3.872 vs. new V1 with custom sweeps and latest firmware. WTF?

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You know what happens when you make assumptions?

There's been no Ka improvement in that time. It's Ka Guard that unleashes improved Ka performance so your detectors are on equal footing.
Yeah, you end up looking stupid! That's why we tested them out. I was thinking it would at least come close to the difference it made when the Redline got segged.
 
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I don't think these speed cams are FM modulated since they are easily detected with Bel 550 and other legacy RDs.
Well, yes, you would expect them to... BSM filtering is approached a number of ways, but chief among them is figuring out frequency modulation, which is primarily used for helping detect distance rather than speed, which is how BSMs work. If you have a frequency modulated speed sign, it will potentially look like a BSM source and get filtered out. If you have an old detector with no filtering or disable filtering on a newer detector, you will get alerted to it.
 

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I never expected my new V1 to be noticeably better in range than my 3.872. I did expect it to be a much better all round countermeasure, that's what I have. I'm as happy as a clam at high tide.
 

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Detectors with little or no K band filtering should be able to pick them up fine. The addition of K band filtering to prevent false BSM alerts would also cause these cameras to be filtered out or detected with severely reduced range.
Exactly. No FM modulation in Greece as far as I know. Exceptions: Sensyss MSSS and a possibility for on board Gatsos that I haven't encountered yet so I don't know.

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And now it gets interesting. Two RDs vs the very first speed cam placed in Attiki Odos.

Bel 550 vs K band low powered speed cam (old video)


About 400m early warning.

V1 vs K band low powered speed cam


It's the first camera detected. Recorded this summer. 350+m early warning.

Bel 550 vs K band low powered speed cam (new video)


It's the first camera. Recorded this summer. 350m early warning.

Bel 550 is consistent the last 10+ years I own it. I have yet to test V1 with TMF2 OFF to see the results. I believe it can detect the camera about 500m before and that's the limit posed by the conditions (tunnel, curvature of the road etc).
 
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This has nothing to do with that! It's about the 2 V1's! I just brought the R1 into this as a baseline. I was surprised that they were so close. I just assumed his new V1 would destroy my 3.872! It is not in any way a knock on V1!
It has been proven before that some old V1 version will beat or be at par with the newer V1 versions in Ka band. The older V1 versions will beat the newer V1 versions in K band detection. My 813 beats the newest V1 version in K band detection all day long. The newer V1 version will beat the 872 in terms of quietness with BSM and semi's - the only advantage I see and the added technology with bluetooth pairing and options with your cell phone.
 
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Sorry, I guess I just don't understand what you're so excited about. Where did you read that 3.872 V1s had less Ka range than newer versions?
You know what happens when you make assumptions?

There's been no Ka improvement in that time. It's Ka Guard that unleashes improved Ka performance so your detectors are on equal footing.

It will be a welcome improvement whenever that happens.
You beat me to it. The one thing you might see is better reactivity because of custom sweeps and being able to turn Ka guard off, but that doesn't necessarily translate to improved range.

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A detector/app combo that gives you a 3 mile alert of a lidar trap via CSA is fairly compelling too.
 

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That would require that there were enough users that someone fell victim to it recently ahead of you who had the exact right setup to tell you about it. It becomes a continual chicken and egg question that’s solved by CMs that are self sufficient in the first place, and any extra is just gravy.
 

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When doing the Test... One would of thought in X years, any tweaks not only done in Software, but Firmware/Hardware would show a change. In the test @Kennyc56 and I did with the last course, not the first, there would of been some kind of range variance between a 2010 and a 2016 unit by Valentine. Now, there still could be, though the test course for tight sensitivity of detectors did not provide that ranging. The Course set is what I have seen of past to challenge the detectors, and it did.... plus if we ran another Ka antenna, it even showed more of a challenge and the kill zone was the same in the setup on purpose. I would say, the Custom sweeps "could" allow better response timing "within" the "allowed sensitivity" of the antenna and additional hardware. We did CO in the test for timing of the day and full available raw pickup regardless of terrain and some obstacles that occurred (vehicles). The radar used was a Decatur Gen II Select 35.5, and if IO was used, would of hurt the timing of any radar detector unit. The Antenna used to picks up a vehicle speed, within kill zone, the hit of the button was taken within that quick trigger.
 
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That would require that there were enough users that someone fell victim to it recently ahead of you who had the exact right setup to tell you about it. It becomes a continual chicken and egg question that’s solved by CMs that are self sufficient in the first place, and any extra is just gravy.
How about Ways?
 

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Waze is mostly useless unless you face a lot of lidar or at least some stationary radar.

Think about it this way: Waze has massively more users than any CM app or network. By orders of magnitude, probably. And yet it still is only marginally helpful anywhere outside major population centers.
 

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Waze is mostly useless unless you face a lot of lidar or at least some stationary radar.

Think about it this way: Waze has massively more users than any CM app or network. By orders of magnitude, probably. And yet it still is only marginally helpful anywhere outside major population centers.
"Ways" is for sure HEAVILY dependent on the amount of people using it. If you are out if a rural area, I could see it being next to useless. I'm lucky enough to live a do most of my driving where the user is base is fantastic. It has saved me more times than I can even count. I rarely see less than 5000 users around me anytime I have the app running and most times it is up around 8000.
 

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I figured out the other day that I've driven roughly 260,000 to 300,000 miles with Waze in the last 5 years. I've definitely seen it be useless for certain areas and very helpful for others.
 

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I have the newest V1 and a 3.872 they are about the same in terms of performance, in some cases my 3.872 might be hotter. There are some limitations of the V1's current platform so the performance of the 2 will similar. For the most part I get plenty of warning. It is about the overall user experience and the App connected aspect is unbeatable.
 

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Waze is mostly useless unless you face a lot of lidar or at least some stationary radar.

Think about it this way: Waze has massively more users than any CM app or network. By orders of magnitude, probably. And yet it still is only marginally helpful anywhere outside major population centers.
The CSA in the app is Ways.
 

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If Valentine had done something over the last few years to improve detection range, don't you think they'd have said something about it? I think Mike's attitude these days is pretty much if it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. And I don't believe he thinks it's broke.
 

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I have the latest v1 and it's a dog on 35.5, about 1200 ft if I'm lucky. It's strong on 33.8 and 34.7 though
 

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If Valentine had done something over the last few years to improve detection range, don't you think they'd have said something about it? I think Mike's attitude these days is pretty much if it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. And I don't believe he thinks it's broke.
I just remember how shocked I was after getting the RDR off/band seg update for my Redline back in the day. It turned my Redline from a dog to a raging beast! I just assumed that custom sweeps/band segging the V1 would make a similar improvement, that's all. Then again the biggest improvement comes from turning Ka guard/rdr off anyway, not from the segments being tweaked, so I guess I should have known better.
 

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