3. I found that the r3 was very similar, the proA I was running was a 2016 build.

Now run the proA and a 9500IX

The 9500IX is quite hot, and alerts about 1 second quicker....but the PROA has thrashed it once with early detection. For that reason I will be keeping my 2017 copy.
How did it alert on second quicker? Do you run them side by side at the same time?

Note: as above one detector will be affecting the performance of the other if this is the case.
 

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Note: as above one detector will be affecting the performance of the other if this is the case.
"Could be", and "might be". It's not a golden rule though!

I'm not trying to be smart, and it is a valid point in many cases, but the whole "RD side by side interference" topic is not valid at all in many cases. Like in my case, on all tests I have done so far, in my situation.

It will be interesting to see what Redline 1 says about his case though.

Cheers
 
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"Could be", and "might be". It's not a golden rule though!

I'm not trying to be smart, and it is a valid point in many cases, but the whole "RD side by side interference" topic is not valid at all in many cases. Like in my case, on all tests I have done so far, in my situation.

It will be interesting to see what Redline 1 says about his case though.

Cheers
Do some reading on the forum and you'll realise why you can't trust any tests done in this manner. Or if you prefer watching videos watch Vortex Radar on this topic.

You'll find most people won't trust those results if they're done side by side. So they'll mean nothing to most on the forum.
 

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I know. Which is why I have updated the original post to explain the testing conditions, to remove this doubt in this thread.

I understand the technical aspects extremely well.

If people on the forum are not prepared to ask the right questions, or would like to assume the testing conditions are invalid and form incorrect opinions on 'how it is', that is up to them. I will loose no sleep over that!

Hopefully everyone can just take the observations as they are, which are trustworthy, to learn something.

That's enough of that topic anyway. Let's get back to R3 vs Redline testing to see what we can find out.

Cheers. :cheers:
 
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How did it alert on second quicker? Do you run them side by side at the same time?

Note: as above one detector will be affecting the performance of the other if this is the case.
They were running opposite sides of the windscreen. Yes they were running at the same time. Sometimes the r3 would alert first by much more than 1 second, and vice versa with the m3 unit, but generally it was within 1 sec or so

The 9500IX and m3 were also opposite of ws, but detection times have always been with 1 sec.... and the one very big difference in detection

. I know your not meant to run two together, but being both m3 + r3 are stealth + opposite sides, should not really matter ....but maybe it does. The 9500ix and m3 well very likely. Performance on K with mobile speed camera is again almost exactly 1 second, with edge to the m3. The 2017 copy m3 is exceeding quiet on BSM chat.3 m3 copies were k band seg to 1 and the 4th was redline-0 so no K seg. I found the redline-0 to be incredibly sensitive on KA, and I think it was manufactured in 2013.
 
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@Redline 1 - the way I determined that my R3 and Redline side-by side were not interfering with each-other, in my tests, was to repeat the same tests multiple times, using different combinations of the detectors being ON and OFF to compare the results. I have found no difference so far - however your detectors are very different to mine!

It would be interesting to see if you can do the same sort of tests, because as @Aucklandradar and @CJR238 have said, it could be impacting your results.
 

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"Could be", and "might be". It's not a golden rule though!

I'm not trying to be smart, and it is a valid point in many cases, but the whole "RD side by side interference" topic is not valid at all in many cases. Like in my case, on all tests I have done so far, in my situation.

It will be interesting to see what Redline 1 says about his case though.

Cheers
So you have actually have run them side by side then. How about telling us which method you used on your vids.
As for making multiple runs, how did you know the conditions were exactly the same each time?
One second difference in alert response is statistically pointless. It's around 30 - 40 metres at 100 - 110 k's.
The whole range issue with detectors is fraught. I've run them since the mid 80's and have had many times when I've thought a detector was rubbish only to get a long detection soon after. There are too many variables.
Don't start thinking you're being picked on, but when you start announcing the results of "testing" your methods have to be valid.
 
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@LouG, you're welcome, and I am glad that you find my testing useful.

Thanks @CJR238 Yep, sorry that I annoyed the forum sheriff's, but anyhow... :)

FYI, I work in the RF engineering field and understand this stuff far better than most.

I will update the first post to mention the confirmation of individual testing.

Wherever possible, all tests have been repeated with only a SINGLE detector powered on. There has been NO CHANGE to the results as I have recorded.

Observation #14 has been added.

Cheers.
"Wherever possible" is a cleverly disguised way of stating Legally that obviously ALL TESTs are not apples to apples whereas, stated SOME TESTs that confirm to my objective are done with only SINGLE DETECTORS negating any effect of LO Interference,
HOWEVER, other Tests performed were done using TWO DETECTORs which as stated by you being an ""Better than most"" RF Engineer, can and will have LO Interference. I'm not saying that's what you did per se ... I am saying that Fact still exists in your
"Better than most" RF knowledge testing of 2 detectors at a time mounted close together. IMHO.

