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I have SimpliSafe at home and on two rental properties. I don't think I would ever go back to a "wired" alarm system. Changing a battery every 2 to 5 years depending on the sensor and how often that exit is used isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like one is changing all the batteries once a year on 30 window sensors. The main door into the house that we use from the garage into the kitchen needs changed about every two years.
Still a royal pain in the ass compared to never changing batteries at all.

I have a wired + wireless system. All door and window sensors are wired. All motion sensors are wired. The keypad is wired to the control unit, but has wireless capabilities built into it. If I want to put a wireless sensor somewhere it makes sense to have one (like on the shed in the yard), I can do so. But that's only ONE sensor whose battery needs replacing, not 29 doors and windows + 4 motion sensors.
 

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Just a little hydroflouric acid to etch the glass and no problem with glass break detectors. Just dissolve your way in. (You'd better have a hazmat suit as this stuff etches lungs, skin, bones, etc. too)
 

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Let's have an RDF steal-a-thon at hammerdown's house. Goal is to see if we can steal all of his guns and be out of the house before he even gets an alert. Someone's gotta bring heavy equipment just in case some of the guns are in safes that are bolted to the floor.
Just go through the roof. :eek:

That's how they got into a gun store by me with an alarm system and bars on the windows. They never thought about putting in motion detectors.

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Its alright. I got great ins, full replacement and guns and ammo are more than covered... i might come out ahead.

Good luck hocking all that NFA stuff.... :mmmhmm:
I know some guys in East LA or South Chicago that would be happy to take your fun toys off my hands.:)
 

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Just a little hydroflouric acid to etch the glass and no problem with glass break detectors. Just dissolve your way in. (You'd better have a hazmat suit as this stuff etches lungs, skin, bones, etc. too)
Ehh umm if someone got the lic to purchase hydrofluoric acid then they can take my ****. I mean that **** is nasty as ****, it gets through gloves like nothing...it binds to your bones so even few drops of it on the skin will be lethal....worst thing is that you won't know that you have been exposed until days later when symptoms start to manifest themselves....yeah no thank you.

HF Acid and dimethylmercury are two things I was as far away from me as I can get.

"Protective gloves in use at the time of the incident provided insufficient protection, and exposure to only a few drops of the chemical absorbed through the gloves proved to be fatal after less than a year." Case in point is that no one knew that the protective gloves were ineffective....she followed all the correct procedures so it was not her fault...

Wetterhahn's death shocked not only the entire chemistry department at Dartmouth, but also regulatory agencies, as the accidental exposure occurred despite her having taken all required measures known at that time. These included the use of latex gloves, a fume hood, and adherence to standard safety procedures. After Wetterhahn's mercury poisoning was discovered, her colleagues tested various safety gloves against dimethylmercury and found that the small, apolar molecule diffuses through most of them in seconds, much more quickly than expected. As a result, it is now recommended to wear highly resistant, flexible, plastic-laminate gloves when handling dimethylmercury and other similarly dangerous substances. For increased protection, such thin gloves can be worn under long-cuffed, heavy-duty outer gloves made of, for example, neoprene.
Karen Wetterhahn - Wikipedia
 
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Ehh umm if someone got the lic to purchase hydrofluoric acid then they can take my ****. I mean that **** is nasty as ****, it gets through gloves like nothing...it binds to your bones so even few drops of it on the skin will be lethal....worst thing is that you won't know that you have been exposed until days later when symptoms start to manifest themselves....yeah no thank you.

HF Acid and dimethylmercury are two things I was as far away from me as I can get.

"Protective gloves in use at the time of the incident provided insufficient protection, and exposure to only a few drops of the chemical absorbed through the gloves proved to be fatal after less than a year." Case in point is that no one knew that the protective gloves were ineffective....she followed all the correct procedures so it was not her fault...



Karen Wetterhahn - Wikipedia
There was a video about that scientist.

 

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How the proverbial F did this thread turn to HF acid talk? :confused:

You guys kill me.... :rofl:

Ya'll have watched too many Oceans 11,12 ,13, 8, whatever movies.

Criminals who hit houses are the lowest of the low. They smash and grab, your **** is pawned at 1/4th its value for drug money within 24 hrs. They only enter three ways:

1. Kick a door (most preferred, its faster, no shattered glass to deal with, and they cant carry your big screen through most windows.)

