V1 with App vs Pro M

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  1. okie1991

    okie1991 Learning to Fly Beginner User

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    Question for those who have experience with both. Is the V1 with an app as capable as the Pro M at effectively minimizing BSM falses? I have a V1 and have recently started using JBV1, I had been using YAV1 since 2014. It is time to upgrade the wife's Escort Smart radar and I have narrowed my choices down to these two. I like the arrows on the V1, she may not pay them any attention. I would set her phone up to auto connect to an app, she would never look at the app anyway, and let it work its magic on the stationary falses. The Pro M would require manual lockouts but could do a better job on the BSM. Like most, looking for the best choice.


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    I personally don't think the V1 with apps is good for people who aren't CM enthusiasts. I love messing around with my V1 & JBV1 app, my wife, not so much. Hence, she has a Pro M.

    Also, the V1 apps do not minimize BSM falsing. They may quiet them down, but they don't eliminate them like the Pro M does.
     
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    Unless you turn down the outer ring volume on the V1. :) Then BSMs can be quiet. Just a point to consider.
     
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    So do you find that the Pro M is noticeably better with the BSM falsing than your V1 with JBV1.


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    Without a doubt. It isn't perfect, but the Pro M is a very quiet detector.
     
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    It's really two totally different concepts. The apps are not filters. They are auto mutes/lock out providers. They don't filter anything. You will still get the visual alert on the phone and on the V1 itself (unless you are in dark mode). The Pro-M does a great job at filtering BSM so it doesn't alert at all. The apps for the V1 come extremely close to keeping your V1 just as quiet as a Pro-M, but in reality it is still alerting, you just don't hear it but you can still see it on phone/detector.
     
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    JBV1 can keep all the lockouts from lighting up the detector itself but still light up for strong signals. Or, just show everything on the phone only.
     
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    Lockouts and BSM filtering are 2 separate things. The V1 with apps automates lockouts and I think has the advantage over the Pro M with manual lockouts. When it comes to BSM filtering, the Radenso is better.
     
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    Agreed to a point. :)
    I'm just trying to elaborate on some info.

    For example:
    You are driving next to a CRV with BSM active. The typical CRV runs in the 24.205+/- range. Boxes on the V1 app can "silence" that alert to the lower ring knob volume (wherever you have it set) and JBV1 can keep the main display dark, and the display on JBV1 can ignore it too.
    Also, there is now directional muting.

    I'm not stating that it's better or worse than the Pro-M. I'm just adding info.

    For the record; I personally do not have my ring volume all the way down and I have JBV1 showing me muted and locked-out signals. But both are possible.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Yes being that if you pair the V1 with V1-Driver you have something called autosnooze. It's similar to automute, but stores the offending signal temporarily so that if it goes and comes because it's immediately muted. Designed to handle annoying BSM. Also with V1-Driver and other apps you can set a "K narrow" range so that any K freq that's outside of this limit is immediately muted. All of these alerts will be muted and you will still get the visual.

    You do need to enable K band muting 3sec so the alert is initially muted. The reason being is the app is telling the V1 to mute after the fact so you'd otherwise get a brief blip of sound, very short.

    The no is that the Pro M can filter out almost all BSM offenders out of the box, has autocity mode, and can do things like K narrow. It's going to be extremely quiet from the factory. The alerts will be filtered by the detector rather than an app so you won't get a sound or visual. The M is the quietest RD available as is that you can buy.


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    I dont have any experience with a ProM but have read about it and others' experiences with it. As stated above, I dont think a V1 with an app is a good choice unless you're an enthusiast. A detector like the Pro M would be suited much better for someone that really just wants to respond to alerts (and not falses). Too much going on with a V1 and and app.
     
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    I disagree strongly. A V1 with V1Driver (or JBV1 maybe, no experience with it as I’m an iOS guy) is perfect for non-enthusiasts. It’s how I have my fiancée set up. She has a long commute with K-band most of the way, both country and city driving, highway and surface streets.

    1. All stationary falses are automatically locked out—and automatically refined over time to be as tight as possible and not cover up real threats.
    2. Arrows tell her where the threat is coming from (including if she passes it).
    3. Sensitivity is good (sufficient to prevent roadside chats anyway) but not alerting to threats 4 roads away.
    4. BSM filtering is very good, not as good as the Pro M, but V1Driver helps address that with auto-snooze.
    The one thing she has to deal with routinely is Ka at an Air Force base entrance. And because of the mount design, she hasn’t gotten used to holding the V1 with two fingers and pressing the mute knob with another to keep it from sliding forward in the mount. That’s about it.

    She’s not a particularly fast driver, but the additional situational awareness helps her really understand when to pay attention and when she can make up some time, and the ONLY time she has to interact with the V1 is when muting a prolonged Ka signal. She NEVER interacts with V1Driver itself. Just set it and forget it.

    Now, that said, if she had to deal with MRCD, well, the Pro M would undoubtedly be chosen instead.
     
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    Look, the OP asked about BSM falsing, not lockouts. I have no disagreement that the V1 with apps does lockouts better than the Pro M, but when it comes to BSM falsing, which again is what the OP asked about, the Pro M is better.
     
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    On another note, I find with Auto City mode, I don't need lockouts near as much as I do with an R3 or V1. It really is an awesome feature of the Pro M.
     
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    I understand what you’re saying. But he didn’t come out and say “in a vacuum which goes the extra mile.” He laid out a more complete scenario. I think for what he’s talking about, refined automatic lockouts and auto-snooze on top of already very good BSM filtering is the better choice. It’s a more complete solution.

    Right now he said he’s started running JBV1. I would recommend he give V1Driver a go for a couple weeks. JBV1 seems to work well if you want a ton of info at all times. But there are a few things where V1Driver simply more sophisticated behind the scenes and has been more refined over time. Definitely sounds better suited to the scenario with his wife.
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    How does Auto City mode not alert to falses while still alerting to real K-band threats?
     
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    In Auto City mode you won't get any alerts below a certain speed. Then between two speeds, for example 30mph-50mph, you can reduce the sensitivity of each band to your liking. Once you hit 50mph, you're in highway mode with full sensitivity on all bands.

    As to the Pro M vs. V1 for "non-enthusiasts", I think the Pro M is a better fit. But I certainly understand the counterargument.
     
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    Oh, yeah, low speed muting is available with either of the apps. Is there any half-way modern detector with GPS that doesn’t offer it?
     
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    The low speed muting isn't the special part. It's the automatic sensitivity settings when you are between certain speeds and then full highway sensitivity once you are above a set speed. I know my R3 can't switch from City mode to highway mode automatically for example.
     
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    It could, I imagine, if they wanted to add it as a new feature in a firmware update. That would be pretty cool.
     
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    I don't agree that JBV1 is for enthusiasts only. Once set up with a dedicated phone you never need to touch it, but it gives even a newbie instant ID of an alert and where it is. Plus, it's quiet when necessary.