Waze poll

Do you you Waze or not? POLL

  • I am a Waze user.

    Votes: 175 92.1%
  • I did use Waze but not anymore.

    Votes: 7 3.7%
  • I do not use Waze.

    Votes: 8 4.2%

  • Total voters
    190

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@xydrine I believe that was the goal. If the common person or leo googles "waze", calling it vvaze or daze keeps it out of the google results lol.
That's how it was explained to me,,,,
 

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@xydrine I believe that was the goal. If the common person or leo googles "waze", calling it vvaze or daze keeps it out of the google results lol.
That's how it was explained to me,,,,
I'm sorry but that's just absolutely ridiculous. Honestly I thought we were were past this type of paranoia.

Doing this doesn't hurt LEOs or Google search results, it hurts RDF members.

LEOs searching Google will have no problem finding this thread because THE TITLE OF IT INCLUDES "WAZE"... Waze is mentioned here and in every other thread about Waze using the proper name - Google isn't able to search individual posts here, however our members using our search function are, so I say again that the only people you are hurting is other RDF members.

If you don't want LEOs to find content that is posted on RDF then don't post it in a public area.

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I'm sorry but that's just absolutely ridiculous. Honestly I thought we were were past this type of paranoia.

Doing this doesn't hurt LEOs or Google search results, it hurts RDF members.

LEOs searching Google will have no problem finding this thread because THE TITLE OF IT INCLUDES "WAZE"... Waze is mentioned here and in every other thread about Waze using the proper name - Google isn't able to search individual posts here, however our members using our search function are, so I say again that the only people you are hurting is other RDF members.

If you don't want LEOs to find content that is posted on RDF then don't post it in a public area.

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Hey just repeating what I was told. Don't know if that's still the case
 

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Hey just repeating what I was told. Don't know if that's still the case
I was simply addressing the content of what you wrote, not you specifically.

This is a topic we have addressed probably 100+ times previously and went away for a while because people understood where we were coming from, so it's just a real shame to see that it has re-emerged.

As a side note, at least in the past I understood part of the reasoning for something like all posts about radar detectors or laser jammers Etc being completely hidden from search engines like Google, but for the life of me I cannot understand why there would be any need to hide a discussion about Waze for example.

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Yeah, I don’t understand why you would try to hide waze from search engines. Especially when the rest of us say waze. :D
 

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I might be partially to blame for the appearance of "VVaze" on RDF as I started to use it almost all the time in the last couple of months an I've seen a few others using it as well. Visually I thought it was better than "Daze, dayse, etc." Also, I spend a lot of time in JBV1 areas where this is possibly more desirable.

I also was under the impression that some people here believed this to be a benefit. To be honest, I don't always know what is searchable without an account.

In recent months we've had a new user show up like a bull in a china closet telling us all how stupid it was to call it daze because he still knew what it meant and at that point, it wasn't clarified by anyone of authority.

To me it's kind of been a gray area. So, @xydrine you are saying that we should stop this entirely?
 
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I was on the forums for maybe a good couple weeks before I caught on that references to Daze actually meant Waze. I thought it was a V1 specific app that someone made. lol
 

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I was on the forums for maybe a good couple weeks before I caught on that references to Daze actually meant Waze. I thought it was a V1 specific app that someone made. lol
I experienced the same confusion.

Either way, I figured that this forum would be discovered by detractors and other unfriendly folks rather easily due to the wealth of content here, and using the occasional veiled reference to something would do little to mask it from view.
 

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I might be partially to blame for the appearance of "VVaze" on RDF as I started to use it almost all the time in the last couple of months an I've seen a few others using it as well. Visually I thought it was better than "Daze, dayse, etc." Also, I spend a lot of time in JBV1 areas where this is possibly more desirable.

I also was under the impression that some people here believed this to be a benefit. To be honest, I don't always know what is searchable without an account.

In recent months we've had a new user show up like a bull in a china closet telling us all how stupid it was to call it daze because he still knew what it meant and at that point, it wasn't clarified by anyone of authority.

To me it's kind of been a gray area. So, @xydrine you are saying that we should stop this entirely?
Clarified by a person in authority? You guys never made a separate thread about it and asked.

For the life of me I just cannot understand why on earth or any other planet capable of intelligent life that anyone would think that calling a completely legal, free, public, widely used and discussed app something other than it's proper name.

He'll, if I was for some reason in this camp of thought I'd make the case that apps like Escort Live! or RLC database products should be censored over something like Waze, but nobody has brought that up. I'd also make the case that the term 'laser jammer' is the largest threat to the community and that should be censored above all else. But nobody has made these cases since the whole renaming of Waze started. So I really have no idea what exactly people think they are accomplishing when they do this type of thing.

People who are doing this are missing a couple of very important points:

1.) It completely disregards the RDF search function and subsequently makes it harder for our users to find content. Our users are able to search by individual posts - Google does not and a single mention of the proper name in a thread where the renaming is rampant would supercede all attempts of trying to conceal the term.

2.) Everyone thinks that search engines are evil when it comes to RDFs content for some reason - mainly/most likely because they think that LEOs will find results and come here. This couldn't be farther from the truth. We WANT our content (only Public content is indexed by search engines, of course) indexed and properly searchable on search engines. The more our site comes up in search engines, the more control we have over information security. Topics which are not best for non-elevated areas of the forum are constantly moved to secure sections. The more people come to this forum to find information the less they go elsewhere - and elsewhere is a place we have absolutely zero control over.

