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Hi there,not much to do with actual Radar detectors but has anyone has experience with throttle body that plugs into the accelerator to help with bottom end acceleration.
Also has 3 program, ranging from race,sport & economy.
I'm thinking of trying this device out as is relatively inexpensive but don't want the risk of running my car leaner & the possibility of burning a hole in top of piston.
Any advice particularly from V8 owners Would be favourable as I drive a Ford 5.4l
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Huh?

You are going to have to elaborate a little. I mean, a throttle body already connects to the accelerator, either by cable or via electronics (drive by wire). How does the doohickey you are describing install and purport to work?

I see you are in NZ and I'm not sure of the laws pertaining to vehicle modifications there work, but on a drive by wire car, which yours appears to be if the picture if of your car, the ECM can usually be reprogrammed to change accelerator ramp if you want it to open faster or slower vs. your pedal position.

If you are talking about replacing your entire throttle body, I probably wouldn't bother. You shouldn't gain anything on a bigger throttle body without other supporting modifications and getting a tune, which if legal is going to net you more all by it's lonesome.
 
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Huh?

You are going to have to elaborate a little. I mean, a throttle body already connects to the accelerator, either by cable or via electronics (drive by wire). How does the doohickey you are describing install and purport to work?

I see you are in NZ and I'm not sure of the laws pertaining to vehicle modifications there work, but on a drive by wire car, which yours appears to be if the picture if of your car, the ECM can usually be reprogrammed to change accelerator ramp if you want it to open faster or slower vs. your pedal position.

If you are talking about replacing your entire throttle body, I probably wouldn't bother. You shouldn't gain anything on a bigger throttle body without other supporting modifications and getting a tune, which if legal is going to net you more all by it's lonesome.
Hello ObeerWANKenobi son.
You might be able to access Trademe in the United States,if you can search listing #1859874917 & it's called a throttle controller.
On the Ford under the hood where the air intake conects to main intake, that metal thing is also throttle body but just saying as that's got nothing to do with my thread,as this plugs into accelerator.
Another possibility is to Google Mace engineering group, could possibly find it that way.
Sometimes I think you fellas on chat box got nothing better else to do than Google stuff lol
 

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Huh?

You are going to have to elaborate a little. I mean, a throttle body already connects to the accelerator, either by cable or via electronics (drive by wire). How does the doohickey you are describing install and purport to work?

I see you are in NZ and I'm not sure of the laws pertaining to vehicle modifications there work, but on a drive by wire car, which yours appears to be if the picture if of your car, the ECM can usually be reprogrammed to change accelerator ramp if you want it to open faster or slower vs. your pedal position.

If you are talking about replacing your entire throttle body, I probably wouldn't bother. You shouldn't gain anything on a bigger throttle body without other supporting modifications and getting a tune, which if legal is going to net you more all by it's lonesome.
This particular doohickey eliminates the delay that exist between throttle pedal and the butterfly in the throttle re-establishing throttle response & bottom end acceleration
In addition to sharper throttle response our controllers , also have couple modes which further have a number of stages to select from to either increase or decrease intensity.
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The price of the doohickey is relatively cheap $210NZD **** all USD.
There's another thing called SCT X tuner that's probably available in the USA but cost more,like 800nzd.
Car already has ****loads of power but you know how it is eh
 

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I can't speak as to your particular vehicle but I had looked into one for my Camaro. Several guys on the Camaro forum had installed them and most ended up taking them off and selling or trashing. The number one complaint was Check Engine Lights and ECM codes.

If you do get one to play with, most (if not all) of the codes were resolved by removing the device and resetting the ECM.

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I can't speak as to your particular vehicle but I had looked into one for my Camaro. Several guys on the Camaro forum had installed them and most ended up taking them off and selling or trashing. The number one complaint was Check Engine Lights and ECM codes.

If you do get one to play with, most (if not all) of the codes were resolved by removing the device and resetting the ECM.

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Thankyou,I ask the supplier about that
 

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Don't screw with it. That's a poor man's tuner.

