Reduce Close Range Lidar Acquisition

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Me and uncle bill did some lidar testing yesterday with 1 car, vs 1 bike cop shooting truspeed sxb at 260-340ft ranges using just the valentine one to detect the lidar. So an idea hit us, how can we get this cop to shoot us a further distance? How can we take this LEO out of his normal state of mind?Hmm, EYE CANDY !!!ANYONE??. We removed the standard junk bulbs 9004, replaced them with much brighter LED bulbs at the parts store, turned on the fog lights, and bought these cute blue windshield squirter led units and turned everything on. To our surprise and this is a new discovery, the LEO was now shooting us at distances we could not even see him! Increasing our visibility(EYE CANDY) to the LEO, made us a target at a much further distance= greater jammer performance and way more time to react. So now we head up I-75, uncle in his truck, me in my vehicle vs 1 trooper marked on waze using lti 20/20 .Uncle was hit at 6/8 mile marker, running my lights, I was hit 4.5 mile markers before him. Same lane
 
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Do not, do not, do not, do not, do not, DO NOT test against LEOs. Find a forum member to shoot you guys.
 

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Do not, do not, do not, do not, do not, DO NOT test against LEOs. Find a forum member to shoot you guys.
Please read the thread again. No countermeasure was used.
 

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While using LEO for testing is forbidden (completely get that you were only receiving with the V1), this is fascinating. So by increasing your visibility you were targeted at distances up to 10x further than normal? That is food for thought.

@protias, I understand the concern. I still think there is information worth discussing though.

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While using LEO for testing is forbidden (completely get that you were only receiving with the V1), this is fascinating. So by increasing your visibility you were targeted at distances up to 10x further than normal? That is food for thought.

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Don't see how this is problematic. It's like running a few times against radar when there's a known trap and there have been more than a few instances of that members have posted.

But on topic definitely agree, it is an interesting discovery and could be useful.
 
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So now we head up I-75, uncle in his truck, me in my vehicle vs 1 trooper marked on waze using lti 20/20 .Uncle was hit at 6/8 mile marker, running my lights, I was hit 4.5 mile markers before him. Same lane
You need more flying to learn. You & Uncle Bill were not targeted at those distances, both Lidars mentioned have limited range capabilities of a few thousand feet !
The alerts received were just long range scatter from the LEO trying to get vehicles ahead of you & Uncle Bill.
 

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Very interesting. Kind of the opposite of stealth. “Notice me” far away and think I’m a ricer so I have plenty of time to react.
 

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Knowing a LEO is in a location based on Waze and the going to the location to see if they target you is NOT collaborating with LEO's for testing...I see no problem with this.

This is like running a fake front plate in areas where a front plate is not required (like here in Michigan) to give a "target area" as a decoy, I believe in some cases it may be effective. Interesting concept...not sure how effective in many cases, but interesting!
 

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In my point of view it is far from collaboration , it is rather studying the cop's behavior and trying to determine
which factor influences his choice ....it is a perception test ....guinea pig without his consent :laugh:
 

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Please read the thread again. No countermeasure was used.
So you want to be remembered by the cop?

Here is food for thought, I had a very memorable car (those who have seen it can attest), but I would never run passed the same cop on purpose. I much prefer to fly under the radar and only been seen once.

Cop may pull you over because you have a light on your car. He may pull you over for being "suspicious" by driving by him several times. He may pull you over for a thousand other reasons he can make up.
 

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So you want to be remembered by the cop?

Here is food for thought, I had a very memorable car (those who have seen it can attest), but I would never run passed the same cop on purpose. I much prefer to fly under the radar and only been seen once.

Cop may pull you over because you have a light on your car. He may pull you over for being "suspicious" by driving by him several times. He may pull you over for a thousand other reasons he can make up.
My daily driver has no countermeasures. The cop will never remember me. And the lidar he used lti 20/20 could be another gun but has a VERY LONG RANGE, as I was hit before with it. It may be a newer one or just the terrain is open and flat. We communicated our landmarks using cellular phone service Bluetooth technology to gather this information in case the Leo was running a scanner.
 

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What was the distance difference?
 

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So say this works, being eye candy increases Lidar jamming ability because you get shot from farther distances. Under the same idea you’re going to get targeted more for selective instant on.
Instant ON radar is easily sniffed out by my R3, every single time its been attempted against me, its failed. Now if your the only single car on the road and the LEO is hidden, you may get instant on. Nothing can stop this. Waze might help somewhat, depends, they get tricky sometimes. In fact, I watched a trooper instantly leave his area when he was marked on waze. Did not wait one second.
 

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