Stinger All Fiber Laser marketing email for September 24, 2018.

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(It turns out things are very different in Holland and in Europe in general, unsurprisingly, so this is great news for them.)
in what way did they expand on that comment ? may be they have all split up into different sectors ,been taken over ( just guesses )
 

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in what way did they expand on that comment ? may be they have all split up into different sectors ,been taken over ( just guesses )
Great question. So it's been a few days and so it's not all super fresh in my mind, but one example was the relevance of arrows.

Arrows are super helpful here in the US, but not in Europe. Apparently ALL photo radar is shot in the front there, so really all that matters is front facing detection. The patches in the antenna are rotated 90 degrees as a compromise between detecting horizontally and vertically polarized radar. So one thing people would do is have two antennas mounted up front (instead of front and rear) and mounted in different orientations. This way people would get even better performance compared to one single antenna.

This is actually a big reason why Stinger had the antennas autolearn front or rear placement instead of manually selecting it. This is now going to change which I'm glad about since it seemed to introduce some unnecessary complexity. There will now be the ability to manually assign front or rear antennas as needed.

So this was one big thing.

There's other stuff like BSM's, different frequency ranges and power levels for radar guns used there which we already know about, but the aspect of needing front only detection and having the option to do two front facing antennas, that was a new bit of info for me.
 

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still nice to know even if head on encounters only used, where leo is in front or behind using front and rear ant, lets hope more positive things start to come from Stinger for Au user as well
 

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I've been talking to our local distributor quite a lot regarding the freedom, to his knowledge the Poliscan and DE have not been licked just yet.

I have a problem with one of my front RX sensors atm so I have toyed with the idea of switching the LAB out for a Freedom, but while it still can't jam a poliscan that's just not on the table.
 
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Also while talking to him no offers on upgrades.
 

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Apparently ALL photo radar is shot in the front there, so really all that matters is front facing detection.
That's not true, actually it's the opposite. Almost all European radar (with a few exceptions, for instance Germany) is rear facing radar and shot in the back of the car. So, the only thing what really matters in the EU is rear facing radar detection. I wish your statement about EU using front photo radar was true, this should make detection of low powered radars much easier for us European guys.

The patches in the antenna are rotated 90 degrees as a compromise between detecting horizontally and vertically polarized radar. So one thing people would do is have two antennas mounted up front (instead of front and rear) and mounted in different orientations. This way people would get even better performance compared to one single antenna.
Seriously? The Stinger HD antenna was formerly known and marketed as MPHD antenna, which stand for Multi Polarized High Definition antenna. The whole idea behind the antenna was to use just one antenna with the best possible compromise between detecting horizontally and vertically polarized radar. As a result of the design of the antenna, there is no real benefit for using two antennas in the EU. I've been involved in a lot of radardetector installations recently, and i can assure you that 99% of the EU customers are using just one single (MP)HD antenna in the front of the car. The whole two antennas / arrows thing, is completely irrelevant in the EU and almost never used.
 
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That's not true, actually it's the opposite. Almost all European radar (with a few exceptions, for instance Germany) is rear facing radar and shot in the back of the car. So, the only thing what really matters in the EU is rear facing radar detection. I wish your statement about EU using front photo radar was true, this should make detection of low powered radars much easier for us European guys.
Really? Wow, thanks so much for sharing. huh.. now I wondering why I was told otherwise.

Seriously? The Stinger HD antenna was formerly known and marketed as MPHD antenna, which stand for Multi Polarized High Definition antenna. The whole idea behind the antenna was to use just one antenna with the best possible compromise between detecting horizontally and vertically polarized radar. As a result of the design of the antenna, there is no real benefit for using two antennas in the EU. I've been involved in a lot of radardetector installations recently, and i can assure you that 99% of the EU customers are using just one single (MP)HD antenna in the front of the car. The whole two antennas / arrows thing, is completely irrelevant in the EU and almost never used.
Yeah maybe it's for people who want the ultimate at any cost? It's certainly not necessary, but apparently a way to get just that much more?
 