What that device is trying to do is accelerate the tip-in throttle response by messing with the percent curve on your throttle drive by wire system.

In layman's terms is trying to trick the computer into thinking that when you've only depressed the accelerator 12%, the vehicles ECM thinks you've pressed it 25%.

The problem is it only effects the throttle position sensor, so the ECM sees a TPS reading that doesn't jive with engine rpm, O2 sensor, and fuel trim data and it either compensates for the incorrect data which renders the device useless, or it throws a code thinking the TPS is bad.

A dedicated device like the SCT tuner, an HP tuner or a Diablo Trinity can do what you are trying to accomplish the right way without being a cheap hack.
 

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Do you have people with HPTuners or EFI live around your area that will adjust this for a fee? I'm pretty certain I could adjust this with my HPTuners suite. They'd probably only charge you the licensing fee and a few bucks to make changes to the table that changes the delay.

If this is illegal or makes your vehicle noncompliant for emissions, I can understand why you'd want the device in the listing but here, adjusting something like this in the computer would usually not cause the vehicle to fail emissions. You'd have to get deeper into the parameters to do that.
 

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Don't screw with it. That's a poor man's tuner.

What that device is trying to do is accelerate the tip-in throttle response by messing with the percent curve on your throttle drive by wire system.

In layman's terms is trying to trick the computer into thinking that when you've only depressed the accelerator 12%, the vehicles ECM thinks you've pressed it 25%.

The problem is it only effects the throttle position sensor, so the ECM sees a TPS reading that doesn't jive with engine rpm, O2 sensor, and fuel trim data and it either compensates for the incorrect data which renders the device useless, or it throws a code thinking the TPS is bad.

A dedicated device like the SCT tuner, an HP tuner or a Diablo Trinity can do what you are trying to accomplish the right way without being a cheap hack.
Thankyou ,really appreciate your advice.I asked the supplier & wasn't happy with the reply.
It's true what they say about you get what you pay for in regards to quality.
I had the car dyno tuned about 12mths ago when I had the headers fitted,& was expecting extra kilowatts, went from 290kw to 312kw,was maybe expecting 325.Was still happy though as the car's a real weapon.
Dyno tuners aren't easily accessible in New Zealand, mainly in the capital city's such as Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch & Dunedin.
I'm going to Christchurch in February & thought about the SCT tuner & re dyno tuned but probably looking at $1300 NZD
 

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Check with the guy that Dyno tuned your car. He probably already licensed your ECM so might not charge you much to adjust your throttle delay.
 

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Do you have people with HPTuners or EFI live around your area that will adjust this for a fee? I'm pretty certain I could adjust this with my HPTuners suite. They'd probably only charge you the licensing fee and a few bucks to make changes to the table that changes the delay.

If this is illegal or makes your vehicle noncompliant for emissions, I can understand why you'd want the device in the listing but here, adjusting something like this in the computer would usually not cause the vehicle to fail emissions. You'd have to get deeper into the parameters to do that.
I think the bloke that dyno tuned it 12mths ago used HP tuner map type thing.
I see SCT has a new X4 tune out, that could be the go as read something about can adjust for towing,as the missus & I live in a Caravan & occasionally move.Been parked up for last two yrs though in same spot
 

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I will recommend against that device. Looking from the diagram, I'm assuming it's taking over some signals. Even IF it doesn't set a check engine light, there's so many things modern ecus look at and a unit for $200 probably has not accounted for. Last thing you want is to lean out your engine due to different commanded throttle position than what the ecu requested.

Any tuner worth a damn can change your throttle curve and map to make it more responsive on low end.

My charger has a very good tune on it and one of first things that was done was to change that throttle curve as well as make it puncher low end. It's not done like that because of economy reasons but the potential is there, especially in an engine like yours.

Tldr, get a proper tune instead of this box. You'll be much happier and your engine wi be safer.
 

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I used a Sprintbooster on my RAV4 V6
 

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These just change throttle curve to make it feel more immediate. Much like how modern sports cars have various modes, one of the things they will change is throttle curve, so you get the placebo that the car has more instant response.

Just a placebo.
 