Sorry IMHO and most call me a Radenso Fanboi
(( of which I am not )) and I will concede my R3 is Noisier than my ProM by a Large margin, my REDLINE on K Band Falsing is LIGHT YEARS NOISER
Than my R3 !!!! ,,, and pretty much everyone on RDF will attest to that !!

Nice try !

Btw: I LOOOOOVE my Redline with KA ONLY 35.5
ONLY .... It is a BEAST !!

K Band ... NOPE !!

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So you have actually have run them side by side then. How about telling us which method you used on your vids.
As for making multiple runs, how did you know the conditions were exactly the same each time?
One second difference in alert response is statistically pointless. It's around 30 - 40 metres at 100 - 110 k's.
The whole range issue with detectors is fraught. I've run them since the mid 80's and have had many times when I've thought a detector was rubbish only to get a long detection soon after. There are too many variables.
Don't start thinking you're being picked on, but when you start announcing the results of "testing" your methods have to be valid.
Mate - they are OBSERVATIONS - and there are NO VIDS. Yes, I have run the tests side by side, and separately, where it is possible to repeat the tests, multiple times... Why is this so hard for you to understand? I have repeated these tests "WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE" with both detectors side by side, and with them totally isolated, with no changes in the results observed. Is this not valid enough for you?

"As for making multiple runs, how did you know the conditions were exactly the same each time?" Well, one example I will give you is a stationary K band mobile camera, parked on the side of a quiet country road near where I live. I drove past this car over a 30 minute window no less than 20 times, with no traffic (so, no additional reflections) and compared the results of having both detectors ON, or only a single detector powered on. I even moved the detectors to the exact mounting position when testing them in isolation. (This is where I found that the Redline with TSR ON could actually miss the camera occasionally).

I DO agree about the "one second is pointless" comment you make. These observations are just that, and might help people understand how they work in real life - because many seem to think that the "R3 is the best in every way", which is not necessarily the case.



"Wherever possible" is a cleverly disguised way of stating Legally that obviously ALL TESTs are not apples to apples whereas, stated SOME TESTs that confirm to my objective are done with only SINGLE DETECTORS negating any effect of LO Interference,
HOWEVER, other Tests performed were done using TWO DETECTORs which as stated by you being an ""Better than most"" RF Engineer, can and will have LO Interference. I'm not saying that's what you did per se ... I am saying that Fact still exists in your
"Better than most" RF knowledge testing of 2 detectors at a time mounted close together. IMHO.

Sorry IMHO and most call me a Radenso Fanboi
(( of which I am not )) and I will concede my R3 is Noisier than my ProM by a Large margin, my REDLINE on K Band Falsing is LIGHT YEARS NOISER
Than my R3 !!!! ,,, and pretty much everyone on RDF will attest to that !!

Nice try !

Btw: I LOOOOOVE my Redline with KA ONLY 35.5
ONLY .... It is a BEAST !!

K Band ... NOPE !!

Benzr
I don't really understand what you are saying. Are you drunk? lol. There is no "cleverly disguised" activities going on here. How about I repeat what I just said to LouG for you:

They are OBSERVATIONS. I have run the tests side by side, and separately, where it is possible to repeat the tests, multiple times... Is this not valid enough for you?

I have repeated these tests "WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE" with both detectors side by side, and with them totally isolated, with no changes in the results observed.

For example - I am NOT able to repeat a test that involves driving towards an active Highway Patrol Police car with a Laser gun out the window, am I!?? But I am able to repeat tests where it involves a stationary, non-police K band camera, or a fixed camera, or on false signals, etc... Again, in case you guys missed it:

I have repeated these tests "WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE" with both detectors side by side, and with them totally isolated, with no changes in the results observed.

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On a positive note, your observation of "I will concede my R3 is Noisier than my ProM by a Large margin, my REDLINE on K Band Falsing is LIGHT YEARS NOISER Than my R3 !!!!" is interesting, and part of what this thread was supposed to be all about.

Have a nice day you guys. And try to relax. Really. :)
 
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I'm cool ... smile.
:beer:

Wish I had a beer though. Samuel Adams Winter Lager or Guiness Stout .... alas, it is not the weekend so no beer for you !! ... ehhrr me .

Just Love that soup guy reference Circa Jerry Seinfeld "" No soup for you !! ""

Just want to confirm those are a single person's observations/tests (( which is Great for our RDFORUM !!)) ... :)
with the Caveat this is DEFINITELY NOT THE Norm of Hundreds of us Enthusiasts. Just one example.

