Question about home alarm system-no landline

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  1. tempnexus

    tempnexus City 17 Rep General User Premium Member

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    Keep the door and add 3m 3mil anti breakin film.

    I self installed it in my rental here....since it has huge front bay windows....the doors were the least of our problem.





     
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    I imagine she is still paying for service to the security monitoring company -- that said -- is she under contract to continue with them? If not, then as others have stated above, you could look into the options of replacing the controller with a DIY WiFi and or WiFi + Cellular alarm controller. Possibly keep the existing sensors in place and only switch out the control box, ultimately ending up with the results you want.
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    I'd be interested -- as long as I didn't end up trapping myself inside with regards to escaping in an emergency. Just be aware that wherever you place it doesn't need to be a backup escape route; ie you have another way to exit and or could open the glass door if ever needed to escape an overtaking fire from inside.
     
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    Well considering that door windows are small enough to be arm only and considering that you have front and back door then no. Any security that this adds does not reduce from your escape options....uNess your escape option was running John McClain style out of your living room window with a house explosion happening slow motion behind you.
     
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    Ring recently added a home security set up to it's line... $10 a month or $100 a year it connects over the internet but has a cellular back up... I am tempted to convert myself as I already pay the $100 a year for unlimited cameras and I can add the alarm at no extra fee's....When I converted my alarm from landline to cellular my monitoring went from $22 to $42 a month... I too would much rather be able to have the alarm call me instead though.... In 15 years I have had numerous false alarms and very delayed responses....
     
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    SimpliSafe might be a good option. No contracts. Option to have it monitored or not. Option to have it notify your cell phone. Self-installed. Uses a cellular card within the 'brain' of the unit, no need for an external device nor landline. Lots of monitoring options -- motion, entry, Carbon monoxide, fire, water sensor, temperature sensor (good for rental or vacation homes), etc.
     
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    This is exactly why I don't like Ring, they want a permanent revenue stream off you to have an active system.

    Buying and installing a Security System from SimpliSafe and adding Blink security cameras is the way to go in my opinion. You pay for the Blink security camera and there are no other expenses. They are adding a Ring type doorbell camera next month again with no monthly fees. Combining SimpliSafe with Blink gives one complete access and coverage.
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  7. Andrew21

    Andrew21 "All Blade, All The Time" Administrator Advanced User Premium Member

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    Going off topic for a bit, do you like Simplisafe? Are most of their sensors wireless? I hate the fact that I have to change batteries in system which I prefer to be wired up instead. How do you like it personally? I'm thinking of a home alarm but not sure which one to go with
     
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    Not exactly on topic but a great trick is to install a second magnet allowing a sliding door or window to be opened 4-6 inches and the alarm set. If anyone moves the door or window it will alarm. This would allow for ventilation or for a pet to enter and exit while still protecting from a burglar. Alarm magnets are virtually free and are self-stick so the cost and work are negligible.
     
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    My monitored system is $39.95 a month and hasn't changed for the last eight years. My system uses both Cell and Landline. The landline is the back up system. If it doesn't get a signal on the cell network it goes to the landline and dials out.

    Almost all monitored systems pretty much work the same way.
     
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    From what I read, the individual is looking to do away with a landline, as it seems cost savings is the goal, so assuming not looking to change their existing alarm system/setup.

    Have they looked at Ooma? [VOIP]. You can get a referbished unit on Amazon typically ~$60. You can port your old # over if you choose (one-time fee) and then use Ooma as your service provider. You just pay for the local taxes (figure <$10/month). The set-up is similiar to Vonage, but taxes are the only fees, unless you decided to pay for premium add-ons. The Ooma base can be “backfed” into the house - disconnect the external line fron the street, and all phone jacks in the house should still work, including the alarm monitoring. I had Ooma all set-up, then my existing cable company gave me a hard time about porting my # out, and magically when I called in they were able to offer my phone for $10/month with a discount on my Internet for bundling. That said I can’t speak to the realibility of Ooma, but during my trial period when I had it hooked up it work just as a phone should. Nothing too fancy to setup, and no need to buy additional hardware for the alarm, or pay a higher monitoring fee for using wireless/cellular. (In my case my alarm company charges more for non-landline/VOIP monitoring).

    Yes, I agree with others Cellular Monitoring is the way to go, as there are no lines to cut, and typically a battery backup, however I’ve found that to be larger upfront investment + higher monitoring fees in my case.
     
