3.872 vs. new V1 with custom sweeps and latest firmware. WTF?

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Let me start this by saying my 3.872 V1 was my first "real" detector. I got it brand new in Dec. 2010. It has saved my @ss more times than I can even count! @VariableWave and I tested all of our detectors this past Sunday with my new radar gun, a Genesis 2 35.5 that I just bought from him. We tested all of the usual detectors R1's,R3's, my Redline-O, my CR95, etc. We have HOURS of footage that we are editing right now that will prove what I'm about to post, but I couldn't wait to get some thoughts on this! We got a good baseline with our R1's and R3's. Just for the hell of it, I decided to try my V1,the 3.872 on our course, which was very challenging to say the least! My R1 destroyed my V1 even worse than I thought it would! They were each run by themselves too before anyone blames it on that! I went back and re-ran the V1 a couple more times and it alerted in the exact same spot over and over. Here is what this post is about. I went back to @VariableWave who was in the test car and told him about it, he told me to run his new V1 with custom sweeps and the newest firmware. I couldn't wait! A new latest version V1 is on my list! Guess what? His new V1 picked up the 35.5 in the exact same spot that mine did! I ran this test several times, the results were the same every time! My settings on the V1 are Ka guard off, X band off and K band on. I'm not sure what his custom sweeps were but when we put up the videos we'll post them. If that wasn't enough, we also ran them against QT, and I/O. Mine beat his on every pull! It was very close, but damn I didn't see that coming! Like I said I have video of all this but I just couldn't wait to get some of your thoughts on this! We will post all of the video as soon as we get it trimmed down!
 

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I look forward to more info on this! It makes sense if I'm understanding you correctly. Here are my thoughts;

Custom sweeps might speed up the detector in certain situations by milliseconds each full sweep and a lot of shorter sweeps will eventually amount to a higher sweep rate overall as you drive. Custom sweeps are much more noticeable in what junk signals they don't bother to detect. It's a concept that works in unison with the driver as the driver then doesn't tune out signals as much and might react more quickly.

It sounds like the course you were on might have allowed both V1's to see the signal at the same location? Maybe kind of like two people peeking around a corner. They are going to see the target at the same distance. (Although, the R1 results might negate this idea.)

What are the firmware changes between 3.872 and 3.8952? Maybe those changes weren't related to 35.5 sensitivity. One particular frequency might not show the changes if any. :)
 

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Custom sweeps don't really increase range/speed so it should preform similar to an older V1. Now with Ka guard off that's were most would see a bigger difference, but both had that off.

Like BlueV1 said the course you were on might have allowed both V1's to see the signal at the same location do to them bot having the same limitations off axis.
 

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I look forward to more info on this! It makes sense if I'm understanding you correctly. Here are my thoughts;

Custom sweeps might speed up the detector in certain situations by milliseconds each full sweep and a lot of shorter sweeps will eventually amount to a higher sweep rate overall as you drive. Custom sweeps are much more noticeable in what junk signals they don't bother to detect. It's a concept that works in unison with the driver as the driver then doesn't tune out signals as much and might react more quickly.

It sounds like the course you were on might have allowed both V1's to see the signal at the same location? Maybe kind of like two people peeking around a corner. They are going to see the target at the same distance. (Although, the R1 results might negate this idea.)

What are the firmware changes between 3.872 and 3.8952? Maybe those changes weren't related to 35.5 sensitivity. One particular frequency might not show the changes if any. :)
I hate to let too much out of the bag yet, but we were also testing his R3's to pit 1.37 against 1.46! That's for another thread! We also tested my Redline-O alone and with my R1 so I could finally see for myself how it would turn out after SEVERAL runs! We ran them on straight raw distance, but they were both such @ss kickers together and alone we had to find a more challenging test! They both got it from over 5 miles with a curve, together and on their own, just like I've been saying all along! If anything, they are a tick better together than alone! The best part is I can now prove it! We did so many tests that I don't even remember them all! I can't wait to post the videos!
 
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R series has a lot more range. This is old news, but you're excited like you're breaking it. WTF?
 

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R series has a lot more range. This is old news, but you're excited like you're breaking it. WTF?
This has nothing to do with that! It's about the 2 V1's! I just brought the R1 into this as a baseline. I was surprised that they were so close. I just assumed his new V1 would destroy my 3.872! It is not in any way a knock on V1!
 

