CR95 test results are mixed.

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  1. Bossdad71

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    now I'm going to try and explain this in monkey terms. The two people that explained it to me were/ are very smart, and as hard as I tried to take notes it was a bit over my head.

    Whistler kind of takes the stand point of "alert the driver" while "we" take a look at a second or third set of prints. I was told v1 did or still has a J?? feature that went of on KA but then flashed J to say after a second look it was not a KA signal. Some of the hard core v1 guys/gals can probably explain that better @CJR238 or @benzr i belive are the v1 guroos.

    So the whistler 97 at least scans k band, 35.5, and 33.8 in one sweep, since 34.7 in a more common gun, from what i understand, it kind of sits off to its self. So back to my point, as the whistler is scanning it sees something that might look like a KA signal, it alerts, looks at the next frame, and adjust it's alerts by flashing ####. As the signal changes that's why it goes back and forth at times.
    Mike said he doesn't run with FDSR on unless he wants more information, he said it (the detector) can get a little on the chatty side with it on.
    The more filters a person puts on, the more frames the whistler takes time to look at, which can delay a signal. Without getting too far off topic, I was told escort for example takes a different stand point, they will hold a signal the extra time to analyze it, to keep a quite detector, but an I/O shot could punch thru.
    I hope this makes some kind of sense, if it doesnt, i will go back and try to be more specific with my questions, and take better notes.
     
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    That is good news. I have had mine on K filter 4 for the last 2 days, and it does seem quieter...
     
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    Great job explaining all that Monkey! I had most of that sorta figured out except the part about 34.7 being scanned separately. Even though I really like the premise or FDSR, it does make it VERY noisy, and it never rests! It is doing something every second the detector is on!
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 30, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 30, 2018 ---
    I don’t know if you have read all of my threads on this, but I have K filter set to 1, TFSR is on, FDSR is off, Ka filter is off,pop is also off, I have Ka set to Ka max id, Quiet ride auto mute set to 35 mph, Quiet ride low speed filter is off. I’d be afraid to run K band filter on 4 if there is any chance you could get hit with any K band I/O or Q/T!
     
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    That makes a lot of sense now, so thank you for sharing! It is the kind of info I would expect the manufacturer to post for their product, so eventual customers can really get the idea of what they are getting and how it works under the hood. I do not have a problem to turn FDSR off, but I would like to find out one more thing about it, if possible please:

    Does it make any difference at all on Ka band detection performance if the FDSR is on or off?

    I understand that when FDSR alerts you with #### basically means the detector is being interfered with and may not work at its best, possibly miss a legit signal. But when it is off, my understanding is that it still does its thing, just not alerting you with ####. So if it is off, would we still eventually get false 35.5 or 33.8 alerts that are due to K #### BSM/CAS alert and the detector is alternating those on the background?
     
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    You have a very good point on the K filter. I must admit I have been focused too much on this FDSR situation and wanted to see if keeping it ON and increasing the K filter will calm down the K falses... But you are absolutely correct about the risk of K I/O. I don't believe we have those in my area, but it is sill a double-edge sword. If we get confirmation that FDSR does not make a difference in performance whether On or OFF, I would definitely match your settings. As of now, the only 2 differences I have compared to your settings is FDSR on and K filter 4. Everything else is exactly the same.
     
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    It shouldn’t affect Ka band, but it does! If you watch my video with my 95 awhile back, it got a 35.5 alert at just under 4 miles from the source and dropped the alert and changed it over to FDSR on the screen for the last 2 miles all the way back to the test car! We ran the test about a week later and it worked perfect with FDSR on or off and got it again from 4 miles away after a factory reset! I’m not willing to trust it just yet on FDSR however till we hear some more about it from whistler.
     
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    i dont think the #### means it's being interfiered with, it means it picked up a FMCW signal which are the redlight and speed cameras that are located ummm i want to say new york city, i cant remember the other places.