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    hammerdown No half measures.... Advanced User

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    Mine is wifi. Honeywell lynx touch 5200. You do have to order and install the wifi module which was about $20 and took 5 seconds to pop off the panel and plug into the board. Then i use alarmgrid.com for monitoring. I pay $15/ mo for Total Connect 2.0, no contract, cancel anytime. It pushes alerts to my phone if alarm goes off. Ill know if its a false or not. If i need the cops to checkit out, ill call them myself. With the app, i can arm / disarm anywhere, see alerts, and with the included z-wave module control lights, door locks, and more. I dont have a landline phone at all and my DSL provider puts a power backup on the internet so its still up for several hours if there is a blackout. I have my router on a UPS too thatll run it for a few hours easy. Alarm panel has a 10hr backup batt built in.

    Oh, and you cant cut my lines. When i built the house i ran conduit under the stem wall and then had the phone company / dsl provider run the phone and dsl lines through the conduit before we poured the pad. Youd have to find the underground by the street and dig 36 inches down, as the rest of the lines are under the driveway and parking pad all the way to the house wher the conduit comes up inside a wall in the 3rd car bay. Everything is mounted on the wall in the garage. ;)

    The only thing outside they can mess with is the electric meter.... and they best know what they be doing as its 300 amp service. :mmmhmm: even then, its all on batt backups.
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    Yup. I did that too. Every door and window. Doors are also reinforced and a honeywell 5819WHS shock sensor is on every door / window. First kick or hit with a hammer triggers the alarm...and you still havent made entry yet. I leave the alarm set 24/7 365 too since i use only shocks and glassbreaks. No motions or switches. I set the jumper pins on both doors for 3 hits before it goes off so you can open / shut them without setting off alarm. Never have to disarm it and ive had only a few falses from kids hitting a window with a toy or sonething. ;)
     
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    thanks for all the fish Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    @hammerdown I liked it until I read the last two lines:

    So what if someone RAMS that front door on the first try? Do they deserve the contents of your house :eek:
     
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    So here's what I've learned about how to rob @hammerdown's house:

    1. Rob his house when he's on a plane -- he won't even get the alerts in real time
    2. Rob his house by bashing down the door with a battering ram. Make sure you get through in a single hit.
    3. Use a wifi jammer. You may not be able to cut his lines, since they're so far underground, but by jamming all WiFi, the sensors won't be able to communicate with the main unit. Nor will the main unit even be able to send an alert.
     
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    hammerdown No half measures.... Advanced User

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    Front door is custom solid steel. Cost me $3500.00. Theyll have to ram it with a 1 ton truck... :mmmhmm:

    Back door just as strong. You arent kicking in my doors... no way. Kick them all you want.

    I have toyed with adding some motions as backups to set in AWAY mode for like now, when im 4 states away, but motions false alot and theyd be overkill.... i donno....
     
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    Then @hammerdown has a pot of gold that nobody knows except for the thief LOL
     
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    hammerdown No half measures.... Advanced User

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    And the average methhead who would try to burg my house is:

    A. Gonna know all that about my house. I could have cellular for all he knows or landline. He is likely going to be making laps around my house going "WTF?" :confused: when he cant find any phone / net equipment.

    B. Have sophisticated **** like jammers...

    Have you ever met a meth head? The are as simplistic as a cave man....

    There are also other security measures in place i wont disclose that will deter 99% of thieves when they try to even cross my property. Some things need to be secret and things like spike pits are techically "illegal" :airquote:
    :p
     
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    Let's have an RDF steal-a-thon at hammerdown's house. Goal is to see if we can steal all of his guns and be out of the house before he even gets an alert. Someone's gotta bring heavy equipment just in case some of the guns are in safes that are bolted to the floor.
     
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    I have SimpliSafe at home and on two rental properties. I don't think I would ever go back to a "wired" alarm system. Changing a battery every 2 to 5 years depending on the sensor and how often that exit is used isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like one is changing all the batteries once a year on 30 window sensors. The main door into the house that we use from the garage into the kitchen needs changed about every two years. More importantly in my mind is anytime you wish you can make choices and changes you can't with a wired system (I moved one of my keypads three times before I found the place I really like it to be). Plus like the @HeartDoctor said, the extra magnets work great for leaving the windows open in the Sunroom in the Spring and Fall but still having the alarm armed. We even use a magnet right on the sensor for the double french doors out to the Sunroom when we wish to leave them open into the house when the windows are open so the alarm is still able to be set full on.

    I was an early buyer of SimpliSafe and helped to work some of the issues out. The new system is even better, and adding Blink to it for live video just makes it that much better without increasing the monthly monitoring fee.
     
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    hammerdown No half measures.... Advanced User

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    Its alright. I got great ins, full replacement and guns and ammo are more than covered... i might come out ahead.

    Good luck hocking all that NFA stuff.... :mmmhmm:
     
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    thanks for all the fish Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    Does dog sh!t in the yard count?

    change of plans:

    1) Use 1 ton to ram front or rear door.
    2) walk inside and say "Alexa, where does Hammer hide his guns?"
    3) .....
     
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