If you decide to own a jammer and get pulled over

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If you decide to own a jammer and get pulled over

Main things to convey here are:

1) Using your Jammers correctly to avoid situations making LEO's suspicious. (JTK = Jam to Kill in seconds!)
2) If Leo's recognize sensors on your vehicle, never admit what they are. (Even if you were stopped for something not speed related)
3) Always have a way to immediately power down your system in case the LEO's suspect them of being Jammers and want to fire at them.
4) Always remain calm and polite to not escalate the situation.


You're required to give cops necessary info/documents, but there is no need to mistakenly incriminate your self. The below videos give a good idea of what a LEO will try to do and what your rights are (5th amendment).

I have found being friendly & honest (within reason) without giving too much information provides the officer a level of comfort and just enough protection for your self during a stop. Also don't forget the power of asking the officer a question to avoid a difficult question directed at you, all people like to give advice or feel helpful, including cops. Don't be nervous, the officer is just doing his job.

However in this day and age we have seen incidence's where the LEO's don't know the full law and they may think jammers are illegal in there state assuming its a radar jammer when its not. You have every right to not answer there questions, especially when its clear they are fishing for you to incriminate your self.

(its also good to note that if jammers are illegal in your state limit the public information you post about. like pictures of your car, install locations, incidence when you were pulled over and any identifying info. Keep them in protected sections)

For example of a pull over:

Officer: Do you know why I pulled you over?
You: No (the answer is always no, you have no idea why they pulled you over, don't speculate)
Officer: I pulled you over because of xyz.
You: Oh......
------------------------------------------- OFFICER fishing starts here. Don't answer questions.
Officer: What are those things on the front of your car?
You: What things?
Officer: The sensor looking things.
You: IDK probably my parking sensors
Officer: You didn't answer the question.
You: Parking Sensors
You: What was your name officer, for my records?
Officer: Can I see that (points to RD) (I've never seen them ask for the RD and apparently VA doesn't take it anymore either)
You: No, you may not. May I have my citation for tint and be on my way?
Officer: No you can't go.
-------------------------------------------This is the next level after fishing. Let them know that you understand your rights here and they may let you go to avoid further annoyance. You: "I don't answer questions."
You: AM I being detained??
Officer: Blah blah (doesn't matter at this point)
You: Am I free to go?

Technically, ON a traffic stop, unlike a Terry-Stop*, you are ONLY required to do one thing: Give your license, proof of insurance and in some states, particularly if out of state, Registration. That's IT. Nothing more, nothing less. If asked to get out of car, you must. Don't argue the point. BUT, continue to keep your mouth shut and don't say another word. All of your personal information is on the license , so if they ask where you're going, what you're doing or where you're coming from , the standard reply is "I don't answer questions." Stop at that point and do NOT argue or try to make your point or any points . It then becomes a roadside trial and/or debate and you'll always lose. Once the officer is done, typically 10 minutes or so, just go on your way. By the way, signing a ticket is NOT nor has it ever been an admission of guilt. Its only an acknowledgement of receipt. The less fuss you make, the less likely the LEO will remember you as well.

*(A Terry stop in the United States allows the police to briefly detain a person based on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity. )


For those that are interested in more detail \/:

Part 1:

Part 2:

The law professor, James Duane, also outlined how to Invoke the Fifth Amendment and in an article wrote the statement:

"On the advice of my lawyer, I respectfully decline to answer on the basis of the Fifth Amendment, which—according to the United States Supreme Court—protects everyone,even innocent people, from the need to answer questions if the truth might be used to help create the misleading impression that they were somehow involved in a crime that they did not commit."

That is a perfectly accurate statement of perhaps the most important function served by the Fifth Amendment. But how different it sounds from the countless witnesses who are advised by their lawyers to recite that they cannot tell the truth without “incriminating” themselves!​

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Note: Nothing I say is legal advice or exact recommendations that will necessarily help, just my opinion. Every scenario/cop is different and if your stupid about it nothing can save you. Be smart, be respectful and drive safe!
 
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1) Using your Jammers correctly to avoid situations making LEO's suspicious.
Very good post ...so we return to basic , even with old timers :

KILL Kil kill within reasonnable seconds ....this will avoid obligation to succeed the interrogation...better a lower speed ticket than fine + seizure.

I-hara is making disciples.
 