    In theory having it on should not affect KA range, I know @Kennyc56 felt like it did, and I havent had the time to really put that theory to the test. There was one instance that a person had k turned off, but still got an initial k band but went to KA. There again it was the first look at the glance at the signal that "looked" like a k band but turned out to be KA.

    I think whistler is trying to step up it's game, and i think once the patent runs out and they get the lockouts, and mayb find a way to tone down the k/ka break dance, it will be more of a competitor in the 250-300 range.
    I would like to do some more I/O testing with it, but it's hard by myself, and unlike lucky @Jag42 I dont have a @Mermaid129 that likes to help. pffft some guys have all the luck lol

    I would like to see the intructions could be a little more informational, and larger, but Unidens are the same way, unless a person goes on the website and downloads it.
     
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    I understand how you feel about more testing and not having help. I will probably do some aimless driving around these days just to see if I can face some I/O encounters...
    And I agree that Whistler is trying to step forward. This unit seems to be better, just that it has new features, and they sound great in theory, and as any new technology will need some fine tuning to make it solid.
     
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    I think these new Whistlers need to be calmed down just a touch like @Bossdad71 said. They are at least 2 times more sensitive than the older model Whistlers! They can even rival my Redline and R1 on straight up encounters! On off axis however, my R1 is out of it’s damn mind! I think that if Whistler will take a little time and fine tune the CR95 and 97 they will have 2 killers at this price range, I feel totally protected from anything that can be thrown at me! The Ka band K confusion needs to be fixed or they won’t ever be taken seriously by all the critics who are always looking for something to complain about!
     
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    I don't have my glasses on thought that said critters lol
     
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    I am sure we will sort it all out and help the manufacturer make this product even better.

    Again, thank you guys for helping out and providing your input on the CR97/CR95. I can tell that now I have much better understanding of its features and functionality, and I am excited to go do some testing this weekend.

    I will now call it a night, so you all have a great evening!
     
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    Well, that is just ridiculous. I drove over 100 miles this past Saturday, and almost 100 miles today (not one trip, but rather 3 separate small trips during the day) and I did NOT have a single encounter with a stationary police vehicle, so I can eventually test the long range detection. I did have one LEO driving ahead and he pulled someone over in few miles, but he joined the highway from a ramp just as I was approaching it , and my CR97 picked up the signal before his/her car was visible (still above and behind an overpass from my line of sight). I had several LEOs driving opposite direction from time to time, and several detections on 34.7 and couple on 33.8 (low signal strength, max of 3-4) , but never saw them. Those all happened close to various exits along the highways I did drive onto.
    Here's the kicker: today I went to lunch with my co-workers, and did ride in another car. Within the time to go to the restaurant and back (not more than 10-12 miles total) I saw 5 police vehicles! I wished we went in my car for lunch...

    One thing for sure - I matched @Kennyc56 settings (K filer 1, Ka 0, FDSr OFF), and my unit has been pretty quiet. I like it a lot. I just hope it does not miss to alert for legit signals with the current settings...
     
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    I Haven’t missed anything yet I’ll tell you that! I also have TSFR on. This is the way I had it set up when I tried getting Q/T shots passed It! I couldn’t get even one shot of 35.5 by it! When we get home I’m going to bang some K band Q/T at it and see if there is a delay with this setup.
     
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    Sounds good, I am looking forward for such results.
     
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    Hi, all. This is what I got from Whistler Support via e-mails:

    1. My questions:
    I'd like to find out if there are any bugs or issues reported, and I would like to submit a request for troubleshooting the FDSr #### and Ka ID false detection. Also, I would like to find out what is the typical detection range on this unit?

    Answer:
    "Martin,

    Thank you for your questions. We are always looking to make improvements both in hardware as well as software. I am working on a few tweaks as we speak. To become aware of these updates when they happen I believe you can subscribe to receive notifications from our website.
    We will also inform Radarbusters when new FW is released so they can notify their customers.

