Reinstall Valentine One with V1Driver on a Model 3

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  1. mswlogo

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    I picked up a new set of wheels, supposed be my wife's car, but oddly enough I've needed to "test it" every day since we got it a couple weeks ago.

    Any way the Model 3 is a pretty unique vehicle with a super uncluttered dash. But I think I found a really cool spot to mount the Valentine One.

    Since I run V1Driver on my iPhone I (I mean my wife) really doesn't need physical access to the V1 nor does it's display need to be in view.
    V1Driver will Automute, Display Direction, Speed Mute, Auto Connect, Speak Direction over hands free protocol.
    I (my wife) can even have the radio blasting and it will mute the radio and announce the alert.
    You can see it running on the phone sitting on the wireless charger.
    Note: my wife never touched the V1 or ever blasted the radio.

    Obviously, I have not hardwired the V1 yet. I think it will be easier than up front. I need to confirm performance here before I commit wiring.
    I plan to route the wire down the right rear pillar and find a switched 12V on the Amp. There has to be some switched 12V there.
    I'd like to put the Dongle back at the Amp and not at the V1, but I'm not sure how reliable it will be that far from the phone.

    I really didn't want to clutter up the windshield and spoil the Model 3 look, nor interfere with the rear view mirror, nor route wires in the front at all (I have in many cars before).
    There is just too much stuff going on up front that could cause an issue. After all that camera behind the mirror does drive the car.

    I used that 3M Dual Lock (or Scotch) stuff you see on EZPass to mount it. The V1 is upside down because it's flat on the bottom. It looks tilted in some pics but it's level and points straight at the rearview mirror.

    What's also cool is it's completely invisible from the outside as well. Day or night. Even if you know where to look.

    The only mammal that will ever see it are my 2 four legged friends.

    Did you notice the hidden DashCam too ;) (Tesla V9 any day now).

    This is where I tapped power, on the Rear Amp. Note: Any time the car is not "Sleeping" this is ON. It is on more often than the Cigarette Lighter Adapter Circuit. But it does shut OFF. I bent U shape lug to 90 degrees and wedged it in there. I didn't want to tap the wire. Partly because it's very large gauge. The V1 is immediately fused after the tap.

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    This is where I mount the Valentine One Hardwire Kit. Grounded to Radio and Clips on the Subwoofer.

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    This is the route to get up to the inside of the bottom of the rear window

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    The lining comes out easy. Just fold back the trunk gasket. You do not have to remove gasket. I tied it back with string while I worked.

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    This are the plastic rivets you have to remove to get the center trim off before you can peel back the lining.
    Getting these rivets back in was the hardest part. They come out easy. But they are a little bit sprung and the whole has very sharp edges. Maybe a file on the hole edges to smooth it or a little bit of lube would have helped.

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    This is a close up of the center trim you need to remove. So you can see how the clips work. You do not have to pull hard and it came out very easy and went back in easy. Except those darn rivets.

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    You need to remove this rivet on each side. Pull the center plug back with a small screw driver then wiggle the whole plug out.

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    This is where I went down into trunk. I shined a flash light from the bottom at night to find it. It goes direct to trunk. It's not along some path. Just push the wire down and you'll see it below. It's in a little double wall cavity though. Which has lots of large holes in it.

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    This is what the V1 looks like looking back from drivers seat.

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    This is the path the wire takes in the cabin. I used a plastic pry bar to tension the trim away from glass as I tuck the wire in. Some spot didn't even need the prying but some did. It varied a bit.


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    And more... It was a little snug around the rear defog connector. But was fine.

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    Looking up at V1 from rear seat. The Dongle and splitter could be in trunk but it might not get a good signal there.
    I might add the conceal display facing forward.

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    Nice. Have you checked on the reception in that location?
     
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    It seems really good right now on K. I have not done real world Ka yet.

    One thing that might be screwy is rear is normally angled slightly to the right. Now it’s slightly to the left.

    If I have to, I’ll flip it. It was just so easy doing it this way.