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This has nothing to do with that! It's about the 2 V1's! I just brought the R1 into this as a baseline. I was surprised that they were so close. I just assumed his new V1 would destroy my 3.872! It is not in any way a knock on V1!
Sorry, I guess I just don't understand what you're so excited about. Where did you read that 3.872 V1s had less Ka range than newer versions?
 
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Sorry, I guess I just don't understand what you're so excited about. Where did you read that 3.872 V1s had less Ka range than newer models?
Who said I was excited about it? I just asked for some feedback, that's all. Actually if anything, I'm a little bit sad about it because I was hoping there would be a big difference.
 
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Without more information on the course it would be hard to say, but I’m willing to bet on the results being course limited. In other words, a hill or dip or curve made it such that any differentiation wouldn’t manifest because there’s not enough of a gradual introduction to the signal. The R-series appears to be the most sensitive detectors available today, which means they might pick it up much further out, but less extreme detectors might go from nothing to a solid signal at essentially the same spot. Happens all the time and is part of what makes finding a great course a pain in the butt.
 

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Who said I was excited about it? I just asked for some feedback, that's all.
All the exclamation points, and "can't wait to post the videos."
 

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Without more information on the course it would be hard to say, but I’m willing to bet on the results being course limited. In other words, a hill or dip or curve made it such that any differentiation wouldn’t manifest because there’s not enough of a gradual introduction to the signal. The R-series appears to be the most sensitive detectors available today, which means they might pick it up much further out, but less extreme detectors might go from nothing to a solid signal at essentially the same spot. Happens all the time and is part of what makes finding a great course a pain in the butt.
This course was very hard on purpose! The first one we set up was too easy on our detectors so we had to go to plan B!

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All the exclamation points, and "can't wait to post the videos."
That was about THE ENTIRE TEST, not just the V1's! I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. I can assure you,I love my V1 as good as anyone!
 

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Right, but there’s not really such a thing as “too easy” except in that it’s inefficient to drive 5+ mile loops. A course that is “very hard” is fine but still needs to have a gradual introduction to the signal. A single sloping continuous curve might work, for example. But dips and rises and curves can cause undesirable bunching.
 

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I was bored this weekend so I set up my Kustom Hawk K-band and let it run C/O for most of the day, irradiating in an easterly direction down NC HWY 42, just West of Duncan NC. I had to run some errands as well, so while out I was doing some 'testing'. Now I see that you guys were as well, Gadget Geeks like myself, and I missed out!? I'm in the Raleigh (Fuquay Varina/Holly Springs) area so next time you do this give me a shout! None of my friends would be into this kind of thing and would probably think I was a bit 'odd'. Haha.. I am proud to be a Gadget Geek anyways. Have been most of my life.

For the sake of comparison between Valentine One versions, I have a mint V2.693, HW version 1.7 that I've been wanting to compare with my v3.8945 in my 'test zone', but I only have K-band. Something to do next weekend I suppose. Running JBV1 full time now. I love the app so much, JB! Thanks for your time and letting us have such an awesome app!

I also have an R3 with 1.46 firmware, and have been comparing different K settings such as TMF on/off, and K filter, etc. Nothing conclusive yet but they definitely delay the detector's response a second or more with either one turned on. More testing is needed just for the heck of it.

Looking forward to seeing your videos!

-Chris
 

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I was bored this weekend so I set up my Kustom Hawk K-band and let it run C/O for most of the day, irradiating in an easterly direction down NC HWY 42, just West of Duncan NC. I had to run some errands as well, so while out I was doing some 'testing'. Now I see that you guys were as well, Gadget Geeks like myself, and I missed out!? I'm in the Raleigh (Fuquay Varina/Holly Springs) area so next time you do this give me a shout! None of my friends would be into this kind of thing and would probably think I was a bit 'odd'. Haha.. I am proud to be a Gadget Geek anyways. Have been most of my life.

For the sake of comparison between Valentine One versions, I have a mint V2.693, HW version 1.7 that I've been wanting to compare with my v3.8945 in my 'test zone', but I only have K-band. Something to do next weekend I suppose. Running JBV1 full time now. I love the app so much, JB! Thanks for your time and letting us have such an awesome app!

I also have an R3 with 1.46 firmware, and have been comparing different K settings such as TMF on/off, and K filter, etc. Nothing conclusive yet but they definitely delay the detector's response a second or more with either one turned on. More testing is needed just for the heck of it.

Looking forward to seeing your videos!