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Very good post ...so we return to basic , even with old timers :

KILL Kil kill within reasonnable seconds ....this will avoid obligation to succeed the interrogation...better a lower speed ticket than fine + seizure.

I-hara is making disciples.
I/H/A/R/A can't see the front of your car in traffic at 70 MPH either. JTK.............Don't give him a reason
 

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Great info! Maybe pin this thread?
I meant to and forgot. Thanks for the reminder!

And thank you all that helped put this together. Knowledge sharing is a community effort!

I suggest every member buying a jammer read this, so link away!
 

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Great idea for a sticky post!

Some of that looks familiar.....;):D
 

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ive had some interesting encounters with NY leo. Mainly the highway patrol division have radar/laser but most leos dont. Ive been pulled over by unmarked detectives and i tell them they are cheap parking sensors for parking garages.

troopers have never asked me anything. i really do like this post. One very important things is to be polite and don’t give the leo anything negative to remember.

I do have one question. would switching my ALP to parking mode only, qualify as disabling the jammer or do you recommend a kill switch?
 

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ive had some interesting encounters with NY leo. Mainly the highway patrol division have radar/laser but most leos dont. Ive been pulled over by unmarked detectives and i tell them they are cheap parking sensors for parking garages.

troopers have never asked me anything. i really do like this post. One very important things is to be polite and don’t give the leo anything negative to remember.

I do have one question. would switching my ALP to parking mode only, qualify as disabling the jammer or do you recommend a kill switch?
I always have the parking feature enabled to help with my garage parking. It can also prove they are parking sensors because that's what they are too.

A kill switch can be helpful as well, but powering down the ALP via key pad would be similar. Like everything else CM related, layers of protection is always good!
 
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It may not go according to plan. One time I was pulled over for forgetting to put my new tags on. I was so startled that I forgot to get the second USB stick and put the ALPs into parking mode only. In fact, the ALPs were still in defense mode when the LEO reached my window. When he went back to check my license, I quickly pushed the button and changed the ALPs to parking sensor mode (not as good as doing it with the USB stick, because it can be quickly changed back). It turned out that he did not even ask about the ALPs and just reminded me to put the updated tags on, and let me leave.

I'm pretty good at JTK by muscle memory but sometimes, things don't go the way you think they will when you are startled and pulled over on the side of the road, so it's good to have a backup plan, and to rehearse this stuff every so often.
 

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so it's good to have a backup plan
Tell me , this was returning home after a long trip , so i felt tired and let my wife drive ...
on a 2 lanes highways in construction zone the cop shot the car @ 400' ...in panic i shouted to my wife '' push push the button '' ...
But which which one said my dear , there are so many in this car !
We finally jtg the cop who did'nt bat an eyelid :angel:

Lesson taken i installed a 3 rd switch in series on passengar side .

This was 5 years ago ....wonder if leos now learned ?
 

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The only problem with this is once you start defaulting to your rights and doing this you suddenly become very memorable, and very fast.
Especially when you are white and tell the officer: "am I being pulled over because I am black?" The reverse Terry Crews "White Chicks" move.
 

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The only problem with this is once you start defaulting to your rights and doing this you suddenly become very memorable, and very fast.
If the cop is asking what those things on your car are, you are already memorable. Don't make things worse by opening your mouth.

What I would do is then explain why I'm not talking: "Ever hear of Professor James Duane? He has a viral video, and he says not to talk to police. It's not anything against you personally, it's just that I don't talk to cops on James Duane's advice."
 
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[QUOTE="STS134, post: 1165020, member: 6688"
What I would do is then explain why I'm not talking: "Ever hear of Professor James Duane? He has a viral video, and he says not to talk to police. It's not anything against you personally, it's just that I don't talk to cops on James Duane's advice."[/QUOTE]

I believe the second video in this thread is Professor Duane.
 

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Something goes wrong.... hammer gets stopped...

Hammer: (having hit the secret switch while pulling over) yes, sir?

Cop: I couldnt get a speed read on your suv for a few seconds ... I noticed something on the front of your suv, what is it?

Hammer: say what? What's on the front of my suv? :confused:

Cop: (walking around to front) those black deals I saw when you went by, right he..r. ..e..... :confused: .... um...uh..:confused:.. ... hmmm.... :unsure:

Hammer: what deals?

Cop: nevermind. :what:

Hammer: :D
 
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