Why do we treat politicians like crap until they're dead?

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  1. angrypenguin

    angrypenguin Eat Lead Mothertrucker!! Advanced User Premium Member

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    As per the subject.

    I guess it didn't really hit home for me until I watched Jim Flaherty's (Canada's former/late Finance Minister) funeral again tonight. A series of thoughts entered my head and I'm struggling to process them. Stephen Harper (the former Canadian Conservative Prime Minister) is pretty much an unpopular/hated PM who I deeply respect and owe all of my political passions to and why I will vote Conservative until the day I die.

    Those thoughts then made me think - wow, Americans mostly love crapping on Trump. Ok - sure, I can see why, but then I remembered Bush 43. Hell, I still remember the constant Bush bashing. Now, I (and I'm sure others) have a much different view of Bush 43. It is said during the Reagan/Bush 41/Clinton days that all 3 Presidents were also crapped on by everyone.

    So my question is - what is it about our society that makes it OK and encourages each other to crap on politicians when they just try to do the best they can for our country. We then remember only the good and not the bad once they die. Maybe we can all be a little more grateful when they are living?

    I thought this one though. This is not the political forum on RDF, but I feel safe in saying that I can't imagine a day in the future when Trump will be remembered as a good President. Will it happen? I don't know, and for the purposes of this thread, I don't think any of us should share our opinions on this, but I guess I'm thinking of Bush 43 back in the day, people didn't like him very much, and now here we are.

    I think Obama will be remembered well, although even then, the Right hated him. Now, the left hates Trump....I mean, Bush 43 approval numbers are up higher than it was ever when he was in office.

    What's up with this weird virtuous cycle?!
     
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    Bossdad71 Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    That's some good points. All of a sudden people lay aside their hate when someone dies.
     
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    TheSkyIsFalling Learning to Fly Beginner User

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    I think politicians get a bad rap because as people remember and bring up what they hate about what the politician is doing

    But once they are dead. Ppl think about the human side

    Here in Alberta. It’s pretty much conservation land for federal elections.

    Justin Trudeau. Endorsed the trans mountain pipeline. Then put up federal money to buy it to ensure it goes thru.

    Sohi is from Edmonton. He has pledged money for an underpass or overpass for 50st railroad crossing to alleviate crazy wait times. Pledged money to make the yellowhead free of lights

    Liberals pledged big money for the failed cgy Winter Olympics

    But none of those things get talked about

    Ppl here talk about how anti oil Trudeau is, how he gave 10M to kadar, how he ballooned the federal deficit or how he pledge 50M in foreign aid instead of helping Canada. Etc
     
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  4. hammerdown

    hammerdown No half measures.... Advanced User

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    I think it depends on how much hate a president garners in his term(s) and how much of his terms folks remember, and if they remember good or bad. Bush 41? I rank 7 out of 10. He was mostly good, handled a war decently, but he was full of crap with that "read my lips, no new taxes" line. That burnt a lot of folks and paved the way for Clinton in '92, IMHO.

    We can find good / bad with all of them, when they die, they will be remembered mostly for the good, less for thier ****ups.

    Reagan? He had that whole Iran Contra thing... but he did a lot of good on russian relations and of course the wall.... Reagan is one of my favorites.

    I liked Bush 43. A lot of folks dont, and im not saying he was all good, but i dont regret my votes for him. Im not 100% in agreement with his war direction,but af least he responded to the 9/11 attacks.

    Clinton? Lets see, what did he do good? :unsure: damn, im drawing a blank here... :unsure:

    Obama? You know, I really did want to like him a lot. If he would have toned down the anti gun rhetoric .... maybe i would have saw some more good. He handled the recession decently. I dont agree with all his programs, but he did try.

    Trump? Its hard to see love for him 20 years or whatever from now. He is his own worst enemy when it comes to being likable. If it keeps, folks should at least recognize him for defusing the NK fiasco... we'll have to see if it sticks.

    Trumps biggest issue with being successful as potus, is failing to recognize and know how to treat and use the media. Our most successful presidents, like Kennedy, FDR, Reagan knew how to use the media and gain thier respect.

    FDR, media had so much respect for him that photographers respected his request to no photo or video of him getting in his car or getting to a standing position. The public had no idea the poor guy could barely stand and was wheelchair confined. Now thats respect! Trump wouldnt get that kind of respect if he pleaded on his hands and knees for it.
     