RDF has existed for 8.5 years now and if there's only one thing to take away from this, it is that we have put a ridiculous amount of time into finding the best way to secure content, given that we are one forum on an internet of many, with various different sites competing with us in terms of topics discussed. I cannot begin tell you how many hours our staff has discussed the pros and cons of public and non-public information and the best way to go about dealing with and securing information. When people take security into their own hands (ie this incident) it really undermines the WHOLE strategy we've been working on this entire time.

And don't get me wrong, if people have ideas about how we can improve information security we'd love to hear them. But I can already tell you that most ideas have already been discussed and debated and weighed into the overall picture. We've had some people feel so strongly about their ideas that even after we tell them that their idea was actually implemented in the past and ended up not working as we had hoped, they STILL believe that the idea is still superior to the system currently in place. When talking about the current system in terms of security, not only have we had numerous discussions and debates on how to improve it, but we've actually arrived at this state of the system after various successes and failures of trial and error idea implementations. Almost everything on RDF is different now compared to when we first launched the forum.

If RDF was the ONLY place on the internet which discussed the topics we do here, I can almost guarantee that ALL site content would be in elevated access areas. But this is just not reality, and thus we have to do what we can to ensure that this forum is the most frequently found - so our security policies can shape the way more sensitive information is published.

I still can't wrap my head around why Waze of all things is what was chosen to self-censor...

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I probably don’t have access or don’t know how to determine how high in the Forum Bots and Search Engines can search/see.
 

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I probably don’t have access or don’t know how to determine how high in the Forum Bots and Search Engines can search/see.
I don't know what you are talking about here.

Either way, as I already said here, the only thing Google and other search engines are able to index are PUBLIC threads. All public sections are marked with a [P] in the description.
 

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I’ve been contacted and asked to not use the word Waze because google. It’s an unnecessary and counterproductive complication.
 

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I’ve been contacted and asked to not use the word Waze because google. It’s an unnecessary and counterproductive complication.
Why hide a perfectly legal discussion about the features of a free and ubiquitous app? Pointless, IMHO.

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I’ve been contacted and asked to not use the word Waze because google. It’s an unnecessary and counterproductive complication.
Lol so who is it that thinks they dictate the rules of this forum as opposed to our own staff?

I know it wasn't johnboy - he stated not to use the term only in his jbv1 section which is not a problem.

As far as an unnecessary complication goes that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of ridiculous things...

Why hide a perfectly legal discussion about the features of a free and ubiquitous app? Pointless, IMHO.

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As far as an unnecessary complication goes that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of ridiculous things...
In case it’s not clear, I’m agreeing with you. It’s my position that the use of code words or other silly obfuscations is an unnecessary complication.
 

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I rationalized it as:
Waze is popular. If average people start googling "Waze" we may get more publicity about other topics the forum discusses besides Waze.
 

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How do you downgrade? I went to the latest version and I cannot stand the auto zoom function.

With previous versions, I kept the field of view fixed at about a four mile radius so that I had wide-area situational awareness. With the latest version, the damn auto zoom zooms the view in so close, giving you such a short view of the road ahead, that you don't learn about something until you're nearly on top of it.

When you're on an interstate, it does no good to find out about a traffic jam after you've gone past the last exit that could provide a detour around it.

This one change to auto zoom has taken Waze from what used to be a pretty serious and useful aid to navigation down to that of some kind of toy.

- I apologize. I probably misspoke about that. I had seen it mentioned in older posts, but I don’t have any experience with it or know if it’s even a viable option.
( I just changed my original post). FWIW, I have the latest version of Waze ( 4.47.0.3) installed on my Android and I haven’t experience the auto zooming.
I use 3d mode zoomed out to around 2 miles forward visibility. That allows me to glance at it occasionally and see if there are any Police pins showing up. They show up way before the voice announcements do. I adjusted it once and haven’t touched it since. It stays at that zoom level. I also use mine strictly in map mode. I don’t program any routes.
Are there any other settings you can mess with to see if it helps ?
 

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we could use "ouaize" to foul the nsa ...
 

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I rationalized it as:
Waze is popular. If average people start googling "Waze" we may get more publicity about other topics the forum discusses besides Waze.
See my large post above about this very thing.

I'm really running out of ways to say this: unless a thread is in a secure area (or should be based on the guidelines we created, so people are generally good about where certain threads are placed or reporting ones that shouldn't be public) then the topic being discussed is not in any way a threat to this forum, the industry or countermeasures in general.

This whole thing is an unnecessary problem. Recently more and more people are making issues out of something that wasn't an issue to begin with.

And let's be honest, what exactly are you guys afraid of that you think you need to use code words to describe Waze? And what exactly do you think someone Googling Waze could find out about on this forum that they didn't already know about because of every best buy or Walmart in the United States? People would sooner Google Radar Detector than they would Waze if they had ill intent towards this niche of products. And I hate to break it to everyone but the fact of the matter is there are probably only a few cops who actually even care about this kind of stuff, the rest couldn't give a single fuck or already think that these products don't work. And the people who could really make a dent in this Hobby such as politicians aren't sitting at home thinking "how am I going to get these radar detector and laser Jammer users today?"

I'm sorry guys, we're just not that important. There is absolutely no need for pointless paranoia like what we're talking about right now. Just stick to the security protocols we have in place already and you and RDF will be fine. We've been doing this for over 8 years now and this whole renaming of a term like Waze hasn't been a thing until extremely recently, and that's because it's just completely unnecessary.

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FYI I googled waze and nothing from RDF shows up in the first 5 or 6 or so pages I bothered looking. A couple police pages show up complaining that they’re giving away their revenue opportunities (not like they don’t net plenty of money as it is). Searching for waze mark police RDF shows up with a thread from a couple years ago only after numerous news stories and how-to pages and YouTube videos. It’s not secret sauce, people.
 
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