-Chris
We will! Great to have another Tarheel to play with! @VariableWave is from Suffolk Va., and also has laser guns and K band guns as well. We were going to do some K band testing but ran out of time. We will give you a shout on our next test! BTW, we are all odd!
 
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Since we don't know what the V1's processor is actually doing when custom sweeps are enabled, it may be possible that the only thing custom sweeps does to the V1 is tell it what frequencies NOT to alert to. It's possible the V1 sweeps at only 1 preset pattern (the entire 2.6GHz) no matter what you're doing with sweeps.
This could explain why interleaving sweeps has no noticeable effect.
 
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TMF2 in latest V1 not only delays detection but sometimes eliminates the detection when I test V1 vs low powered speed cams. You can take a look at my videos where with TMF2 ON the detection starts after the camera with full power alert and with TMF2 OFF V1 can detect far enough to slow down but with less dots meaning that the real detected power of the camera is minimal.

TMF2 ON (52 sec mark starts the part of the video with parabolic gatso)

TMF2 OFF (20 sec mark starts the part of the video with same parabolic gatso)
 

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TMF2 in latest V1 not only delays detection but sometimes eliminates the detection when I test V1 vs low powered speed cams.
In these cases it's not a delay imparted by TMF2, it's TMF2 actively trying to filter the FMCW modulated radar signal.

The V1 can detect these FMCW modulated threats with TMF2 off, but it can't distinguish between things like MRCD or Gatso and a BSM false so it's not very practical in most situations.

@pipinos1976 Are you able to try a Radenso Pro M or Genevo One? Both would provide much better performance against those sorts of speed cameras.
 

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In these cases it's not a delay imparted by TMF2, it's TMF2 actively trying to filter the FMCW modulated radar signal.

The V1 can detect these FMCW modulated threats with TMF2 off, but it can't distinguish between things like MRCD or Gatso and a BSM false so it's not very practical in most situations.

@pipinos1976 Are you able to try a Radenso Pro M or Genevo One? Both would provide much better performance against those sorts of speed cameras.
I don't think these speed cams are FM modulated since they are easily detected with Bel 550 and other legacy RDs. Most of the them are parabolic so the power is almost perpendicular to the road and the detection is minimal. V1 delays the detection due to filtering and sometimes it provides the same detection as Bel 550 or Snooper S5R (minor differences, +/-50m).

I don't know anyone with Genevo in Greece. I would like to see detection videos from Redline EX users I know exist here. RDs are illegal here and not practical to use. All these speed cams are recorded from many users and I transfered them to Waze (I was the one that checked the whole list, added speed limits, directions etc) so RDs are useless. The V1 belongs to a friend of mine and he gives it to me for extended periods of time since he travels abroad (airplane) so I can test it. I still use a Bel 550 that detects speed cams far enough to slow down. All these speed cams are from Attiki Odos, a ring road around Athens, and are all active 24/7. Only in rural roads a driver can avoid certain speed cams but they are so few that you can slow down once in a while (my usual holidays, about 1100km of mixed roads, and I encounter 2 speed cams each direction, so why use RD since you can speed at will?) The only way a RD can be used in Greece is to provide (V1 and RL EX only) scatter detection from lidar speed traps.

Here is a detection with TMF2 ON. Clear road, light traffic, about 50+m detection, similar to Bel 550.


Same camera vs Snooper S5R


Bel 550 vs FM modulated radar


Bel 550 vs parabolic Gatso


Old video but here with bad weather (rain) Bel 550 gives 16s early warning (same type camera opposite direction - see first video of "V1 with TMF2 ON vs various speed cams" in the previous post as I exit the tunnel). This one is easier to detect since placement of the camera, but gives an idea of what happens with legacy RDs.

Snooper S5R vs parabolic Gatso


Same camera as the previous one (Bel 550 vs Parabolic Gatso).
 
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I don't think these speed cams are FM modulated since they are easily detected with Bel 550 and other legacy RDs
Detectors with little or no K band filtering should be able to pick them up fine. The addition of K band filtering to prevent false BSM alerts would also cause these cameras to be filtered out or detected with severely reduced range.
 

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This has nothing to do with that! It's about the 2 V1's! I just brought the R1 into this as a baseline. I was surprised that they were so close. I just assumed his new V1 would destroy my 3.872! It is not in any way a knock on V1!
You know what happens when you make assumptions?

There's been no Ka improvement in that time. It's Ka Guard that unleashes improved Ka performance so your detectors are on equal footing.

It will be a welcome improvement whenever that happens.
 
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