    I should do my normal “V1Driver Demo” route with two guns hanging out the window of my house.

    Note that since it sees both car screen and phone screen it has tripped laser a couple times. It seems to normally be fine. But I think it might be when I pickup and handle the phone it trips. If have to, I will cover front laser sensor.
     
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    in that position, picking up a real laser alert will probably not happen, so I'd just disable laser on the V1
     
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    But it should do great in the rear.

    As long as it doesn’t false like crazy I’ll leave it on.

    Besides, I’m constantly “under test” with V1Driver that I didn’t break something.

    I even have X and Ku on as well which, for me personally I would never have on.

    I have the ALP laser tester. I’m curious what it will do. I know it’s not representative.
     
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    Why wouldn’t it pick up laser? And if it doesn’t, why turn it off?
     
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    It seems to be working fine.

    I tested with an ALP laser tester front and back.

    It certainly might be less likely to catch scatter in front. I don’t expect it to ever save me. I just want to monitor. I don’t think it’s ever been tripped by real lidar yet.

    It has not falsed for the last day and a half. It might have been falsing when I pickup the pixel phone. But not the iPhone.

    I thought of a cool idea. To add the Concealed Display in the same location as the V1 facing forward. And I think it can be adjusted to show up in the rear view mirror. I don’t miss the display though. I might just try it for fun. I might enable Ka Automute though.
     
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    @mswlogo slightly off topic but what is that small inward facing camera just above the rear view mirror used for on the Model 3?
     
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    You can't tell there is a camera there in my fuzzy photo's ;). You just wanna chat about some of the heated discussions about the car you've read else where. No problem.
    Supposedly it's not active yet and will be used for checking attentiveness of the driver for autopilot. Other cars do as well.
     
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    Looks very clean! Wife got a new daily CX-5 (thing has so nanny systems) so she's set up with a R and I'm rocking a V1/V1-Driver/Savvy combo. Not nearly as cool of an install in my car compared to your Model 3's :D
     
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    I updated the OP with the complete install if anyone is curious.
     
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    Nice work. How do you like the Model 3?
    Have you seen the video of the guy in the 3 getting pulled over by a LEO who tells him that he can't have a computer like that above the dashboard and he has to remove it? LOL. The guy tries to explain to the uninformed LEO that it is part of the car and controls everything, it takes a bit for the LEO to get it. It does appear to be a real stop, not staged for youtube.
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    here is the video:
     
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    The Model 3 is incredible. I could never justify say a Jeep SRT, Challenger HellCat or a Vette or something.
    But when I looked at the numbers (cost to own and operate) for a base RWD (which is still a very nice car and almost got) at around $55K, when you subtract tax breaks (about to expire) and fuel savings it's not that crazy expensive or impractical.
    Less than the cost of owning (and operating) say an Audi A4 or similar.
    Then I saw my one opportunity to get a "sports" car by adding Performance mode (which is just a software unlock on an AWD).
    I was able to justify that to the wife because that included free supercharging for life. That certainly doesn't cover it, but helps. No way I could have got Performance without that perk.

    When you step on it, it feels like someone just kicked the back of your seat. And what's cool, nobody but you knows it (accept the guy directly behind you).
    I didn't get the wheel package so it looks no different than the base RWD. There are no badges on it. I also didn't get it in Red (but dark metallic grey). So it's a real sleeper and not a LEO magnet.
    It handles like it's on rails even with the modest stock tires. I was planning on getting the Tesla 19" wheels but the 18's "Aero" wheels kind of grew on me. Aero's also maximize range.
    It's so planted it feels like a much larger, heavier car the way it takes bumps and handles.

    I normally keep it in "Chill" mode, so as not to get to carried away, which is just way to easy to do. It's still plenty fast and fun to drive in chill mode.
    It still has a long ways to go on AutoPilot, and even basic things like entertainment system can be buggy and dumb, but sounds quite good.
    It never bothered me to drive the Jeep. But it does now.