2. Break a window with some object. (Crowbar, rock, brick, hammer, *NOT FN HC Acid* :mmmhmm:... usually an item they find nearby as they probably planned on kicking the door but for whatever reason couldnt. They almost never bring tools as most are felons and dont want to get popped by leo for possessing burg implements if they happen to run into him)

3. Go through an unlocked door or window some ding dong left for them.. :ughh:
 
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I have SimpliSafe at home and on two rental properties. I don't think I would ever go back to a "wired" alarm system. Changing a battery every 2 to 5 years depending on the sensor and how often that exit is used isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like one is changing all the batteries once a year on 30 window sensors. The main door into the house that we use from the garage into the kitchen needs changed about every two years. More importantly in my mind is anytime you wish you can make choices and changes you can't with a wired system (I moved one of my keypads three times before I found the place I really like it to be). Plus like the @HeartDoctor said, the extra magnets work great for leaving the windows open in the Sunroom in the Spring and Fall but still having the alarm armed. We even use a magnet right on the sensor for the double french doors out to the Sunroom when we wish to leave them open into the house when the windows are open so the alarm is still able to be set full on.

I was an early buyer of SimpliSafe and helped to work some of the issues out. The new system is even better, and adding Blink to it for live video just makes it that much better without increasing the monthly monitoring fee.
The Honeywell 5819WHS shock sensors last 2+ years on a CR123A batt. I buy a bulk brick for like $25 -30 off ebay every 24 mo. Takes 10 min or less to change them. No biggie. Once the panel gives me a low batt alert on one, i change them all.

How does one go about putting a wired shock on glass anyway? That must be unsightly....
 
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Just go through the roof. :eek:

That's how they got into a gun store by me with an alarm system and bars on the windows. They never thought about putting in motion detectors.
What good does going through the roof do if one has a proper INSIDE alarm system? It does NOTHING!

I do have an entry alarm sensor on both my pull downstairs. But even coming through the roof, no matter what room they come out into the house into, there is a motion sense, glass break sensor, and video camera in both rooms with any valuables waiting for them. So coming through the roof gets them nowhere with a proper alarm system setup IE there are no weak alarm points or why bother having an alarm? My son was going to "save" money by not getting two additional motion sensors and 3 less entry sensors, so I asked why, he said to lower his install cost. I said do you have anything worth more then the cost of those extra sensors in the house, answer yes. Then don't leave ANY holes in your alarm security system! Especially if the cost of those extra sensors is less then your insurance deductible!
 

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What good does going through the roof do if one has a proper INSIDE alarm system? It does NOTHING!

I do have an entry alarm sensor on both my pull downstairs. But even coming through the roof, no matter what room they come out into the house into, there is a motion sense, glass break sensor, and video camera in both rooms with any valuables waiting for them. So coming through the roof gets them nowhere with a proper alarm system setup IE there are no weak alarm points or why bother having an alarm? My son was going to "save" money by not getting two additional motion sensors and 3 less entry sensors, so I asked why, he said to lower his install cost. I said do you have anything worth more then the cost of those extra sensors in the house, answer yes. Then don't leave ANY holes in your alarm security system! Especially if the cost of those extra sensors is less then your insurance deductible!
Well your alarm system has some huge security holes big enough to drive trucks through. A good wireless jammer will put the entire system out of commission, because you didn't do things properly and use wires.



You told your son to not go cheap on the alarm system and I agree with you. But if I were you, I'd seriously follow your own advice and realize that with alarm systems, you get what you pay for. I crawled around up in the attic area for 3 days with a respirator and getting my skin itchy as hell from all of the fiberglass insulation running the 29 wires for the alarm sensors in one of my houses because I didn't want to do wireless, because of the associated problems with it. For my other house, I just paid the alarm company to do the install because I didn't want to deal with it. But whether it's sweat equity or actual money you're paying, you do get what you pay for. If you skimp on the install effort or expense, you end up with a half a** system that's easy to defeat.
 
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As my grandfather told me, "Locks only keep honest people honest, they don't stop determined criminals"

So you did all that crawling for nothing other then a false sense of security because I had a fully wired system, they are useless and very easy to defeat also by cutting the phone line/cable or jamming the cellular backup if the thieves are pros.

I also don't have the old system in the 3 year old video. But more importantly, I never said that SimpliSafe was my only protection/system. It is the easy and main daily part of my security that is for smash & grab, meth heads, and stupid burglars which none are not carrying around jammers. Pros can get around "known" alarm systems (watch the movie Heat about smart thieves) so I let them and anybody that walks up to the house know I have Simplisafe with a yard sign plus window and door stickers. This alone makes all but the idiots and pros immediately move on to find easier pickings. My parent's neighbor has had Ackerman Security yard signs and stickers for 25 years and have never had a burglary, they also have never had an actual alarm system, just the signs! So after a Pro disables that and breaks in, they are in for a rude surprise when the police show up. Alerted by one of my other layers, new technology, old technology, and one is old technology mixed with new technology that is impossible to know about ahead of time that can't be bypassed, cut, jammed, overpowered, or disabled even if a Pro knew what it was and how it worked.

Besides, they have to get in first, without making any noise or drawing attention.

I was burglarized by somebody I knew when I was younger and got my stuff back in the end. But this taught me to never show anybody anything of value in my home. If they don't know I have something to steal or know where I live, one less thing to deal with which just leaves the Pros and I over planned for them so the others don't matter.
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Well your alarm system has some huge security holes big enough to drive trucks through. A good wireless jammer will put the entire system out of commission, because you didn't do things properly and use wires.