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    Trump is not a politician. That is the difference :)
     
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    Well my lil frozen friend.....Americans dont hate Trump....the media does.
     
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    The dead ones are more tolerable, so that's why people stop hating them.
     
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    AP - I would say that it mostly revolves around the fact that these swamp creatures rarely do what they campaign on.

    Sarge is spot imo. The people in power won't give it up willingly so sometimes you just have to kick them in the mangina and take it.
     
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    Eh, depending on what your definition of politician is... Ronald Reagan really wasnt either... Other than being potus, he was governor of California for a while....most like him. The difference was Reagan was very likable....lol.

    The media? Well what they do to the president depends on what their agenda is at the time, and if the president is good or bad for said agenda.

    They went from loving FDR to hating on him because he wasn't good for thier agenda at the time.
     
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    A lot of distaste for him in Houston.
     
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    Whatever your thoughts are on various Presidents, sitting or former, I think it's safe to say that they all look exhausted. Just staring at them all in the front row, they all look like they've been to hell and back.

    The pension is nice, sure, but man...they age quick in the White House.
     
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    "So my question is - what is it about our society that makes it OK and encourages each other to crap on politicians when they just try to do the best they can for our country. We then remember only the good and not the bad once they die."

    - It's not just politicians that get treated like that. It seems like it's some kind of human nature. Haters be hating.

    - Ah, Cinderella. Other than Stevie Nicks, arguably one of the worst vocalists to ever receive a contract. No offense.
    I actually like Cinderella (Hate Stevie. Irony of Hater post above noted). I was listening to Nights Songs and Nobodys Fool just the other day when they came on the radio.
     
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    benzr Been there done that !! Original V1 user !! Advanced User

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    The media never respected Reagan ... that is until he was dead. Said he was just a stupid actor. Had no clue on affairs of the state, etc etc. Sound familiar?

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    Yup. And of course they touted him as the most under qualified potus too... ;)
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2018, Original Post Date: Dec 5, 2018 ---
    Yeah, but ya'll have a lot of distaste for Cruz too, dont you? I think it was really hard for you Texans to get behind any presidential candidate this last time... lol
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    I think its just human nature for us all to be critical a******'s of each other. :mmmhmm:
     
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    I get tehDaily Mail feed all day and Trump (allegedly) left the funeral as soon as service was done and before the casket was placed in hearse. I thought NO big deal, BUT the media is having a field day with this as if he didnt care or disrespected GHWB because of it. I believe its because he has pressing mattersof state and also security reasons to get him out of there before the crowd.
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    Thats because you guys are turning into Yankees like Austin did. Most of the people I see who move south, and there are many, are either going to FL (now purple state), TX (getting purple) and AZ (purple too). The large majority of your population in the next 5-10 years will NOT have been born in TX, so that's dramatically affecting voter decisions. So, you're getting the liberal Dems from Illinois or Michigan or Wisconsin and Minnesota. The east coast tens to move to FL and midwestto FL, TX or AZ. CA is no longer a much desired retirement state and they also tax retirement income.
     
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    Offense taken. Stevie is one of the most prolific writers (singer songwriter of the last 40 years!!!). I've met here personally several times and yes, she is short in person, but tall in personality. Its said that on the Dixie Chicks Landslide alone she made over $5 million in song rights.

    If you're looking for great female singers, then look no further than Karen Carpenter. Mellifluous voice and her brother is a helluva songwriter. You'll never see the likes of them again.
     
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    Houston's redder than any other "major" city in the state but barely. Cruz rubbed some people the wrong way because he seemed like he plays games with the government. However he's a GenExer and we all kind of get that rap. I like him better than Trump but that's only because I'm a regional racist.
    Karen Carpenter is one of Crissy Hines favorite singers. She said they're both contralos which apparently is relatively rare in pop music.
     
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    Agreed, we're getting a ton of Californians moving here. We call them "tax refugees" but then the fist thing the do when they get here is wine about a lack of public transportation, quality air, water and social services. Very frustrating because that's what makes Houston great. It does't care about anything. I imagine with the wildfires we'll see more.
     
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    angrypenguin Eat Lead Mothertrucker!! Advanced User Premium Member

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    Can we please stick to the topic at hand?
     
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