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I disagree it's a placebo. Some cars really do have an inordinate amount of delay programmed in, whether it's for economy or to keep people with poor muscle coordination from making other people carsick. LOL
 

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I disagree it's a placebo. Some cars really do have an inordinate amount of delay programmed in, whether it's for economy or to keep people with poor muscle coordination from making other people carsick. LOL
There are much better ways to fix those problems than with fooling sensors. Sprint boosters and Piggy backs are for those ECUs which have not had their encryption cracked as of yet and they rarely work perfectly.
 

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Well yeah, that's why I'm in favor of tuning it and not using said device. I have HPTuners and do this stuff myself.
 

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Well yeah, that's why I'm in favor of tuning it and not using said device. I have HPTuners and do this stuff myself.
If the car was done with HP tuner is there anything stopping me re-mapping with SCT X4.
Lots of tuning shops over here do alot of work on LS1/LS3 motors etc that are installed in Holden/HSV vehicles manufactured in Australia.
Modifying Ford V8 is done but not as common as LS1/LS3 motors etc that seem easier to get more power out of.
Referring to taking it back to original bloke that tuned with HP.There's a ditch of water between us called Cook strait, North & South island & I think he keeped it tame as I mentioned at the time I towed with the vehicle
Thanks for going on Trademe also & looking at the device

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I will recommend against that device. Looking from the diagram, I'm assuming it's taking over some signals. Even IF it doesn't set a check engine light, there's so many things modern ecus look at and a unit for $200 probably has not accounted for. Last thing you want is to lean out your engine due to different commanded throttle position than what the ecu requested.

Any tuner worth a damn can change your throttle curve and map to make it more responsive on low end.

My charger has a very good tune on it and one of first things that was done was to change that throttle curve as well as make it puncher low end. It's not done like that because of economy reasons but the potential is there, especially in an engine like yours.

Tldr, get a proper tune instead of this box. You'll be much happier and your engine wi be safer.
Thankyou for your opinion Yandreev3, appreciate it alot
 

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Hi there,not much to do with actual Radar detectors but has anyone has experience with throttle body that plugs into the accelerator to help with bottom end acceleration.
Also has 3 program, ranging from race,sport & economy.
I'm thinking of trying this device out as is relatively inexpensive but don't want the risk of running my car leaner & the possibility of burning a hole in top of piston.
Any advice particularly from V8 owners Would be favourable as I drive a Ford 5.4lView attachment 93905
I'm late to game here, BUT perhaps you're talking about a "Sprint Booster." On the MB forums, we've been arguing for years about their effectiveness. I had(ve) one on each of my cars and theydo help throttel repsonse "feeL." Do they actually give you better throttle response so that teh car is quicker. NOT really. They just require less effort for you to push the accelerator. Mercedes are well known to have lazy first few inches of throttel travel and the SprintBooster does cure that. I had the old non-adjustable in one car I had and it was great. Now, I have the adjustable one, Normal, Advanced and RACE and Race makes it too sensitive to throttle imputs. I run the seoncd one, I'll call advanced.

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I disagree it's a placebo. Some cars really do have an inordinate amount of delay programmed in, whether it's for economy or to keep people with poor muscle coordination from making other people carsick. LOL
Thats why the wife's Lexus has 2nd gear start (they call it Snow Start).....
 

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Don't screw with it. That's a poor man's tuner.

What that device is trying to do is accelerate the tip-in throttle response by messing with the percent curve on your throttle drive by wire system.

In layman's terms is trying to trick the computer into thinking that when you've only depressed the accelerator 12%, the vehicles ECM thinks you've pressed it 25%.

The problem is it only effects the throttle position sensor, so the ECM sees a TPS reading that doesn't jive with engine rpm, O2 sensor, and fuel trim data and it either compensates for the incorrect data which renders the device useless, or it throws a code thinking the TPS is bad.

A dedicated device like the SCT tuner, an HP tuner or a Diablo Trinity can do what you are trying to accomplish the right way without being a cheap hack.
Ouch !!

Check engine codes Galore !!!

But it makes total sense though.

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