    Between some excess capacity on my solar system and free supercharging I expect to pay $0 for fuel in this car. Versus $65 a week in the Jeep (and that was just the V6 with fairly low gas prices).
     
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    wow impressive install....I'm working on hard wiring my R3 but I want to do it up front. Agreed with you, .....I've had my 3 for two weeks.....once you drive it, everything else feels like a donkey cart. I had a '16 TT that I thought had excellent handling, but it's not even close to my 3. It would be hard to believe that any other car made could handle like this car, Audi/BMW/Mercedes must be peeing their pants right about now.
     
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    @mswlogo Nice car George!!

    I drove one in Cali last month and also just this past weekend. Both had the Dual Motor (which is now a badge on the back) that says "Dual Motor." and they also had the Performance Package. The car is indeed very quick and I liken it to being shot out of a cannon . Funny thing is, since the first one in Cali had every option was $80,500 , the new one was $72,000 with the exact same options, Apparently Elon's been playing around with prices by lowering the firmware packages costs. Either way, its a nice car and I wish you good service with it. a fellow atty of mine has the S75D and he says it costs him about $80.00 a month for charging, BUT unlike you he does not have reserve or extra solar capacity and electricity here is about 8.0 cents per kilowatt hour.
     

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    One of these days I’ll get a badge but I kind of like the “debaged” look.

    Electricity is expensive here in MA and NH $0.23 kWh. If I had to pay for all that charging the savings are still there but not nearly as great as most other states. CA is expensive too.

    Currently Elon has taken away the option for FSD (full self drive) because that assured users of an upgrade. I think they are rolling that hardware out soon and there is a mix that’s gonna be around for a while. So word is, the option is suspended. And you might have to pay big bucks to upgrade down the line. I bought FSD. Don’t know if it will ever pan out.
     
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    I've got the dual motor LR version, VIN 121xxx.....no badge on the back, and I think I like it better that way. It's better balanced on the back end, and kind of mysterious, you don't know what's in there but it can blow you off the road.
     
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    Yes, they are very quick. In fact, the Tesla X100D just got taken down the quarter by the new Lambo Urus which is very quick. The Tesla S100D got taken down by the 3.4 million Bugatti Chiron and the McLaren 720S. . BUT, hey for the $$, you can't beat the Teslas. My son wants a Model 3 so bad he can taste it and he doesnt even have a DL yet!!! :)

    I was going to bite on the Model 3 for him (and me too!!) but Elon is adding hardware (in addition to firmware upgrades) so rapidly that I can wait until he gets it all tuned up. He's apparently adding the adjustable suspension from the X and S models and everyone wants to see what the Y model looks like too. I am digging the Track Mode he just added as well. Randy Pobst loved it too!!
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    LEO enforcement has taken the position that YOU (driver) must maintain full physical control of your vehicle at all times, so it appears (at this time anyway) that you can and will be ticketed if caught using Auto Pilot (FSD) and someone turns you in:

     
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    How is someone going to “turn you in” exactly? But regardless, states are staring to pass legislation around autonomous driving, so it could start to become an issue soon depending on wherever you are.
     
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    You should know that every JagOff with a cell phone will turn you in. Yeah, they could call and say hey, this guys reading a book while driving etc. After awhile, the cops will look at it like chicken little when they get their 1000th call and say, "by the time we got to him he was driving the vehicle."

    As to the guy above, IL and Fl law requires (currently) that you are in direct physical control of the vehicle. Unfortunately, statutes have not kept up with technology n this arena, so its going to take some legislative action to amend the motor Vehicle Codes to address autonomous driving. In the meantime, why risk it. Uber or Lyft is cheap and it saves your license.
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    X2, my Kleemann is debadged and Vettes etc have no idea what it is until I "get on it" and they're shaking their heads. One car I will not mess with off a DIG however is the Tesla S or X since they are just so darned quick off the dig its ridiculous. ONCE you get going, you can reel them in, BUT from a standing start or even a roll on, the Teslas are bad to the bone.
     
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