    The FDSR ### feature is a tool we use to gather information. It has always been there in several models as a hidden feature however Radarbusters felt is was worth taking it our of the shadows for users to have available should it prove useful to them.

    Typical detection range varies depending on the output power of the radar being used as well as the terrain. I can easily get over 9 miles if the conditions are right. Here in New England I have no straight roads greater than 1/2 a mile so this drastically reduces my distance to just over 1/2 mile at best.

    I have had some customers in the mid west report typical encounters of 4 to 5 miles.

    I hope this answers some of your questions however if there is anything else we can assist you with, please ask."

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    2. My questions:
    I have one more question: can the detector alert to new signal detected at the same time while actively filtering out a BSM identified signal? Is there any impact on sensitivity or performance during FDSR filtering?

    Answer:
    "If the unit is proving an FDSR alert (K ###) the unit is capable to receive and prioritize 34.7. If the unit is reporting X band or K band, or Ka band, the first band alerted holds priority.

    While actively filtering out BSM, the unit is still capable to receive X, K, and Ka band however depending on the BSM system or the number of vehicles around you containing BSM, the unit may appear unresponsive, delayed, or misidentify the radar band when alerting. If the unit is actively filtering out BSM (not alerting), it is still capable to receive 34.7 without issue."

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    So I guess there are no doubts for 34.7, but it is possible to miss legit K or Ka 33.8/35.5 if the unit is "overwhelmed" by other signals at the time. Regardless, I think their responses really explain the inner workings and why we may see false alerts with changing bands. Now I just hope a new firmware can improve the situation. Also, I am not sure if it is best that the first band alerted holds priority - driving in moderate or heavy traffic, it is very likely to pick up BSM/CAS first, and then a legit signal...
    Anyway, just my thoughts at the end. Hope you find this info helpful.
     
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    @Marty K , this is the same thing that I have noticed during alerts with my CR95 and my CR97. If you will look at the 5 videos that @VariableWave posted last night, you will see that my 95 seems to have better range with FDSR on! Whistler wasn’t lying about the range, my 95 easily got 35.5 from 4 miles! I can’t wait to see it attack some 34.7!
     
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    @Kennyc56, Can you please provide me a link to the videos or the discussion title?
     
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    just go over to the main Whistler threads. @VariableWave posted it because I am still in Phoenix. It is under CR95 against 35.5 with and without filters.
     
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    Got it, thank you.
     
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    Well, I am disappointed from my CR97. Here is the background:

    I work for a school district and we have 2 active duty police officers as our resource officers. One of them agreed to help me with some testing today while having break, so not much time, but at least it was as real as it gets (actual police vehicle, Stalker Ka 34.7 with front antenna only). There was light rain, and understand it impacts performance and range, but still I think I had terrible experience, especially with I/O test. I had Ka filter off (0), Ka MaxID, FDSR off, TFSR on.
    I will work on videos later, but here's what happened in a brief:

    I had a C/O detection of 0.8 miles with easy curve, downhill, uphill (where he was) - my starting point was about same level (vertical-wise) as the LEO), so I thing that helped.

    Then I had 1.5 mile with left curve, downhill, uphill, right curve + dip - No detection until after I had a visual on him, pretty much point blank! And that was C/O! When I approached him from behind, I did not get detection until just maybe 100 feet ( and I was sopped on traffic signal).

    Then I had about 0.7 mile C/O detection with slight curve and almost flat terrain. But he was able to see me about the time I detected him.

    The 0.7 mile above setup was a total failure when we tried the I/O - I did not pick up any of his triggers until I was pretty much (literally!) onto him and I was being shot. There were several vehicle in front of me with plenty of distance, and he checked all of them. Yet, my detector was totally blind.

    I understand it is hard to get the actual conditions, and I will upload the videos as soon as I can. One thing that was solid is the radar source - at least there is no guess at what gun it was, which antenna, and if it was C/O or I/O...

    So I am about to give up on it....
     

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