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Yeah maybe it's for people who want the ultimate at any cost? It's certainly not necessary, but apparently a way to get just that much more?
I honestly can't see how you can get any advantage with a rear antenna in the EU. The arrow will (assuming the arrow works correctly) always pointing towards the front of the vehicle when encountering a speed trap, since the photo radar is by default in front of your car waiting for you to pass and fire the radar beam in the back of your car. It's a different situation compared to the USA where the speedtrap can theoretically be everywhere around you.
 
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So I just got off the phone with Stinger. We chatted for a good 2 1/2 hours. Here’s a couple things in learned from the conversation:

The new fiber heads are physically different than before which is why you need an all new system.

The new system should be JTG against all guns including the DE, Stalker XLR, etc. They’re a smaller company, but they’ve been devoting their resources lately primarily to the laser side.

They offer an upgrade path for existing customers who want to trade in their older systems.

They have a stand-alone jammer with the “strip” that is a smaller display than the VIP. It doesn’t offer as many options as the larger VIP’s display, but it gives you all the key capabilities that you need.

The strip was only released in the US about two weeks ago. They’re going to send one over so I can install it (triple Tx and Rx) and test it against the ALP, Escort, and TMG options. I have the regular VIP as well so I’ll put it next to the strip to compare the two displays.

They’re now here in San Diego and have been for a while so they’re spending a lot of time focused on the needs of US customers. (It turns out things are very different in Holland and in Europe in general, unsurprisingly, so this is great news for them.)
They have a stand-alone jammer with the “strip” - since I already have VIP+old laser this means I have to add something else to my dash.

They offer an upgrade path for existing customers - might be good depending on the price,
from what I saw it looked like about $2900. I have 4 sets of TX/RX on the front of my car , two of the TX are fiber.

So I think this is a good step in the right direction but considering the cost involved I would like to see some testing from the members that have done tests in the past.
 

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getting confused with all this laser stuff and whats available, laser freedom etc, is any of this stuff interchangeable and works, or has all new gear gotta be purchased, for each one , if so its just an expensive mess and not yet proven to work in the wild, even more confusing Stinger says all guns covered in USA and some kinda trade allowance, here in AU, as @Dragons says after speaking with AU main dealer polis not covered yet and no trade in, Stinger again blowing smoke screens and answers to nothing, remember some time back they were doing a gunna call with @Vortex, Stinger :bravo2::bravo2::bravo2: be interesting to hear from @alexander how Stinger treat EU customers
 
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getting confused with all this laser stuff and whats available, laser freedom etc, is any of this stuff interchangeable and works, or has all new gear gotta be purchased, for each one , if so its just an expensive mess and not yet proven to work in the wild, even more confusing Stinger says all guns covered in USA and some kinda trade allowance, here in AU, as @Dragons says after speaking with AU main dealer polis not covered yet and no trade in, Stinger again blowing smoke screens and answers to nothing, remember some time back they were doing a gunna call with @Vortex, Stinger :bravo2::bravo2::bravo2: be interesting to hear from @alexander how Stinger treat EU customers
Yeah I totally hear you. This is why when I first reached out to Stinger last week or so, I shared a little bit about our experience here, the missed expectations and issues with execution on both the radar and laser side, and ultimately asked if they felt it was worth it to install the Stinger onto my car for continued testing. Naturally they would say yes, but I really wanted to go over all these issues first and see if it'd truly be worth spending more time with the system.

I really do like the tiny fiber heads and if they've been working hard on the laser system, maybe it'll be effective now? If so, it'll be a fantastic option for people who don't want to have jammers visible, don't have a car that makes it easy to install jammers, and/or don't want to cut their grill to install normal sized jammers.

At the end of the day, I'm still curious to see what they're like and I would enjoy spending time testing it against all the other top options.