Thats all. Thanks for the testing !! :slick:

:wink:

benzr
 

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Conclusion: Although, my initial gut feeling was that the NZ firmware is better on K band, this test pretty much shows that against redflex there is no noticeable difference in sensitivity between the latest two R3 firmware versions. Therefore anyone running US Firmware on their R3 pretty much has the same level of protection against redflex as their NZ Counterparts.
Great - many thanks for testing !

I was reasonably confident that the NZ/A firmware would not change K Band sensitivity...
I still need to check against my Raptor RP-1 (8 mW, polarised K band)

Your passengers will enjoy using it! :D
We need a screen invert option, and a mount on the underside :)

Looks like I'll need to run top right hand side of screen
 
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Thanks @benzr

:drinking:

Yes - the first post are all my observations. And yes, the Samuel Adams Winter Lager sounds good to me! :)

Cheers
 

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Great - many thanks for testing !



I still need to check against my Raptor RP-1 (8 mW, polarised K band)



We need a screen invert option, and a mount on the underside :)

Looks like I'll need to run top right hand side of screen
I THINK the Magnum does the invert screen. Don't think our Redlines do. Magnum basically a Redline, but quieter K Band.
If you do get a Magnum Search here at RDF for a WB Magnum (Wirebond LNA) Tests better sensitivity !!

benzr

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Thanks @benzr

:drinking:

Yes - the first post are all my observations. And yes, the Samuel Adams Winter Lager sounds good to me! :)

Cheers
Wish I was DRUNK though !! ...smile
WELL "buzzed" Drunks NEVER get the women !!

just sayin'
 

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We need a screen invert option, and a mount on the underside :)

Looks like I'll need to run top right hand side of screen
I'll need a bigger dashboard! lol.. The R7 looks HUGE compared to the R3. Having the detector on the dash / windscreen makes me nervous enough here... Sneakiness and ninja-like speedy removal skills are required! :D
 

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Yeah, fortunately RD's are still legal in WA, LJ's were banned over a year ago
 

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I am also keen to test and compare the R7. Don't know if uniden will remake the R7 for right hand drive? Perhaps I will have to mount on far right of windscreen to see the screen! However, RH side may be better placed for mobile cameras scanning from left side of road (probably gains an extra meter potential alert distance against diagonal radar, versus central mount position).

However, R7 probably not great for laser alerts anyway (useless on the R3 IMHO). Reckon the original redline would smoke the R3 and R7 for sure against genuine police laser. This definitely saved me many times with laser stealthed car and redline combo (only 1 ticket off police in 9 years, versus 1 ticket in 2 months with laser on R3! (my eyes also didn't even see it coming!)).
 

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I am also keen to test and compare the R7. Don't know if uniden will remake the R7 for right hand drive? Perhaps I will have to mount on far right of windscreen to see the screen! However, RH side may be better placed for mobile cameras scanning from left side of road (probably gains an extra meter potential alert distance against diagonal radar, versus central mount position).
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VR never changed the case layout, I doubt Uniden will. Their focus is the huge US/Canada market, we're not worth worrying about.
 

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My observations of original Redline vs R3

R3 better long range and off axis of 34.7
R3 rear detection much greater than Redline, still detects signal from behind long after passing the source where as the Redline didn't.
Redline got to the point where it would laser false to Honda and Mazda DRL's and drove me crazy...
I've only ever had my R3 alert Laser once and that was cresting down a hill at sunset in a residential area so I know it was just a false.
 

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Interesting stuff @DEMON5. Thanks for sharing!

My observations against yours are as follows:

R3 better long range and off axis of 34.7 -
I don't have enough Ka band data to comment on this as yet - but the few Ka alerts I have had, the R3 has kept up with the Redline.

R3 rear detection much greater than Redline, still detects signal from behind long after passing the source where as the Redline didn't. - Is this for both K and Ka? I find my R3 to be almost the same as my Redline, but actually, I find my R3 more directional (forward gain biased) than the Redline. (i.e Where I point the R3 makes a big difference in the displayed signal strength for K band, while the Redline seems less fussy. Overall though, the overall detection range seems about the same, despite a difference in displayed signal strength.

Redline got to the point where it would laser false to Honda and Mazda DRL's and drove me crazy... Absolutely! Drive me crazy too - TSR helps a LOT - but at the expense of missing some cameras, in my experience.

I've only ever had my R3 alert Laser once and that was cresting down a hill at sunset in a residential area so I know it was just a false. There seems to be a general consensus that the R3 is a little lazy on Laser Detection?? Also, see my observation #6 in the first post about this.
 

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HI all -

#15 - Updating the R3 firmware, AND performing "Factory Resets" does NOT erase the Mute Memory! This is great news!
 
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