You told your son to not go cheap on the alarm system and I agree with you. But if I were you, I'd seriously follow your own advice and realize that with alarm systems, you get what you pay for. I crawled around up in the attic area for 3 days with a respirator and getting my skin itchy as hell from all of the fiberglass insulation running the 29 wires for the alarm sensors in one of my houses because I didn't want to do wireless, because of the associated problems with it. For my other house, I just paid the alarm company to do the install because I didn't want to deal with it. But whether it's sweat equity or actual money you're paying, you do get what you pay for. If you skimp on the install effort or expense, you end up with a half a** system that's easy to defeat.
Hammer: :hmm: (wanting to see stats for # of burgs where jammer was used... :rolleyes: yes, he'll wait.) :mmmhmm:
 

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As my grandfather told me, "Locks only keep honest people honest, they don't stop determined criminals"

So you did all that crawling for nothing other then a false sense of security because I had a fully wired system, they are useless and very easy to defeat also by cutting the phone line/cable or jamming the cellular backup if the thieves are pros.

I also don't have the old system in the 3 year old video. But more importantly, I never said that SimpliSafe was my only protection/system. It is the easy and main daily part of my security that is for smash & grab, meth heads, and stupid burglars which none are not carrying around jammers. Pros can get around "known" alarm systems (watch the movie Heat about smart thieves) so I let them and anybody that walks up to the house know I have Simplisafe with a yard sign plus window and door stickers. This alone makes all but the idiots and pros immediately move on to find easier pickings. My parent's neighbor has had Ackerman Security yard signs and stickers for 25 years and have never had a burglary, they also have never had an actual alarm system, just the signs! So after a Pro disables that and breaks in, they are in for a rude surprise when the police show up. Alerted by one of my other layers, new technology, old technology, and one is old technology mixed with new technology that is impossible to know about ahead of time that can't be bypassed, cut, jammed, overpowered, or disabled even if a Pro knew what it was and how it worked.

Besides, they have to get in first, without making any noise or drawing attention.

I was burglarized by somebody I knew when I was younger and got my stuff back in the end. But this taught me to never show anybody anything of value in my home. If they don't know I have something to steal or know where I live, one less thing to deal with which just leaves the Pros and I over planned for them so the others don't matter.
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The reality is, as i said already, these residential thieves are the lowest of the low, and are lazy as f--k. Otherwise, theyd be hitting banks or casinos, or armored cars.

None of them will have jammers, and 99.99% of them wont screw with a house with an alarm. Why? When Joe Bob next door has no alarm?

Thats why your neighbor's signs have worked.

I display ADT signs because they are well known, but dont have an ADT system. If a thief is gonna attack my system, he will think its an ADT instead of what it really is.... and that may throw him for a loop.
 

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A monitored alarm system will deter 95% of the people thinking of robbing your house. The people using jammers are the professionals that are going for the luxury homes where there is going to be enough merchandise to warrant the risk.

Most police departments put of crime statistics weekly or monthly. Mine has an online color coded pin or dot map showing where all the crime occurred from DUI to burglaries. I'm lucky that I live in a very quiet extremely low crime area.
 

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What good does going through the roof do if one has a proper INSIDE alarm system? It does NOTHING!

I do have an entry alarm sensor on both my pull downstairs. But even coming through the roof, no matter what room they come out into the house into, there is a motion sense, glass break sensor, and video camera in both rooms with any valuables waiting for them. So coming through the roof gets them nowhere with a proper alarm system setup IE there are no weak alarm points or why bother having an alarm? My son was going to "save" money by not getting two additional motion sensors and 3 less entry sensors, so I asked why, he said to lower his install cost. I said do you have anything worth more then the cost of those extra sensors in the house, answer yes. Then don't leave ANY holes in your alarm security system! Especially if the cost of those extra sensors is less then your insurance deductible!
So you're that one in a million home owner that put in the most elaborate and effective alarm system you can have.
99% of American homes don't have anything close to what you have protecting your home.
 

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I personally hate wireless alarm systems soo easy to jam and soo many false alarms. I started in the 90's with the X10's (yeah I know...remember the spam?!) then I tried the 2.4ghz ones (Wifi) but I could jam it easily....listen for a chanel even a with a freaking phone...pick it up...set your moded router/transmitter to that channel and just direct the traffic via yagi antenna in a Pringle can that was the 2001 ways of jamming Wifi traffic...so freaking easy....and no if you are breaking into a house you don't give a flying crap about FCC and using 5 Watts on 2.4+ Ghz system. :) The Wifi SNR goes to crap since the Background is soo high above Signal that you the wifi system just will give up...and to break into the house is what 20 seconds that you need? Like 1 second for the door and few more seconds to locate the motion detection sensors and spray them with paint?
 
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