On that note, I'm gonna need to start getting some more laser guns in to borrow for testing. I've only got a PL3 and LRB and those are not particularly exciting. :)
 

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i to like the tiny head conception , lets hope they hold up and send em for testing to you


@ Vortex , On that note, I'm gonna need to start getting some more laser guns in to borrow for testing can u get a polis :D
 

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They have a stand-alone jammer with the “strip” - since I already have VIP+old laser this means I have to add something else to my dash.

They offer an upgrade path for existing customers - might be good depending on the price,
from what I saw it looked like about $2900. I have 4 sets of TX/RX on the front of my car , two of the TX are fiber.

So I think this is a good step in the right direction but considering the cost involved I would like to see some testing from the members that have done tests in the past.
Yeah, I'm definitely interested in seeing some testing results and what, if any, upgrade path they offer to their existing customers who bought their previous laser solution that typically never delivered as well as the competition, and at least as of v4.0.52UK couldn't even jam VPR Stalker units.

I'm also curious about the VIP integration with this new laser system. I can understand the stand alone Freedom Laser maybe moving the CPU in-cabin with no Extension Box, which means having to run the TX/RX cabling into the car too, but if their new laser system is compatible with the VIP then I have to imagine it'll be another LAB under the hood that all the TX/RX plug into, with a single cable between the Extension Box and LAB like the previous setups.
 

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That's not true, actually it's the opposite. Almost all European radar (with a few exceptions, for instance Germany) is rear facing radar and shot in the back of the car. So, the only thing what really matters in the EU is rear facing radar detection. I wish your statement about EU using front photo radar was true, this should make detection of low powered radars much easier for us European guys.



Seriously? The Stinger HD antenna was formerly known and marketed as MPHD antenna, which stand for Multi Polarized High Definition antenna. The whole idea behind the antenna was to use just one antenna with the best possible compromise between detecting horizontally and vertically polarized radar. As a result of the design of the antenna, there is no real benefit for using two antennas in the EU. I've been involved in a lot of radardetector installations recently, and i can assure you that 99% of the EU customers are using just one single (MP)HD antenna in the front of the car. The whole two antennas / arrows thing, is completely irrelevant in the EU and almost never used.
Support both of your statements. Almost all countries radar from the back (another country that uses front and rear is France and Spain when mounted on a static car) and most of the installations are one single antenna in front of car.
 

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@ vortex quote
They have a stand-alone jammer with the “strip” that is a smaller display than the VIP. It doesn’t offer as many options as the larger VIP’s display, but it gives you all the key capabilities that you need.

The strip was only released in the US about two weeks ago. They’re going to send one over so I can install it (triple Tx and Rx) and test it against the ALP, Escort, and TMG options. I have the regular VIP as well so I’ll put it next to the strip to compare the two displays.
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any more updates
 

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Not yet. I did ask about it last week, but the inventory hadn't arrived yet. I haven't heard anything about it since. The only real update otherwise is that I'm heading back to my installer tomorrow to finish up the install with everything else. In the meantime I'm working on the video from the install. With Stinger, I'm just waiting... :)
 

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The new Stinger marketing email is making some bold claims. Looking forward to your testing @Vortex!

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Highlights: Stinger at KnowledgeFest​
Showcasing the latest innovations in laser protection.​
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Head of Product Design and Owner Tom De Wilde speaks to installers.​
Finding the Fiber Lasers​
Fiber Laser's incredibly small size generated a ton of excitment at KnowledgeFest.
"Are they really this tiny!?"

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Even die-hard custom install experts had a tough time locating the Fibers.​

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Showing: Superior Performance, Beautiful in your Car, Invisible on your Car​


Critics where quick to question the effectiveness of laser heads the size of a pin head. That's why we took them on the streets for real life laser testing with some of the most complex laser guns used today (DragonEye & TrueSpeed).
The results spoke for themselves.​

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Installers trying to get punch throughs...no such luck.​
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Everybody got a turn.​

Large or small,
Fiber Laser covers it all.​

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Only 3 sets of Fiber Lasers provide this massive Ford F350 the ultimate protection against speedtraps.​

 

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